The Mongol Destruction of Baghdad

[PakFactor]

LOL... Europeans lost completely to Saladin and therefore would like to think their defeater is the most powerful.

The Europeans didn't lose to Saladin; they had a truce for three years called the Ramla Agreement, also called The Treaty of Jaffa. The purpose of this treaty was for the Muslim sides to replenish as they were exhausted, and King Richard had to run back to consolidate power as he was being challenged for the throne. During this time, the Crusaders captured and established the Kingdom of Cyprus; once they consolidated, they launched the Fourth Crusade, which expanded the crusader states' territory inland into Muslim areas.

 

[PakFactor]

This.

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Mongols were most potent in combat situations under Genghis Khan. Their ability to fight a war varied across regions subject to availability of leadership, resources and circumstances. They had subjugated multiple civilizations by the time they reached Egypt in 1260.

Hulagu Khan - the man credited for defeating Abbasid Caliphate across Iraq, Syria and Palestine - had to return to Mongolia due to death of Möngke Khan and could not partake in war with Mamluks in Egypt.

The death of the Great Khan​

However, the power dynamic changed when the Great Khan died in an expedition to China, and Hulagu had to return back home to decide who would be the next Great Khan. He left only a small force behind to keep the presence of the Mongols in the area. Seeing the opportunity, Qutuz the Mamluk invaded Palestine and allied with a fellow Mamluk leader, Baibars, to defend Islam and free the Mongol occupied Damascus and most of Bilad al-sham.

Seeing the now growing military strength of the Mamluks, the Mongols tried to bring forth a Franco-Mongol alliance but failed to do so since Pope Alexander IV forbade it. Alternatively, although there was a long-standing Christians against Muslims feud between the Mamluks and the Franks, the Franks understood that the Mongolian hordes would spare none, and thus they allowed the Mamluk armies to pass through their lands. When news came that the Mongols had crossed the Jordan river, Qutuz headed towards Ain Jalut in the Jezreel Valley to meet them.

The Battle That Saved Islam And Crushed The Mongols

The Fascinating Story of the Battle of Ain Jalut — 1260 A.D.

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Political circumstances of the time made it possible for Mamluks to defeat a Mongolian force led by Kitbuga Noyan in the Battle of Ain Jalut.

Allah Almighty helps the deserving in mysterious ways of-course.

But it is important to understand events correctly and read situations correctly. Allah Almighty have given all humans an excellent brain to use.

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Very good and explains the political aspects of that time.

 

[Foinikas]

Slaves by those Arabized Mamluks becoming patrons of Arab culture and civilization, adopting Arabic (they already did that from birth), Arabic being the official language of the Mamluk State, adopting Arabic titles (Sultan) etc. Strange idea of "slaves". Even more so when the Abbasid Arab Caliph had the religious authority in the Mamluk Sultanate.

Circassians are not Turkic. They are Caucasian people and one of the largest Circassian communities in the world are based in Arab countries.

No they did not. Muhammad Ali Pasha (an Albanian) ruled from 1805. Until 1952 his dynasty ruled Egypt until they were removed by the Egyptian military in the 1952 coup. Also it was nominal rule more than anything else. The local Pashas did their own things most of the time in the various provinces.

You made some absurd fake claims of it only being Turks who defeated Mongols in the Middle East which is a lie. Most of the armies of Saladin and the Mamluk Sultanate were Arabs. The battles against the Mongols took place on Arab lands. The idea that no Arabs took place and that they did not play a role is moronic nonsense propaganda and rewriting of history.

Anyway back to the Mongols who have nothing to do with Turks or Anatolian people. Even less so back in 1258.

Bhai,just for your information:

 

[imadul]

Coincidentally, Baybars defeated Mangols in the fields of Ain Jalut, same place Saul (Talut, طالوت) defeated Goliath armies and David (دائود، Daud) killed Goliath.

After that Mongols could not retain their power and declined, until they accepted Islam and setup ilkhanate in Central Asia.

