The Mysoreans who won Battle of Haifa,paved way for creation of Israel.

[Indischer]

these same "mysoreans" were involved in an earlier crime... invasion of the fort of tipu sultan in 1799. it took five militaries to overcome the might of the tiger... what say you, @wolfschanzze ??

"mysoreans"... puppets of the britishers then, puppets of the britishers now.



western bloc invasion of north korea, 1950 == invaders were the usa, south korea and their allies in the united nations of america. how many invading militaries?? and yet, north korea survived and became stronger.

western bloc invasion of iraq, 1990 == invaders were 34 militaries. iraq survived.

western bloc invasion of iraq, 2003 == invaders were militaries of nato. iraq socialist government overthrown. but baath movement resistance continues.

western bloc invasion of libyan socialist jamahiriya, 2011 == invaders were 35+ militaries of nato and allies, plus al qaeda, taliban, al-qaeda, taliban, jemah islamiya, ikhwaan ul muslimoon, hamas, hezbollah, al shabaab. jamahiriya government overthrow. but jamahiri resistance continues.

western bloc invasion of syria, 2011 == invaders were special forces of nato and allies, and al qaeda, taliban, jemah islamiya, ikhwaan ul muslimoon, hamas. but the syrian arab army fights on.



i don't want secular countries. i want a socialist world.

Any proof to show that 'Mysoreans' were part of the British coalition that fought the Anglo-Mysore wars?

Plus, your other narratives are rather one-sided. China and USSR, who had a land border with North Korea were both allied with it. So who found it difficult to wage a war in Korea, the US or China?

Saddam was spared during the first Gulf War exactly to prevent Iraq's slide into chaos as there was no No2 to replace him. Sadly, Dubya Bush Jr didn't have the wisdom that his father had. And what Baathist resistence are you talking about? Is ISIS Islamist or Socialist?

 

[wolfschanzze]

If they can make wrong decisions in 1857 and get their own country to be occupied by British then they can certainly do other blunders too

BTW you called war of 1857 "REVOLT of 1857" and not "INDIAN FREEDOM WAR". Just goes to show how you think about your own FREEDOM WAR

That is what is taught in text books which were written by left intellectuals, which i said earlier needs to be changed to show correct version of history.
it is taught as Revolt of 1857 in book not Indian Freedom war.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

They were shooting people just on the rumors of pig fat and beef fat.

It wasn't only rumors that made them do it, there were alot of other factors too.

FREEDOM FIGHTERS OF INDIA aka MUTINEERS helped in gaining INDIAN INDEPENDENCE OF 1856-1857.

Some part of India gained Independence from 1856 till 1857. But Indian soldiers in British Army crushed INDIAN INDEPENDENCE OF 1856-1857

That is what is taught in text books which were written by left intellectuals, which i said earlier needs to be changed to show correct version of history.
it is taught as Revolt of 1857 in book not Indian Freedom war.

I dont get it can you please elaborate.

 

[jamahir]

Didn't Tipu bite the dust or not?

what a way to talk about one of history's greatest leaders.

Mysoreans puppets of british" NOW" ?

i won't reply to this.

Iraq war was a one way street,Iraqi army left thier tanks and ran when Nato was bombing them,

when was this?? during the horrific bombing by nato planes on the iraqi convoy as it retreated from kuwait?? can you please google for those pictures.

Thet met their objectives in war and left.

see at the below replies to indischer.

Any proof to show that 'Mysoreans' were part of the British coalition that fought the Anglo-Mysore wars?

if you mean the wodeyar family, then yes, they were involved, along with the coorg contingent. i can't post links yet and i am sleepy. so you must check this yourself.

Plus, your other narratives are rather one-sided. China and USSR, who had a land border with North Korea were both allied with it. So who found it difficult to wage a war in Korea, the US or China?

the democratic people's republic of korea ( north korea ) lost four million people in the 1950-53 war with most or all of their cities bombed out. and yet north korea survived the western invasion, of course with help of china and the soviet union.

"found it difficult to wage war in korea" is not a valid point. north korea remained socialist despite so many western militaries attacking. so who found it difficult to subdue whom??

