The misconception of China's Foreign Policy

[Chinese-Dragon]

First, USA invaded countries far from its mainland, their enemies could barely retaliate. China is picking up fights in its neighborhood.

Second, USA never attacked well-prepared advanced military powers with abilities to cause significant damage to USA (there were 1 or 2 exceptions though, and USA got a bloody nose), China is picking up fights against some powerful enemies, and they have to suffer significant losses in case of a war.

Third, USA at least had one local ally in almost all its wars, or they managed the world opinion to show themselves as a victim, China is showing itself as an aggressor.

Fourth, USA picked up its enemies one at a time, China picking up all at once, this might result into a alliance against China.

Fifth, USA was in control of world economy and all the major world economic & political institutions, they still are, China is just a country with lots of money power.

Sixth, USA has a far bigger and far more influential "Friends List" around the world, China barely has any friends of any significance.

Hence, USA can do a lot of things and get away with it, China can't, neither China will become "USA like" in terms of the above parameters anytime soon.

Every time they said we couldn't do something, whether it was growing at double-digits for more than one decade, surviving the credit crunch, or building the world's first Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile... we always surprised them.

It is in fact quite a good thing that people continue to underestimate China, since every year we add another trillion to our economic output. Up to $9.3 trillion now.

Every year our opponents wait, we get exponentially stronger. We're the ones gaining the most from the status quo, it's our opponents who are not happy with it.

 

[chhota bheem]

Its sad 9 dots is going to hurt china.

 

[dray]

We haven't had any wars for over 30 years.

Our official policy is "China's peaceful rise".

However, Genesis is also correct, that things will start to change by 2025 at least.

Taiwan is the first priority of course. The Chinese Civil War needs closure, ROC is still claiming to be China, and they are not recognized as a country by any major government, or even by the UN. (They compete in international events like the Olympics under the name Chinese Taipei).

Even your own country recognizes the PRC as the sole representative of China, and does not have official diplomatic relations with the ROC (i.e. relations are conducted indirectly, without any embassies). In fact, all major counties follow this same position.

I will always hope for a peaceful reunification, but that may not be realistic.

In my opinion peaceful reunification should be the only solution, if you bomb & kill your own race to unify them with you, you are asking for trouble in future, because then you will be integrating with you a big bunch of unhappy enemies with lots of grudge.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

In my opinion peaceful reunification should be the only solution, if you bomb & kill your own race to unify them with you, you are asking for trouble in future, because then you will be integrating with you a big bunch of unhappy enemies with lots of grudge.

I have always supported a peaceful reunification. The last Chinese Civil War was bad enough, and it's still not over.

Taiwan can only serve Western interests against their own Motherland for so long. Eventually it will have to be solved.

If Russia was in our place they would have invaded Taiwan as soon as the balance of power shifted in their favor.

For better or for worse, Chinese leaders have decided on a "peaceful rise" policy... that saw us avoiding all wars for the past 30 years. We are concentrating on economy for now, the situation may change by 2025.

 

[dray]

Every time they said we couldn't do something, whether it was growing at double-digits for more than one decade, surviving the credit crunch, or building the world's first Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile... we always surprised them.

It is in fact quite a good thing that people continue to underestimate China, since every year we add another trillion to our economic output. Up to $9.3 trillion now.

Every year our opponents wait, we get exponentially stronger. We're the ones gaining the most from the status quo, it's our opponents who are not happy with it.

Read those points that I have mentioned mate, gone are the days when you can win a war only with bigger guns and money power, I am talking about other important "Soft powers". Make friends in the neighborhood and foes far away from home if you want to live in peace.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Read those points that I have mentioned mate, gone are the days when you can win a war only with bigger guns and money power, I am talking about other important "Soft powers". Make friends in the neighborhood and foes far away from home if you want to live in peace.

In my opinion, Peace comes through strength, not "soft power".

China and India led the world in soft power for so many centuries, but we know what happened after that.

We invented gunpowder, firearms, artillery and rockets... yet it was the West who mass produced these and turned us into their slaves.

 

[dray]

I have always supported a peaceful reunification. The last Chinese Civil War was bad enough, and it's still not over.

Taiwan can only serve Western interests against their own Motherland for so long. Eventually it will have to be solved.

If Russia was in our place they would have invaded Taiwan as soon as the balance of power shifted in their favor.

For better or for worse, Chinese leaders have decided on a "peaceful rise" policy... that saw us avoiding all wars for the past 30 years. We are concentrating on economy for now, the situation may change by 2025.

And see how Russia did it very recently, above 96% votes in their favor!! You can't just bomb the same people that you want to be with you as your countrymen, this way we will never get their loyalty.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

And see how Russia did it very recently, above 96% votes in their favor!! You can't just bomb the same people that you want to be with you as your countrymen, this away we will never get their loyalty.

I agree.

This will only be the very last resort.

 

[flankerX]

And see how Russia did it very recently, above 96% votes in their favor!! You can't just bomb the same people that you want to be with you as your countrymen, this way we will never get their loyalty.

Why dont you do same when it comes to kashmir, a referendum.... You will never

And see how Russia did it very recently, above 96% votes in their favor!! You can't just bomb the same people that you want to be with you as your countrymen, this way we will never get their loyalty.

Why dont you do the same in kashmir?? A peaceful referendum and let the people of kashmir chose their future... But you wont do that coz you know the results of referendum, dont you?