 

[MajesticPug]

I don't think either. But I don't think it's because of speed.

The Mongols were very very quickly assimilated the resources in the hostile lands for themselves, while at the same time applying the 'scorched earth' tactic against their native enemies. Like locust!

Even today, there is no army that can implement this tactic as effectively as they do.

The 'scorched earth' tactics is more a defensive measure against advancing armies to prevent the enemy from gathering resources. But in attacks, the Mongols were invincible because of their cruel tactics like driving native refugees to a defending city. If the city takes in the refugees, the refugees will quickly deplete the resources and become a drag to even the most efficient defending army. In battles, Mongols let mostly foreign legions (captured men from other areas) attack first and hide from distance until the legions wasted the defending army's resources, then they'd swoop in to overwhelm the defenders. They used bioweapons and poisoned water sources, etc. In other words, Mongols were ruthless and effective.

 

[Foinikas]

Coincidentally, Baybars defeated Mangols in the fields of Ain Jalut, same place Saul (Talut, طالوت) defeated Goliath armies and David (دائود، Daud) killed Goliath.

I had to google that and it's disputed:

Ma'ayan Harod - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Maula Jatt]

The 'scorched earth' tactics is more a defensive measure against advancing armies to prevent the enemy from gathering resources. But in attacks, the Mongols were invincible because of their cruel tactics like driving native refugees to a defending city. If the city takes in the refugees, the refugees will quickly deplete the resources and become a drag to even the most efficient defending army. In battles, Mongols let mostly foreign legions (captured men from other areas) attack first and hide from distance until the legions wasted the defending army's resources, then they'd swoop in to overwhelm the defenders. They used bioweapons and poisoned water sources, etc. In other words, Mongols were ruthless and effective.

I wonder what world without Turkic and Mongol invasions would look like

Probably be a whole lot more advanced

 

[Valar.]

I wonder what world without Turkic and Mongol invasions would look like

Probably be a whole lot more advanced

Or atleast more populated. lol

 

[IblinI]

oh really? so you know more than historians ? or maybe you personally seen the numbers ?

Frederick from Germany alone brought over 1 million
Richard the Lion Heart from England
Raynald of Châtillon from France
Pope Urban II from Italy
Christians from Spain and Portugal

Europe threw everything they had at Saladin and he fulfilled his right of JIhad

Allahs help was on the side of Saladin, add Crusaders + Mongols together and still Allah would his victory to Saladin

Imam Dhahabi it said was as if Allah Swt kept Saladin from another time and place, it was the greatest victory against Non-Muslims after Khalid Bin Waleed RA victory at the battle of Yarmuk

let me repeat it as the greatest victory for the muslims after the battle of Yarmuk, battle of Yarmuk was fought by many Sahaba RA



yes but Mongols wiped out China

small nomads wiped out entire Chinese dynasty, you had to eventually build the Great Wall of China to keep then out

and Mongols themselves were beaten by Mumluks

in the end victory is for Islam only

Kid, go play your water gun somewhere else.

This thread has inevitablly turned into "my race has defeated Mongol, we are superior" shit.

 

[waz]

The most devastating Mongol attack in history. After demolishing the Order of Assassins, Hulagu Khan leads an enormous Mongol army against the great city of Baghdad. The Abbasid caliph has angered the Mongols, and his people will suffer for it. Few will survive the wrath of the Khan.

Looking forward to the next video the battle of Ayn Jalut!
History again repeated itself and a 'David' slayed a Goliath.

 

[LeGenD]

Coincidentally, Baybars defeated Mangols in the fields of Ain Jalut, same place Saul (Talut, طالوت) defeated Goliath armies and David (دائود، Daud) killed Goliath.

After that Mongols could not retain their power and declined, until they accepted Islam and setup ilkhanate in Central Asia.

Baybars did not defeat one of the great Khans in the battlefield. They capitalized on a Mongolian crisis period to their advantage to recover some of the lands lost to Mongols.