Saddam was spared during the first Gulf War

"spared"?? what a unthinking and cruel way you put this. saddam wasn't a slave of the western nations unlike the gulf kings, the brunei king and so on. so "spared" is not the word here.

exactly to prevent Iraq's slide into chaos as there was no No2 to replace him.

the western bloc didn't have the courage to fight the iraqi army which remained strong after fighting eight years against khomenei's iran, which had been helped massively by the western nations and israel.

the western bloc didn't have the courage to fight the iraqi army which had fired rockets into israel and saudia to make those two slide the world into world war.

And what Baathist resistence are you talking about? Is ISIS Islamist or Socialist?

and who is izzat ibrahim al douri, one of the "most wanted" faces on the usa government's "deck of cards"??

is he baathi or al qaeda??

Islamist

any true muslim socialist is automatically "islamist". true islam was the first practical socialist revolution. so iqbal was islamist, nasser was islamist, faiz was islamist, muammar was islamist, saddam was islamist... and i, a socialist, am islamist too.

Nato came to Afghanisthan ousted taliban

nato proxies ( wahabbi, deobandi, ayotollai ) came to afghanistan in the 1980's, waged terrorist war, killed the last free afghan president, najibullah, which allowed nato to place one proxy, the taliban, into power.

taliban are good suppliers of opium to nato commanders, and through them to the world.

taliban are good suppliers of fighters to nato when nato wants to invade or destablilize muslim socialist or socialistic societies.

The future of world is Capitalist.

you say this in a post-2007-crash post-occupy post-outsourcing anglo economic space.

you say this in a crashed southern and northern european economic space.

you say this sitting in a india where first the medical transcription industry died out, then the call centre industry is almost dead, the bpo industry is almost dead, and now the software industry is half dead. oh, well...

 

[Tshering22]

Wow. No wonder even the Mahasabha was interested in cultivating ties with Israel ages ago.

And to those Pakistanis here claiming that Indian soldiers were serving their masters please remember, you were also a part of the same army.

Remember that 'martial race' bullshit that the British created by forming groups of path and? They were you guys. Not afghans or some other countries.

 

[wolfschanzze]

what a way to talk about one of history's greatest leaders.



i won't reply to this.



when was this?? during the horrific bombing by nato planes on the iraqi convoy as it retreated from kuwait?? can you please google for those pictures.



see at the below replies to indischer.



if you mean the wodeyar family, then yes, they were involved, along with the coorg contingent. i can't post links yet and i am sleepy. so you must check this yourself.



the democratic people's republic of korea ( north korea ) lost four million people in the 1950-53 war with most or all of their cities bombed out. and yet north korea survived the western invasion, of course with help of china and the soviet union.

"found it difficult to wage war in korea" is not a valid point. north korea remained socialist despite so many western militaries attacking. so who found it difficult to subdue whom??



"spared"?? what a unthinking and cruel way you put this. saddam wasn't a slave of the western nations unlike the gulf kings, the brunei king and so on. so "spared" is not the word here.



the western bloc didn't have the courage to fight the iraqi army which remained strong after fighting eight years against khomenei's iran, which had been helped massively by the western nations and israel.

the western bloc didn't have the courage to fight the iraqi army which had fired rockets into israel and saudia to make those two slide the world into world war.



and who is izzat ibrahim al douri, one of the "most wanted" faces on the usa government's "deck of cards"??

is he baathi or al qaeda??



any true muslim socialist is automatically "islamist". true islam was the first practical socialist revolution. so iqbal was islamist, nasser was islamist, faiz was islamist, muammar was islamist, saddam was islamist... and i, a socialist, am islamist too.



nato proxies ( wahabbi, deobandi, ayotollai ) came to afghanistan in the 1980's, waged terrorist war, killed the last free afghan president, najibullah, which allowed nato to place one proxy, the taliban, into power.

taliban are good suppliers of opium to nato commanders, and through them to the world.

taliban are good suppliers of fighters to nato when nato wants to invade or destablilize muslim socialist or socialistic societies.



you say this in a post-2007-crash post-occupy post-outsourcing anglo economic space.

you say this in a crashed southern and northern european economic space.

you say this sitting in a india where first the medical transcription industry died out, then the call centre industry is almost dead, the bpo industry is almost dead, and now the software industry is half dead. oh, well...

History's greatest leaders? he was genocidal maniac and bigot who killed and ethnically cleansed hindus and christians in India..