Every time they said we couldn't do something, whether it was growing at double-digits for more than one decade, surviving the credit crunch, or building the world's first Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile... we always surprised them.

It is in fact quite a good thing that people continue to underestimate China, since every year we add another trillion to our economic output. Up to $9.3 trillion now.

Every year our opponents wait, we get exponentially stronger. We're the ones gaining the most from the status quo, it's our opponents who are not happy with it.

In complete agreement wth what you said.
Lets see how China responds to the challenges of the new world after 2025...

 

[dray]

In my opinion, Peace comes through strength, not "soft power".

China and India led the world in soft power for so many centuries, but we know what happened after that.

We invented gunpowder, firearms, artillery and rockets... yet it was the West who mass produced these and turned us into their slaves.

Yes, but the world has changed, previously power and wealth came from capturing more and more land under your control and by physically enslaving the people, now you can do the same thing more efficiently by capturing the market of others, and having greater political and monetary control over other nations. Keep enough weapons so that nobody tries to mess around with you, but not for messing around with others, that will drain your resources instead of adding any value to your country.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Yes, but the world has changed, previously power and wealth came from capturing more and more land under your control and by physically enslaving the people, now you can do the same thing more efficiently by capturing the market of others, and having greater political and monetary control over other nations. Keep enough weapons so that nobody try to mess around with you, but not for messing around with others, that will drain your resources instead of adding any value to your country.

That would be my preferred strategy. Even though the "peaceful rise" policy of the Chinese government is very unpopular amongst a lot of nationalists.

In complete agreement wth what you said.
Lets see how China responds to the challenges of the new world after 2025...

We'll have to wait and see. We need 10-20 more years of economic development at the very least.

 

[terranMarine]

First, USA invaded countries far from its mainland, their enemies could barely retaliate. China is picking up fights in its neighborhood.

So you are saying if some country attacking its neighbor, the invader will receive retaliation and suffer greatly? Well it certainly didn't affect Imperial Japan during WW2. I guess in ancient times war fought next to one country's borders will cause the attacker to suffer great losses then?

Second, USA never attacked well-prepared advanced military powers with abilities to cause significant damage to USA (there were 1 or 2 exceptions though, and USA got a bloody nose), China is picking up fights against some powerful enemies, and they have to suffer significant losses in case of a war.

Which powerful enemies?

Third, USA at least had one local ally in almost all its wars, or they managed the world opinion to show themselves as a victim, China is showing itself as an aggressor.

Well i certainly see many people from around the world criticizing the US engaging in wars. And no the US does not show itself as victim, they show the world they bomb countries for the so called democracy.

Fourth, USA picked up its enemies one at a time, China picking up all at once, this might result into an alliance against China.

IF Japan didn't attack Pearl Harbor, Imperial Japan would have been ruling East Asia.

Sixth, USA has a far bigger and far more influential "Friends List" around the world, China barely has any friends of any significance.

You mean the influential EU who is doing so poorly since the financial crisis and now enjoy doing business with China?

 

[dray]

Why dont you do same when it comes to kashmir, a referendum.... You will never

Why dont you do the same in kashmir?? A peaceful referendum and let the people of kashmir chose their future... But you wont do that coz you know the results of referendum, dont you?

Kashmir means the entire region under your control also, and Kashmiris means the displaced Pandits and Shikhs also, first remove your forces from Azad Kashmir and stop cross-border terrorism, so that we can send back the displaced people to their land, then we might consider it. We have no reason to play by your rules.

 

[Genesis]

Its sad 9 dots is going to hurt china.

how so? What has happened? Nothing. This kind of talk is baseless, because it has not hurt us, but it has helped us.

Our national power is already at a stage where we can no longer hide in the shadows. If we had just came out blindly and started to fire in all directions, then it could be that we might be hit.

This way we can toss a bomb and see where everyone stands and what are the challenges that faces us, without actually going into battle. We can assess the situation, and then make decisions accordingly.

Now if we had not done that, would we know the challenges we know now? If we had just charged in head first would we not be bleeding?


@DRAY

since you like to talk strength and strategy, the above is something, but also morale is important.


There's a saying in China, 一鼓作气再而衰三而竭, by a famous tactician in ancient China. What does this mean? Gather steam and charge, if let up, then the morale weakens, and if let up again, the morale is gone.

This is said as strategy to the king for victory, he let the enemy pump up with war cries, but he doesn't react, the enemy war cries again, he doesn't do anything, the third time, the surge of testosterone is gone, and the men are thinking about their lives and wavering, on the third battle cry from the enemy, he ordered the first battle cry for his troops, and charged with all their courage in tact.


Our "enemies" will pump themselves up, and each time we barely react,eventually the nationalism will be weakened, the business as usual returns, the rhetoric gets lame, and the morale for a lasting battle wavers.

In the mean time we will take a few hits and reform out economy, while reorganize and modernize our army. When the battle cry sounds, our morale will be at a height, while the enemy will not have any morale left.

Of course by that time if battle is even needed is questionable.

 

[flankerX]

Kashmir means the entire region under your control also, and Kashmiris means the displaced Pandits and Shikhs also, first remove your forces from Azad Kashmir and stop cross-border terrorism, so that we can send back the displaced people to their land, then we might consider it. We have no reason to play by your rules.

.. thats not our rule, its what you agreed in UN, remember?? On?? Ask elders in your family