Details in following post:

The Mongol Destruction of Baghdad

Saladin was a soldier in Turkish Army ( ZENGI Dynasty ) of the Great Seljuk Empire Turkish Atabeg Nureddin Zengi sent Turkish Army , Saladin and his uncle Shirkuh to Egypt to fight Crusaders that was Turkish Army led by Saladin even BAIBARS KHAN was Turkic origin Sultan of Egypt in the...

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Mongolian leader and one of the great Khans, Berke Khan had converted to Islam and should be credited for saving the pan-Islamic world as correctly pointed out by @waz in this thread. This man prevented Halugu Khan from advancing further and crushing Muslims in Africa proper.

Allah Almighty is the best of planners indeed.

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[Srinivas]

many people have little understanding of Saladin as a person and his personality and why certain things happened

Saladin dealt with his enemies in accordance with who they were

He gave Richard the Lion Heart a horse when he was about to be killed and offered to marry his son to his daughter in exchange for coastal cities as Dowry

However he beheaded Reginald De Chatillon in a instant when he insulated our beloved Prophet Muhammed SAW

He never killed the King next to him saying Kings do not kill Kings

Saladin was a merciful leader who did not kill more than who he needed to however at the Battle of Hittin he wiped out the crusaders

600,000 crusaders, historians mention when you looked at them alive you could never image they would ever die

after Saladin was done you could never image anyone of them was ever lived

Mongols strong point was their heavy Calvary and extremely strong head on charges, this is a mirror image of the Crusaders Christians

Saladins armies would wipe the floor with Mongols, he never won by strength or numbers, but mastery in military tactics using geography to his advantage and his arches were the best in the World

Reginald was killed for his rogue behaviour.

 

[IblinI]

Baybars did not defeat one of the great Khans in the battlefield. They capitalized on a Mongolian crisis period to their advantage to recover some of the lands lost to Mongols.

Details in following post:

The Mongol Destruction of Baghdad

Saladin was a soldier in Turkish Army ( ZENGI Dynasty ) of the Great Seljuk Empire Turkish Atabeg Nureddin Zengi sent Turkish Army , Saladin and his uncle Shirkuh to Egypt to fight Crusaders that was Turkish Army led by Saladin even BAIBARS KHAN was Turkic origin Sultan of Egypt in the...

defence.pk

Mongolian leader and one of the great Khans, Berke Khan had converted to Islam and should be credited for saving the pan-Islamic world as correctly pointed out by @waz in this thread. This man prevented Halugu Khan from advancing further and crushing Muslims in Africa proper.

Allah Almighty is the best of planners indeed.

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The death of Mongke khan at Chongqing Diaoyu fortress also caused a huge impact to their conquest in the Islamic world.

 

[Corruptistan]

I wonder what world without Turkic and Mongol invasions would look like

Probably be a whole lot more advanced

The Muslim world would suddenly have looked differently and most likely much better than it currently does. With the barbaric and senseless Sack of Baghdad, the era of the Islamic Golden Age came to an end and so did the dominant (world position) of the Muslim world. Also it kickstarted the decline of the Muslim world in terms of science and progress overall.

Quite a catastrophe.

However it is ironic that there is apparently just around 10 million Mongols worldwide (most don't even live in Mongolia where just 3 million people live but in China). This is how many people there are in Baghdad as of 2022. Some food for thought.

 

[Maula Jatt]

The Muslim world would suddenly have looked different. With the barbaric and senseless Sack of Baghdad, the era of the Islamic Golden Age came to an end and so did the dominant (world position) of the Muslim world. Also it kickstarted the decline of the Muslim world in terms of science and progress overall.

Quite a catastrophe.

However it is ironic that there is apparently just around 10 million Mongols worldwide (most don't even live in Mongolia where just 3 million people live but in China). This is how many people there are in Baghdad as of 2022. Some food for thought.

What about Turks, they were Muslims but just as cruel