GUlf war was the first time we saw TV rockets hitting bunkers with precision, Everyone knew Saddams brave warriors had heavy casualties and they simply left their posts and surrendered in masses.
Retreating convoy or whatever, the first part of objective was to remove iraqi forces from kuwait and then take the fight to the enemy.

1. There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.
2. It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war that can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on. --Sun tzu

Nato did what it had to in afghanisthan and got its objectives.Likewise, we did the same in 1971 war with pakistan,India achieved it's targets and left after creation of Bangladesh.
It is known medical transcription is a short term job,so are call centers, companies move to nations where they can generate profit. only a fool would think these to be permanent ..
IT on the other hand has a lot of life, as long as disruptive technologies are created.The field will run.
Business runs on profit not social handouts .
Even China embraced capitalism and shunned socialist policies and therefore you see the rise of china.
india's Development came after 90's when it discarded socialist ideology that was plaguing indias growth and thereby took off in a big way.

 

[INDIC]

valid point.

but just imagine if the mutineers would have won.

They were shooting people just on the rumors of pig fat and beef fat.

Briish India would have turned into a large Afghanistan.

So sometimes we have to be careful in asking for something. But if we get it, it could have been pretty bad.


Anyways that is just :if then: history game that never gets to anything.


hope you understand.

Are you supporting the British rule.

what a way to talk about one of history's greatest leaders.

Tipu Sultan was a mass murderer of Hindus and Christians, destroyer of numerous temples in Malabar and killed thousands of Konkani speaking Catholics in captivity, I don't need to find greatness in him if he fought with British.

 

[third eye]

It wasn't only rumors that made them do it, there were alot of other factors too.

FREEDOM FIGHTERS OF INDIA aka MUTINEERS helped in gaining INDIAN INDEPENDENCE OF 1856-1857.

Some part of India gained Independence from 1856 till 1857. But Indian soldiers in British Army crushed INDIAN INDEPENDENCE OF 1856-1857

For the record, in 1857 the only areas where local troops did not mutiny from were those in the area now called Pakistan.

Old regiments whose efforts helped quell the mutiny were raised in what now is Pakistan - Guides Cavalry , Hodson's horse to name a few.

 

[ephone]

Israel has the british empire to thank for its creation. There was no india then and those are simply british's subjects.

Without the british empire, there is absolutely no way Israel would have been created.

Without the british empire, we would not have most of the conflicts today either:
e.g.
China vs India
India vs Pakistan
Afghanistan problem
Jews vs Palestinians
African's internal conflicts over many countries
.....

It would be incorrect to attribute the feat to Mysoreans alone. The 15th (Imperial Service) Cavalry Brigade consisting of three famous state forces cavalry regiments, the Hyderabad State Lancers, Mysore State Lancers and the Jodhpur State Lancers, formed a part of the 5th Cavalry Division of the reconstituted desert mounted Corps, component of the Alwar and Kashmir Imperial Service Lancer and were attached to the Jodhpur and Mysore Lancers.

These units post independence amalgamated to form 61 Cavalry - the only horsed Cavalry regiment in the world that still exists today.

Indian soldiers lauded in Israeli textbooks for freeing Haifa city : Rest of the World, News - India Today
Indian soldiers lauded in Israeli textbooks for freeing Haifa city

While remaining unknown in their own country, some Indian soldiers will become household names in Haifa in northern Israel after figuring in the history textbooks taught at schools for their contribution in liberating this city in 1918.

The municipality of Haifa has gone ahead with its decision to immortalise the sacrifices made by Indian soldiers, many of whom are buried in the cemetery there, by including the stories of their valiant efforts in liberating the coastal city during the First World War in the school curricula as part of the history textbooks.

"The move is a part of Haifa municipalities efforts to preserve the city's history and heritage," Hedva Almog, deputy Mayor of Haifa told people gathered to pay respects to Indian soldiers who made ultimate sacrifice in the war to liberate the city.

Haifa Historical Society has done an extensive research on the role of the Indian army in the region.

As per their findings, a large number of Indian soldiers sacrificed their lives in this region during the First World War and nearly 900 are cremated or buried in cemeteries across Israel.

Almog said that the municipality is planning big centenary celebrations to commemorate the event in 2018, calling upon India to join hands in making it a success.

Charge de Affaires at the Indian mission in Tel Aviv, Vani Rao, reacted positively to the request extending support in organising the Centenary celebrations.

