The last frontier

[zagahaga]

back stabbing taliban we screwed up watch they wont leave us alone

 

[hillman32]

Afghanistan is Black Hole.

All powers have been sucked and vanished one by one.

Now it is turn of US to get her share.

Wait and see................................. What happens to USA.

 

[Ahmad]

Afghanistan is Black Hole.

All powers have been sucked and vanished one by one.

Now it is turn of US to get her share.

Wait and see................................. What happens to USA.

if america wont succed, that will mean a huge civil war in afghanistan with alot of bloodshed among the muslims. this bloodshed will directly be affecting pakistan and then god knows what would happen. so dont just pray for the defeat of america, as defeat of america is defeat of afghanistan and pakistan too.

 

[zagahaga]

taliban i a infection.... i remember when i was in pakistan 5 years ago .... i was in darra i got a bad cut by a bayonet ..... i thought a little water and stiches will fix it ... after a couple of day infected ... no doctor nothing has to burn it with hot metal .... that what we ghotta do ..... we ghotta go full out conventional with taliban we needs around 200 000 to 300000 soilders most of em NATO

 

[Sinnerman108]

are some guys religious fanatics or just day dreaming which can hurt pakistan too as well as afghanistan? If you are really FRIEND of afghanistan, you shouldnt pray for the victory of the taliban - no matter how much you hate america. Lets assume the taliban in Afghanistan succeds in what they want, in this case the americans will leave the region, do you think you will be able to get those financial assistance from americans in such a situation considering the fact that you will have your own fanatics who is ready to kill you more than the americans? Victory for the taliban in afghanistan will send a shockwave through the region, that victory will automatically give an unimaginable boost to the TTP and other factions in pakistan.

America will leave, but the taliban and al qaeda would be there to kill afghans as well as pakistans.

Ahmed,
a part of me wants to agree with you, and I mean full agreement; a larger part of me does not agree with you.

You are 100% correct that what ever happens in Afghanistan will have a equal fallout in Pakistan. One may even argue that Afghanistan and a large part of Pakistan are just one country in more ways then one.

You are right that religious sentiment is a large motivation when I do not agree with you. At the same time I am not suggesting what the Taliban did was correct. Let me be very clear about that.

Their tactics were crude, and wrong but what they wanted to achieve = Islamic State is your and mine goal too.

You and I are just as much to blame for the Taliban as taliban them selves,
We knew they lacked in education; did we help ?
We knew they were going the wrong way; did we raise voice then ?
We could have tried to bring thought and rational to them; we didn't.

But all that aside, water under bridge.

I have yet to find factual and logical basis on which to predict an american victory and subsequent taliban defeat.

Figures and facts on ground suggest otherwise and please feel free to correct me with rational.

 

[Ahmad]

Ahmed,
a part of me wants to agree with you, and I mean full agreement; a larger part of me does not agree with you.

thats a good news.

You are 100% correct that what ever happens in Afghanistan will have a equal fallout in Pakistan.

yes, there will be a big time adverse effect on pakistan.

One may even argue that Afghanistan and a large part of Pakistan are just one country in more ways then one.

parts of paksitan yes, but not all afghanistan. only parts of afghanistan and parts of pakistan do share something with each other, be it ethnicity, language and terrorism.

Their tactics were crude, and wrong but what they wanted to achieve = Islamic State is your and mine goal too.

can you apply the same thing to the TTP as well? They also wanted to bring islamic state etc.

You and I are just as much to blame for the Taliban as taliban them selves,

you can certainly blame yourself, but i am not in the mode to take the blame for the crimes of other people.

We knew they lacked in education; did we help ?

there are alot of uneducated people in afghanistan, did they take the arm to kill their own people? perhaps the taliban were better compare to some other people in terms of education, they could at least read and write!!

We knew they were going the wrong way; did we raise voice then ?

Yes, people did raise their voice, but they were jailed by the taliban, killled and their villalges/cities were burnt totally.

We could have tried to bring thought and rational to them; we didn't.

i fail to understand how?

but all aside. water under bridge

i didnt understand this.

I have yet to find factual and logical basis on which to predict an american victory and subsequent taliban defeat.

