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The mighty Satavahana dynasty .

As you can't debate like human beings ....hence personal attacks...i understand your frustration as you people contributed shyt to this subcontinent...and may i provide you a source camel piss drinker.

No need to cry now after getting personal first, typical bhangee mentality. What your ancestors did who can't even light a fire on their own till now? All you can claim have foreign origins lol

Hinduism do not fit the definition of a typical religion when compared to other Abrahamic religions. Hinduism in fact refers to all the dharmic & cultural beliefs of people living in Indian sub continent. And off course these dharmic beliefs is not a thing which can be made in a few years like other religions based on a single holy book/ a few holy books with an aim to export it to other radically different countries which are culturally way different. And Central Asia , Persia , Tibet & even Greeks had some influence on the religious beliefs off India. It does mean that they invented it.

Point is Rig Veda is not Indian, these people came from steppe.
 
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People have moved past that point, no one deny this because its a fact. Only nationalist hindus like to deny obvious truth. People see what they want to see but truth is hinduism is foreign religion with local touch.

exactly it is u r hate towards Indians and hindus in particular that blinds you from seeing what the truth is.... Hinduism was indigeneous to india and this is truth, there was reference of dwarka the golden city of lord krishna to be submerged under the sea in hindu scritures of Mahabaratha, this was considered to be a myth by people for long, untill some divers discovered the evidence of existence of city under the sea near present day dwarka city.. and the results of research on excavation proved that city dates back atleast 9000 years... how does hinduism become a foreign religion when dwarka was submerged atleast before 9000 years ??

Sophisticated Vimanas Over Dwarka - Pre-Harappan City That Could Rewrite The History Of The World - MessageToEagle.com
 
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exactly it is u r hate towards Indians and hindus in particular that blinds you from seeing what the truth is.... Hinduism was indigeneous to india and this is truth, there was reference of dwarka the golden city of lord krishna to be submerged under the sea in hindu scritures of Mahabaratha, this was considered to be a myth by people for long, untill some divers discovered the evidence of existence of city under the sea near present day dwarka city.. and the results of research on excavation proved that city dates back atleast 9000 years... how does hinduism become a foreign religion when dwarka was submerged atleast before 9000 years ??

Sophisticated Vimanas Over Dwarka - Pre-Harappan City That Could Rewrite The History Of The World - MessageToEagle.com

Another mythical story, soon Indians will prove they also build pyramides. There is a reason Indians have such a bad reputation when it comes to inventing history for religious reasons :)
 
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Another mythical story, soon Indians will prove they also build pyramides. There is a reason Indians have such a bad reputation when it comes to inventing history for religious reasons :)


lol, coming this form a pakistani makes me laugh..:rofl::rofl::rofl: As I said before these are hard facts, just bcz pakistani madarssahs dnt teach them dsnt make them to be myths...
 
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lol, coming this form a pakistani makes me laugh..:rofl::rofl::rofl: As I said before these are hard facts, just bcz pakistani madarssahs dnt teach them dsnt make them to be myths...

Again, hindu dose of bs is getting in to your head. Say these stupid thing in neutral forum and see how they will bring you down to earth. Not by Pakistanis but people who know thing or two about history.

Haha 3rd generation low born convert is giving lecture on history :lol: .....poke me when you discovered a decent rock cut architecture in your country,

I cannot possible be lower then Indian ;)
 
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lol, coming this form a pakistani makes me laugh..:rofl::rofl::rofl: As I said before these are hard facts, just bcz pakistani madarssahs dnt teach them dsnt make them to be myths...

Don't waste your precious time on such use/@$$ posters..

He is either a person who takes time to learn/understand something about which he is ignorant

OR he is a troll trying to divert the focus of this interesting thread.. so Please ignore him[THIS GOES FOR ALL OTHER POSTERS TOO]
 
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Again, hindu dose of bs is getting in to your head. Say these stupid thing in neutral forum and see how they will bring you down to earth. Not by Pakistanis but people who know thing or two about history.

what did u expect when u discard every scientific proof to be a hindu bs propaganda ?? I gave you proof that IAT is a myth, and hinduism existed before any mystical invasion of steppes in to India or for that matter submerged dwarka is more than 9000 yrs old. These are findings which are debated on many neutral forms and are documented by foreigners themselves..
 