The Indian army commemorates September 23rd every year as Haifa Day, to pay its respects to the two brave Indian Cavalry Regiments that helped liberate the city in 1918 following a dashing cavalry action by the 15th Imperial Service Cavalry Brigade.

Residents of the Israeli city also celebrate Haifa Day the same day with a series of cultural programmes during the week.

In the autumn of 1918, the Indian Brigade was a part of the Allied Forces sweeping northwards through Palestine in what is seen as the last great cavalry campaign in history.

"No more remarkable cavalry action of its scale was fought in the whole course of the campaign. Machine gun bullets over and over again failed to stop the galloping horses even though many of them succumbed afterwards to their injuries", is how the Official History of the War (Military operation Egypt and Palestine: volume 2) describes the Indian troops bravery.

Captain Aman Singh Bahadur and Dafadar Jor Singh were awarded the Indian Order of Merit (IOM) and Captain Anop Singh and 2nd Lt Sagat Singh were awarded the Military Cross (MC) as recognition for their bravery in this battle.

Major Dalpat Singh (MC) is known in the annals of history as the 'Hero of Haifa' for his critical role in the Liberation of the city.

He was awarded a military cross for his bravery.

The municipality of Haifa also announced to organise a ceremony every year to commemorate the role of the Indian army in liberating the city from Turks after almost 402 years.

Read more at: Indian soldiers lauded in Israeli textbooks for freeing Haifa city : Rest of the World, News - India Today

 

[FaujHistorian]

Are you supporting the British rule.

.

Just reviewing military outcomes and impact on civilians.

I cannot "support" or "go against" something that happened long long long time ago.

Just use to learn military lessons.

 

[INDIC]

Just reviewing military outcomes and impact on civilians.

I cannot "support" or "go against" something that happened long long long time ago.

Just use to learn military lessons.

That was very bizarre and you know the cost of economic exploitation of India by British.

 

[FaujHistorian]

That was very bizarre and you know the cost of economic exploitation of India by British.

military history is just that. History.

 

[third eye]

Israel has he british empire to thank for its creation. There was no india then and those are simply british's subjects.

Without the british empire, there is absolutely no way Israel would have been created.

Without the british empire, we would not have most of the conflicts today either:
e.g.
China vs India
India vs Pakistan
Afghanistan problem
Jews vs Palestinians
African's internal conflicts over many countries
.....

A correct assessment

 

[jamahir]

he was genocidal maniac and bigot who killed and ethnically cleansed hindus and christians in India..

Tipu Sultan was a mass murderer of Hindus and Christians

and yet in 2014, there are more hindu males in south india and central india ( tipu's range of influence ) than the entire population of usa. some genocide it was.

christians?? what was napoleon bonaparte?? his french army were allies of tipu sultan, yes?? fine, napoleon was a revolutionary and also interested in islam but he and his french army in india remained christians.

so anti-tipu people should stop using "tipu was mass murderer" and stop hiding and deviating their part in his death and stop hiding their part in helping the britishers remain in south asia.

destroyer of numerous temples in Malabar

destroyer of temples?? i don't care about most muslim mosques. to care would be to be a idolator. in islam, there is no such thing called "house of god". there is no such thing called "priest". to have so would be idolatry. in fact, most mosques in the world have to be demolished. it is the mosque culture that has corrupted modern muslims.

so why should i care about how many temples were destroyed??

1. There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.
2. It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war that can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on. --Sun tzu

those two points are contradictory. and the usa arms industry knows about such profits...

It is known medical transcription is a short term job,so are call centers, companies move to nations where they can generate profit. only a fool would think these to be permanent ..

please bear with the below long explanation.

medical transcription is finished because american citizens demanded an end to the unnecessarily complicated nature of the american medical system which believed in (a). putting earnings of doctors and hospitals above the life of humans, (b). making the medical system highly bureaucratic with silly documents and standards. but the demand of the citizens made even the very india-friendly obama to initiate changes. and then the effects of the occupy movement also had great effect. the occupy movement's demands included making medical system give free treatment. the effect was closure of indian medical transcription companies which had for years benefited from the injustices of the american system. the employees of these indian companies never cared for the sufferings of the american citizens, but rather looked at caring only for themselves and their mother and father.

