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The meaning of Pakistan

You are asking for a very long post.

It is not quite clear how the riots in Punjab started. Muslims blame Master Tara Singh's leadership for the mess. Sikhs point at riots in Rawalpindi for the cause. Any way you look at it, more Muslims suffered than Hindus and Sikhs. The reasons are two-fold: First, Punjab was a Muslim majority province and they suffered proportionately more. A contributory factor was the award of Muslim-majority areas of Gurdaspur, Amritsar, and area around and along River Beas to India. Second, the caravans of Muslims muhajirs / refugees from UP traversed East Punjab (Haryan and Punjab combined). En-route they were ambushed by roving bands of armed men.

As far as Bihar is concerned, many Bihari Muslims migrated to East Pakistan and they were similarly harassed. Pertinent to note that there was no movement from East Pakistan to Bihar whatsoever by Hindus. These Biharis had fresh memories of 1945/46 riots. Lord Wavell having toured the area, had understood that it was impossible to keep peace. Gandhi Ji also visited and that is probably when he had a change of heart about partition. The standard practices of men being killed and women being abducted paled in comparison to children having been impaled onto trees. My friend the picture you saw may have its source anywhere, but it is very representative of the truth.

In my reading I have come across two instances of Hindu / Sikh refugee trains being targeted in West Punjab. Mind you this practice was not specific to West Punjab, a lot more happened on the other side. I will tell you the details in a later paragraph. In the first instance, a train was stopped before it entered India (from Kasur, I think) and it was looted and men were killed. There were a few soldiers of Baloch Regiment who were supposed to protect this train, but they did nothing. The young officer commanding was (the later General) Abdur-Rehman Akhtar. He himself belonged to East Punjab and his rationale for not forcing his soldiers to do their duty was that many of them had lost relatives themselves and were not prepared to face a hostile crowd to defend the refugee co-religionists of the people who had killed their families. This conduct was condemnable, but it was matched by the other side well enough when the non-Muslim soldiers accompanying as armed escorts often did not care and would not stop Sikhs from killing and kidnapping. My father's caravan suffered this until all the caravan determined to commit collective suicide and all lay on the road. An English Army Major saw this and sent dozen or less soldiers of Baluch Regiment who kept armed Sikhs at bay til the caravan reached Wagah.

I have come across negative portrayal of Baluch Regiment in writing by Indian writers etc... The above incident is probably the source of these claims.

The other event of targeting a train that I have read about in some detail (planning, execution, aftermath) happened on the Eminabad railway station, about 25 miles from Lahore. A refugee train was stopped, men were killed, Women were spared. The women of Eminabad came out in force at hearing of the on-going massacre, taunted and shamed their men-folk, took women and girls into their custody and took them into their homes.

On the other hand, many trains arriving at Lahore from India had been ambushed. One train arrived with not a living soul on it. A train compartment was especially bloody. It was littered full with Breasts of women that had been cut off. This particular compartment had been labelled as "Eid Gift for Muslims" - Musalmanon kai liyai Eid ka Tuhfa.

Many Muslim refugee camps had wells that had been poisoned by dumping sacks of soap. Any who drank from these died of dysentery, those who did not, died of thirst. My father's camp had something like this, in addition to Sikhs coming into camps and killing and kidnapping at will. The brave Awans who had initially been a part of the caravan split from the caravan after having crossed River Beas, because they could not contemplate being kept under guard like cattle. They walked and fought their way to Pakistan by themselves.

I have many other stories to relate, but this should suffice as sample of what that had happened during partition.

You may call it senseless, and you would be right. I call it inevitable, and that would be more correct.


You forgot to mention the Sikhs had all the weapons. They had rifles from the world wars and before that from the British East India company. The Sikhs would impale infants dropped at the train stations with their swords and let the infants slide down the sword as they raised it up in the air. My nani's younger brother had his tongue out by a Sikh. He was around ten years old. But both my nani and mama escaped. My nani's elder brother stayed back in Jalandar and slayed 12 sikhs while accompanying his father.
 
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well in Persian, Pak means clean and Stan means province, so Pakistan in Persian means clean province. I'm guessing this name was chosen as an insult to Hindus?
No.I am astonished that you assumed that.Instead this name was choosen so that we could have a racist/cast system free country where both the nationalities can enjoy equal rights of citizenship.
Regards
 
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main ne apny mulk ko kaha hai bhai :undecided:
Acha phir aap konsay category mein atay hain?:

P - purany papiyoon ka mulk
A - amreca ke ghulamoo ka mulk
K- kameny hukmaranoo ka mulk
I- insaano ke bagher mulk
S- shetaan mulaaoon ka mulk
T- toota hoa mulk (bangladesh)
A- apny aap ko tabah kerny waloon ka mulk
N- nalaik officers ka mulk
 
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P-pak fauj
A-Amreekiyon ko double cross kerne walay
K-1/3 kashmir churane walay
I-Intel service intelligence
S-Shaitan Kay baap
T-TTP ko thikane lagane walay jaanbaaz.
A-abdus sattar edhi and arfa Kareem ko paida kerne walay.
N-Nikkammay siyasat daano ko topiyan kerane walay!
sorry management, making such posts for the very first time!
Regards
 
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You forgot to mention the Sikhs had all the weapons. They had rifles from the world wars and before that from the British East India company. The Sikhs would impale infants dropped at the train stations with their swords and let the infants slide down the sword as they raised it up in the air. My nani's younger brother had his tongue out by a Sikh. He was around ten years old. But both my nani and mama escaped. My nani's elder brother stayed back in Jalandar and slayed 12 sikhs while accompanying his father.