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The Satavahana - Western Kshtrapa Relations


The Andhra Satavahanas ruled for four centuries and a half in the Deccan. During their rule they came into contact with their neighbouring kingdoms, the prominent of which was that of the Western Kshatrapas.

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During the Indo-Parthian rule, the Satraps or Governors were appointed to rule over various areas conquered by them. One of those satrapal seats was Malwa and Saurashtra. The chronology of the Satavahanas and the early phase of the Kshatrapa rule have been controversial. The Kshatrapa rule includes that of the Kshaharatas like Bhumaka and Nahapana and of the Kardanraka family from Chashtana onwards. Of the Kshaharatas, Bhumaka was the first ruler. From the palaeography of his coin legends, he is regarded as the predecessor of Nahapana; but the actual relationship between the two is not known. The coins of Bhumaka mention him as a Kshaharata Kshatrapa.
The coins show the symbol of the Lion-capital. These coins were found in Gujarat and rarely in Malwa which might indicate the area of rule of Bhumaka. The figure of the thunder-bolt appearing on Nahapana's coins resembles that of the Mathura Kshatrapas. It is also known that some of the inscriptions of the Mathura Kshatrapas were incised on a lion capital. These show that the two families were alike. There are scholars who conclude from these resemblances that the Kshatrapa Kshaharatas were originally subordinates of the Mathura Kshatrapas and that they declared themselves independent after the death of the great Mathura Kshatrapa Rajula in 17 A.D.

The Satavahanas 37 Nahapana succeeded Bhumaka on the western Kshatrapa throne. During his rule, the kingdom seems to have been extended, as is known from the inscnptions. An inscription at Nasik refers to the gifts given by Ushavadata, the son-in-law of Nahapana at places like Govardhana, Sopara, Dasapura, Prabhasa. Barulachchhg and Pushkara. Nahapano's inscriptions were discovered at Nasik, Karle and Junnar. These taken together show that in the north Nahapana's empire extended upto Rajasthan and in the south to Maharashtra.

The Periplus of the Erythrean Sea composed in 60 A.D. records the hegemony of Nahapana in this area and refers to
the trade activity of Western India with the Red Sea ports, which was grabbed by Nahapana after defeating the Satavahana rivals probably Sundara Satakarni and Chakora Satakami, The Satavahana ports like Kalyan and Sopara lost their commercial importance to Barygaza. In the inscriptions, mention of Nahapana's years 41-46
was made. There has been a controversy with regard to the ere to which these years should be assigned. Scholars like R.G. Bhandarkar, D.R. Bhandarkar, Prof. Rapson, Roy Chowdhuri, D.C. Circar and V.D. Mirashi assign them to the Saka era. Another set of scholars like Cunningham, V.S. Bakhle, K.A.N. Sastry and G.V. Rao think that they were dated in the Vrkrama era. But the difficulty in these two propositions is that Nahapana would be placed either in the 2nd century A.D. or in the 1st century B.C. respectively, both of which are improbable in view of evidence of the Periplus.
The evidence of the Periplus leading to a 1st century A.D. date for Nahapane has to be accepted. The difficulties in the
assignment of Nahapana's years to one of the two eras have been exposed by scholars like R.D. Banerji, A.S. Altekar etc.