same goes for closure of other indian companies in "legal process outsourcing" ( such a stupid concept ), "knowledge process outsourcing" ( what does it mean anyway?? ), "banking process outsourcing" ( capitalist banks had losses ) etc

huge call centres for technological products existed because of non-reliable and complicated nature of techno products ( like computers ). the idea should have been to make products reliable, simple and long lasting. so it seems stupid that techno products had outsourced call centres. and there was the issue of language problems and cultural differences. so the call centres left india.

and why should british rail train timings be told by a someone sitting in a call centre in madraa ( india ), and who speaks under the name "stuart" when his real name is"suresh" and speaks with a heavy south indian accent?? which genius thought up of this?? so again, the call centres left india.

much of the services and computer industry is unnecessary. so when the anglo economies failed in 2007, company managements in western economies wanted to save their companies by saving money and that they did by removing unnecessary people and unnecessary projects ( or presences ). so hewlett packard is removing 50 thousand people, ibm is removing thousands, carrefour is pulling out of india...

there are other issues as well.

and yet, such companies always thought they would be there forever. the employees thought their jobs were permanent. they were being foolish.

now what i wrote above, i knew years back would happen, because i am socialist. no mba in the world could predict that. and that is why hundreds of mba colleges in india have shut down. they can now eat their delicious mba degrees.

IT on the other hand has a lot of life

it is "computing" which has lot of life. but the "information technology" industry is finished. the "software engineer" is a dying species.

, as long as disruptive technologies are created

i am sick and tired of the word "disruptive", and of other corporate buzz words like "holistic", "knowledge economy", "cloud computing", "cost to company", "competitive advantage", "multiple skill set", 'rationalization"...

lookey herey... ( bullshitbingo dot net/cards/bullshit/ )

Business runs on profit not social handouts .

and that is why, from jesus to occupy movement, they all worked against callous profit-oriented business because it is the enemy of humanity.

socialism is eternal.

india's Development came after 90's when it discarded socialist ideology

india was socialist?? when?? i must have been living on mars to not know that. so gandhi, vallabh bhai patel, shastri, nehru... were all socialists. thank you for that enlightenment. and i being a socialist myself didn't know that. shocking, i say.

so mao must have been drugged when he said... "nehru is the messenger of capitalists".

india's Development came after 90's

and development for you means?? cell phones?? motorcycles?? useless flyovers?? useless colleges?? useless offices?? more weapons?? more dogs?? more dowry?? more honor killing?? more female infanticide?? more stupid poor people taking interest-based loans to arrange weddings and pilgrimages?? more pollution contribution to the world?? more...

remember, no talk about the it-bt-shitty industry, which is now finished. no development to be found there.

so what development, please??

that was plaguing indias growth

if by "growth" you mean economically...

maybe 2.5 million socialist libyans created one of the most economically comfortable societies in ten years of independence, and one billion capitalist indian brains have created what exactly in 71 years?? i am not being racist here, just a common sense question.

 

[wolfschanzze]

and yet in 2014, there are more hindu males in south india and central india ( tipu's range of influence ) than the entire population of usa. some genocide it was.

christians?? what was napoleon bonaparte?? his french army were allies of tipu sultan, yes?? fine, napoleon was a revolutionary and also interested in islam but he and his french army in india remained christians.

so anti-tipu people should stop using "tipu was mass murderer" and stop hiding and deviating their part in his death and stop hiding their part in helping the britishers remain in south asia.



destroyer of temples?? i don't care about most muslim mosques. to care would be to be a idolator. in islam, there is no such thing called "house of god". there is no such thing called "priest". to have so would be idolatry. in fact, most mosques in the world have to be demolished. it is the mosque culture that has corrupted modern muslims.

so why should i care about how many temples were destroyed??



those two points are contradictory. and the usa arms industry knows about such profits...



please bear with the below long explanation.

medical transcription is finished because american citizens demanded an end to the unnecessarily complicated nature of the american medical system which believed in (a). putting earnings of doctors and hospitals above the life of humans, (b). making the medical system highly bureaucratic with silly documents and standards. but the demand of the citizens made even the very india-friendly obama to initiate changes. and then the effects of the occupy movement also had great effect. the occupy movement's demands included making medical system give free treatment. the effect was closure of indian medical transcription companies which had for years benefited from the injustices of the american system. the employees of these indian companies never cared for the sufferings of the american citizens, but rather looked at caring only for themselves and their mother and father.