I did not forget. I decided not to write everything down. Its good that you have mentioned this. Perhaps we should have a separate thread for just partition stories where people can related what they know.

Very close to Chak Bamu village there was a battle between Muslims and Sikhs. It was conducted like a complete war. There were attacks by Sikhs on Muslim villages. Reprisal attacks by Muslims. Planning of a large attack by Sikhs. Intelligence operation by Muslims to get the information of the said plan. Preparations on a massive scale, so that Lohars (blacksmiths) were working day and nigh to make swords and spears.

Finally when the attack did come, Muslims were ready for it. Sikh war party was taken by surprise. A few of them were cut down, they fled to cross the rain swollen stream (Saim nehar), but found the narrow bridge blocked by a lone Muslim Gatka Expert who killed many and did not let a single one of them cross the bridge. Many many Sikhs finding the way blocked, jumped into the swollen stream and drowned. My mother's village, Nadali, was a few miles to the South, on the bend of Kali Bein which was fed by the said stream. She relates that they saw many bodies of Sikhs float by.

Some Sikhs dispersed to hide in crop fields - many of them were found and cut down. My father related that the estimate for Sikh deaths was in many hundreds (500?) while Muslims losses were negligible.

After this battle, Sikhs could do nothing to harass the Muslim villages along the Easter bank of River Beas. Muslims were very secure in their areas having successfully put an end to raids by Sikh Jathas.
 
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kab tak meaning hi dunthte rahoge Pakistan ka... 66 saal nikal gaye u hiii...
kutch kaam bhi karo....
 
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Ok , they wanted to purify their land from the Hindus. Any Pakistani wants to elaborate on the name Pakistan? b/c in Persian it means Clean province. like I said, to me it sounds like an insult to Indians.

Wrong call. The name came about in an indirect way. A Muslim thinker by the name of Rehmat Ali wrote a pamphlet in 1932 by the name of "Now or never". In it he presented the name "PAKISTAN" for a country to be established in North West India. This pamphlet received little attention and was generally ignored.

After the Muslim League's mammoth rally in Lahore in March 1940 that called for establishment of a Muslim homeland. The Hindu press, particularly that of Lahore dubbed it "Pakistan" in jest. The name stuck and Muslims, like the reactionary bunch that they were (and are) took it with gusto.

The geographic and political reality of Pakistan as established in 1947 was very different from the idea of Ch. Rehmat Ali. That should give you an idea. If you wish to know more, you should read about speeches and writings of Muhammad Ali Jinnah, our Quaid-e-Azam.

If you receive information from random places populated by trolls, you would have misplaced and wrong ideas.
 
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kab tak meaning hi dunthte rahoge Pakistan ka... 66 saal nikal gaye u hiii...
kutch kaam bhi karo....

Pakistan being a recent expression of ages old reality, is not self-secure & self-aware in its geographic bounds as a mature nation state yet. After splitting from British India, it is but natural to try and find answers to age-old open-ended questions.

Thanks to India, Pakistan is an enduring reality; and that is the important thing.

Identity is a difficult issue. Khalil Gibran said:

"Only once have I been made mute. It was
when a man asked me, “Who are you?”


@Chak Bamu, please ban this idiot and his rant posts to make our country bad impression.

Bhai, everyone knows who, what, why, & how of @Imran Khan . Let him be.

People take him seriously at their own risk.
Leave him be!

Indians love him.
Leave him be!

He rants and raves.
Let him be!

One day he shall be no more. For now,
Let him be!
 
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Pakistan being a recent expression of ages old reality, is not self-secure & self-aware in its geographic bounds as a mature nation state yet. After splitting from British India, it is but natural to try and find answers to age-old open-ended questions.

Thanks to India, Pakistan is an enduring reality; and that is the important thing.

Identity is a difficult issue. Khalil Gibran said:

"Only once have I been made mute. It was
when a man asked me, “Who are you?”




Bhai, everyone knows who, what, why, & how of @Imran Khan . Let him be.

People take him seriously at their own risk.
Leave him be!

Indians love him.
Leave him be!

He rants and raves.
Let him be!

One day he shall be no more. For now,
Let him be!
ok so deleted let me ask you is this ideal situation for nation ?
should not we face what is going on ?
i think pakistan now need more critics then jee hazoori people .and i am doing it to awake or rethink my countrymen
 
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ok so deleted let me ask you is this ideal situation for nation ?
should not we face what is going on ?
i think pakistan now need more critics then jee hazoori people .and i am doing it to awake or rethink my countrymen

I think you should get over your mid-life crisis before you discuss anything about Pakistan.

All your anger, frustration, and lack of relevance finds only one outlet, Pakistan-bashing. That is why Indians just love you.

In case you have not noticed: We ARE facing what is going on, the best we can. Things have begun to turn.

Listen, think logically. If we were to get rid of religion from Pakistan's identity, there would be no reason for the country to exist. As a secular project Greater Punjab would be much more worthwhile and viable. If one must be secular, ethnicity and language-based identity automatically become supreme.

Until all of Pakistanis evolve to an ethnic-less identity paradigm, we are stuck with religion as a strong component of our identity. That is the superficial and cosmetic basis of problem that you have with Pakistan. But there is nothing you or anybody else can do about it.

Pakistan is truly a bastion for us. You may find umpteen faults with it. You just do not realize how important it is for us despite its seeming unstability. Had British India not been divided, South Asia would have been a much more Hellish place.

One thing I've wanted to ask you: Are you Riyasati?
 
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