Taking these years as the regnal years of Nahapana, these scholars placed him in the second half of the 1st century A.D.
There is also a belief that these years could be the independent years of rule of the Kshaharatas in Malwa and Saurashtra, probably when there was weak succession on the Mathura Kshatrapa throne. Anyway Nahapana's rule cannot be extended beyond 60 or 70 A.D. because at the time when Periplus was writing, Nahapana's power was at its zenith. So it is quite ikely that the years referred to in the inscriptions could be
equivalent to 60 or 70 A.D. Nahapana's rule was put to an end by Gautamiputra Satakarni, the first of the later Satavahanas. His main credit was the destruction of Kshaharata power and the restoration of the fortunes of the Satavahana family.
The Nasik prasasti ssued in his son's reign gives a good description of the achievements of Gautamiputra over the Kshaharatas and the Sakas, Yavanas and the Pahlavas. It is not known as to whether the Scytho-Parthians who ruled until the establishment of Kushana power effectively in northern India, came to the rescue of the Kshaharatas who were definitely defeated by Gautamiputra. In addition to the achievements recorded by Gautamiputra at a later time, we have a little information from one of the inscriptions. The Nasik inscription dated in the 18th year was issued from the battle field after his success over an unnamed enemy. The same inscription also records the grant of the land to the Buddhist monks and it is stated that the land was in possession of Ushavadata earlier. From this, scholars conclude
that the erstwhile Kshaharata possession went into the hands of Gautamiputra by his 18th regnal year.
The list of areas mentioned in his son's inscription shows that Saurashtra, Aparanta, Malwa and parts of Rajasthan were occupied by Gautamiputra. After this victory, he seems to have restruck the coins of Nahapana as is known from the Jogelthambi hoard of coins. Gautamiputra retained all these areas during his life time.

He died in circa dated 87 A.D. and was succeeded by his son Vasisthiputra Pulomavi. The latter ruled for 28 years, i.e. from 87 A.O. to 115 A.D. Till his 19th regnal year, the areas of rule under Gautamiputra must have been retained by Pulomavi, The Satavahanas 39 because the Nasik inscription of that year refers to Gautamiputra's areas of rule and also styles Pulomavi as 'Dakshinapatheswara'. During the last 9 years of rule, he must have lost the Malwa region to Chashtana, who was the founder of the Kardamaka line. The Kardamakas were at first subordinates to the Kushanas. Later on they might have become independent.

According to Ptotemy, Chashtana of Ujjain was ruling at the time when Pulomavi was ruling at Paithan. So the seizure
of some of the Satavahana possessions must have taken place between 106 A.D. and 114 A.D. The clashes between the Kardamakas and Satavahanas continued during the rule of Siva Sri and Siva Skanda on one side and Chashtana and Jayadaman on the other. During these conflicts must have occured the death of Jayadaman who predeceased his father Chashtana. The latter could have obtained the territory in between Malwa and Kutch including Saurashtra by about 130 A.D. The Andhau inscriptions of Chashtana issued along with his grandson Rudradaman show the western limit of the Kardamaka empire.
Meanwhile by 129 A.D., Yajna Sri Satakarni came to the Satavahana throne. During his rule, he had to contend against
the power of Rudradaman who came to the throne in or after 130 A.D. In the Girnar inscription of Rudradaman, dated in the year 72 corresponding to 150 A.D., the king is said to have defeated the 'Dakshinapathapati' Satakarni and liberated because of his non-remote relationship. This ruler could have been Yajna Sri Satakarni. The Aparanta region seems to have been the arena of conflict between the two empires. Yajna Sri's defeat must have occured after his 16th year of rule because his inscription dated in that year comes from Kanheri. The Aparanta territory thenceforth became a Kshatrapa possession. After the reign of Yajna Sri, the rulers of the Satavahana family could not regain these areas and had to be contended with parts of the Andhra area.
While there had been conflicts throughout between the Satavahanas and the Western Kshatrapas, evidence also points to one matrimonial alliance between the two families (Kardamakas and Satavahanas). This is known from an inscription at Kanheri which mentions the daughter of one Mahakshatrapa Rudradaman, who was the queen of one Vasisthiputra Satakami. The identity of Vasisthiputra Satakami and his relationship with Yajna Sri are problematic. Scholars like Rapson and Smith identify him with Vasisthiputra Pulomavi. This is improbable because of the contemporaniety of Vasisthiputra Pulomavi with Chashtana. tt is likely that Vasisthiputra Satakarni was a successor of Pulomavi who must have had some clashes with the other Satavahana rulers for succession to the throne and who thereby must have entered into this matrimonial alliance with the Kshatrapas. This might also explain the
absence of reference to his name in the Puranic list of the Andhra kings. He must have been benefitted by this alliance as an inscription at Nanaghat was issued by him in his 13th year which indicates that the Aparanta region went into the hands of Vasisthiputra Satakarni with the consent of his fatherin- law Rudradaman.