same goes for closure of other indian companies in "legal process outsourcing" ( such a stupid concept ), "knowledge process outsourcing" ( what does it mean anyway?? ), "banking process outsourcing" ( capitalist banks had losses ) etc

huge call centres for technological products existed because of non-reliable and complicated nature of techno products ( like computers ). the idea should have been to make products reliable, simple and long lasting. so it seems stupid that techno products had outsourced call centres. and there was the issue of language problems and cultural differences. so the call centres left india.

and why should british rail train timings be told by a someone sitting in a call centre in madraa ( india ), and who speaks under the name "stuart" when his real name is"suresh" and speaks with a heavy south indian accent?? which genius thought up of this?? so again, the call centres left india.

much of the services and computer industry is unnecessary. so when the anglo economies failed in 2007, company managements in western economies wanted to save their companies by saving money and that they did by removing unnecessary people and unnecessary projects ( or presences ). so hewlett packard is removing 50 thousand people, ibm is removing thousands, carrefour is pulling out of india...

there are other issues as well.

and yet, such companies always thought they would be there forever. the employees thought their jobs were permanent. they were being foolish.

now what i wrote above, i knew years back would happen, because i am socialist. no mba in the world could predict that. and that is why hundreds of mba colleges in india have shut down. they can now eat their delicious mba degrees.



it is "computing" which has lot of life. but the "information technology" industry is finished. the "software engineer" is a dying species.



i am sick and tired of the word "disruptive", and of other corporate buzz words like "holistic", "knowledge economy", "cloud computing", "cost to company", "competitive advantage", "multiple skill set", 'rationalization"...

lookey herey... ( bullshitbingo dot net/cards/bullshit/ )



and that is why, from jesus to occupy movement, they all worked against callous profit-oriented business because it is the enemy of humanity.

socialism is eternal.



india was socialist?? when?? i must have been living on mars to not know that. so gandhi, vallabh bhai patel, shastri, nehru... were all socialists. thank you for that enlightenment. and i being a socialist myself didn't know that. shocking, i say.

so mao must have been drugged when he said... "nehru is the messenger of capitalists".



and development for you means?? cell phones?? motorcycles?? useless flyovers?? useless colleges?? useless offices?? more weapons?? more dogs?? more dowry?? more honor killing?? more female infanticide?? more stupid poor people taking interest-based loans to arrange weddings and pilgrimages?? more pollution contribution to the world?? more...

remember, no talk about the it-bt-shitty industry, which is now finished. no development to be found there.

so what development, please??



if by "growth" you mean economically...

maybe 2.5 million socialist libyans created one of the most economically comfortable societies in ten years of independence, and one billion capitalist indian brains have created what exactly in 71 years?? i am not being racist here, just a common sense question.

Did you even read the history of tipu and what his french officers had to say about his killing catholic christians and hindus?TIPU was a genocidal maniac who killed hindus and christians,he is no great figure nor an patriot, those who consider him as great are in pakistan.

Next time dont cry like a bi*ch when we build our temple in ayodhya.Nor should you care when we remove the other mosques and rebuild our temples.

First of all
indian government gave a lot of handouts, reservations to people.If you dont call them socialist policies then i dont know what will.You should refuse reservations and other handouts, if you consider India didnt have socialist policies.

I dont understand your IT lingo nor am i associated with it, so your post about (LOOK HERE/BINGO)is a total waste.

Mao said a lot of thing and tried the "Great lead forward" which ended up in famine and killed millions and eventually china dumped those socialist policies and took the capitalist route.Now china is more capitalist than USA is.

Yes development is exactly that, if i can live comfortably and happily with.If you don't consider cellphones, roads, flyovers as development then you should stop using that and go live in a cave.
Female foeticide and etc. happen in non-developed areas and illiterates.Therefore development raises your HDI.

What noteworthy did the libyans create that people remember of?If not for their Oilfields they would be another sub-saharan nation living in bedouin tents with camels and fighting tribal wars in desert.Once the world shifts to green energy all these Middle east nations will go bankrupt as they have no other thing except oil.
Only a fool would say what did India create in past 71 years,look around and see what we created our nation is secure, Nukes,Internet,quality of life increased,we will be the second largest economy in 2040.