Thus during the first and second centuries A.D., fortune favoured for a time the Kshaharatas, later the Satavahanas and afterwards the Kardamakas in the possession of Western India. There had been throughout a conflict between the Satavahanas and the Western Kshatrapas. The areas that were conquered by Rudradaman to a large extent retained by his successors The Satavahanas confined themselves to the Andhra region for nearly a quarter of a century more when their power eclipsed finally.
 
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No need to cry now after getting personal first, typical bhangee mentality. What your ancestors did who can't even light a fire on their own till now? All you can claim have foreign origins lol


These steppe peoples brought something that's a forerunner to both India's and Iran's religions and languages, but you're insane if you think Indian civilization isnt Indian or dont belong to Indians. It's been thousands of years and Iran and India are nothing a like for example.

Those peoples came in like this -

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and Indian civilization ends up looking like this-

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Which means there was a clear compromise of sorts between the two factions that made Indian culture and civilization.

And you're treating Indian civilization as some offshot, that's funny because you cant fit Indian civilization anywhere on the globe. Same case for Sinic, Iranic, Gerco Roman, Egyptian, Mesopotamian, etc. All have their unique styles developed mostly within their lands.
 
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It is huge loss then.It should be taught at school level.The school history text books must be divided into following segments at least:

1)Pre Mongolian era
2)Post Mongolian era
3)Arab invasion
4)British rule and partition.

It should be made compulsory. To be very honest I am not much aware about pre Mongolian era or much about civilizations before Arab invasion.It would be great to have such threads so that we could study civilizations and changes in culture in more detail.
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Arabs or turks or British only ruled 700 years or so, But Bharat existed long long ago.

So Mongols or Turks or Arabs or British are not the basis, particularly a country like India which is a cradle of civilization.

The spread of Dharmic culture to other parts of Asia, Indus valley civilization, Mauryan empire, Golden ages and scientific achievements of ancient Indians, spread of Islam are the basis of Indian history of India.

Invaders came and looted, some built stone monuments .... nothing more.
 
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what did u expect when u discard every scientific proof to be a hindu bs propaganda ?? I gave you proof that IAT is a myth, and hinduism existed before any mystical invasion of steppes in to India or for that matter submerged dwarka is more than 9000 yrs old. These are findings which are debated on many neutral forms and are documented by foreigners themselves..

Post these links in neutral forum and then see other people laugh at you. Everything so far you have claimed have no scientific base. Seriously its not just me but whole world laugh at Indian claims.

These steppe peoples brought a something that's a forerunner to both India and Iran religions and languages, but you're insane if you think Indian civilization isnt India or dont belong to Indian. It's been thousands of years and Iran and India are nothing a like for example.

Those peoples came in like this -

images


and Indian civilization ends up looking like this-

Q7Hs8wH.jpg

9NbAQ.jpg


Which means there was a clear compromise of sorts between the two factions that made Indian culture and civilization.

And you're treating Indian civilization as some offshot, that's funny because you cant fit Indian civilization anywhere on the globe. Same case for Sinic, Iranic, Gerco Roman, Egyptian, Mesopotamian, etc. All have their unique styles developed mostly within their lands.

I said steppe people with local touch, at least you don't believe in out of india theory :) they brought civilization to primitive natives.
 
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Indians posters are strongly requested to keep Pakistan away from their discussion and kindly focus on topic.If you are discussing nations other then Dravidian or Aryan dynasty then please discuss respectfully .Pakistani posters are also requested to remain on topic.
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Post these links in neutral forum and then see other people laugh at you. Everything so far you have claimed have no scientific base. Seriously its not just me but whole world laugh at Indian claims.



I said steppe people with local touch, at least you don't believe in out of india theory :) they brought civilization to primitive natives.


Show me the same archecture, script, clothing,etc, etc. from the steppes.

Greek religion and language was also brought there by outsiders, but largely Greek style is a mix of both outside and local sources.

No different to India. And like I said, those forerunners to india religion and languages went to Iran as well. Iran and India look nothing alike, due to both Indians and Iranians creating their own sophisticated cultures by themselves, within their own lands.

And no, I don't outright disagree with that theory, but you're no different from others who have a chip on their shoulder. Problem with you is that you bring in your hilarious superior complex to every topic. Don't talk about neutrality when you're hardly neutral yourself.
 
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