Figures and facts on ground suggest otherwise and please feel free to correct me with rational.

we are just ordinary users of the internet which dont have any influece on the current issue in the region, but lets just stop cheering the taliban victory in our hearts. As I said before, if america dont get what it wants and leave the region, there will be a full blown huge civil war in afghanistan that nobody would have seen it before, on top of bloodshed in afghanistan, pakistan will suffer badly too even worse than this for a number of reasons.

 

[Sinnerman108]

\^^^

what I said was simple;
even if you are an ordinary user of the internet, did you use the same medium
to educate, or make them aware ?

Was the effort and will there ?
If Taliban weren't listening to any one, did the larger population form consensus ?

these are not easy questions to answer, and the root cause is even more difficult to analyze leave alone the solution.

Water under the bridge means what is gone is gone; can't reverse time.

However what we can do is learn; and this time enable all parties for a agreed solution.
Even if they fail to reach consensus, it is up to you, me and every one whose life will be effected to make the effort.

 

[Ahmad]

\^^^

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what I said was simple;
even if you are an ordinary user of the internet, did you use the same medium
to educate, or make them aware ?

what are you talking about bro? How could people educate the taliban while the taliban had gun on their(people's) head? You could educate the taliban if they accepted the reality taht they were wrong!! but they are in full fire to tell the whole world that they are the only rightful people. Why couldnt you educate TTP by the way?

If Taliban weren't listening to any one, did the larger population form consensus ?

they were beating women and men with cable for not following the talibani dress code or having not long enough beard, what could people do with them? it is easy to say something here, but if you had lived under the taliban for just one week, you'd have said something different from now.

Water under the bridge means what is gone is gone; can't reverse time.

very true, thats why i say lets have a fresh start and dont cheer for taliban victory.

 

[hillman32]

if america wont succed, that will mean a huge civil war in afghanistan with alot of bloodshed among the muslims. this bloodshed will directly be affecting pakistan and then god knows what would happen. so dont just pray for the defeat of america, as defeat of america is defeat of afghanistan and pakistan too.

I do not agree with you.

Afghans always fight. If no invader is there, than they fight among themselves.

That is the bad news, but it is their training.

They are the people who will fight in the Army is Iman Mehdhi.

 

[Ahmad]

I do not agree with you.

Afghans always fight. If no invader is there, than they fight among themselves.

That is the bad news, but it is their training.

They are the people who will fight in the Army is Iman Mehdhi.

that is the big problem with us. we dont anyalys things with cool head and start picking the arms and harm ourselves more than anybody else. if america leaves, as i said before, you will see a bloodshed to an unimaginable scale, that will hit your country hard too for a number of factors. what afghans do or do not, isnt my point here, what happes after the america is what worries me.

 

[Patriot]

that is the big problem with us. we dont anyalys things with cool head and start picking the arms and harm ourselves more than anybody else. if america leaves, as i said before, you will see a bloodshed to an unimaginable scale, that will hit your country hard too for a number of factors. what afghans do or do not, isnt my point here, what happes after the america is what worries me.

I think Afghanistan is in this condition today is due to conservative Afghans who tried to overthrow secular government and hence invited soviet invasion - After that it went downhill.

 

[Ahmad]

I think Afghanistan is in this condition today is due to conservative Afghans who tried to overthrow secular government and hence invited soviet invasion - After that it went downhill.

Cold war was a disaster to us. Perhaps if people of afghanistan were less religiouse or i should say moderate religious fellows along with having a higher literacy rate, things would probably be different. by passing everyday, afghanistanis widely beleive that they made a big mistake fighting the russians, we got destroyed for the last 30 years and so, and yet we are not free, so what was the point?the taliban were pupets, mujahideen were puppets, everybody was puppet of somebody. while everybody else got the fruit of soviet defeat and we got out country ruining and our people killed by milions during this time. you dont see any household which hasnt lost at least a member of the family during this time, losing your property and all livelihood is something every afghan have experienced.

 

[WAQAS119]

Taliban victory in Afghanistan will have the most negative effect on pakistan. Those Barbarians would like to takeover pakistan.

I dont know from your viewpoint that's good or bad.

Wrong---All the support in term of money and human resource Taliban are getting is due to the fact that Americans and NATO has invaded their country. But for attacking Pakistan they will not be able to gather these resources.

 

[hillman32]

that is the big problem with us. we dont anyalys things with cool head and start picking the arms and harm ourselves more than anybody else. if america leaves, as i said before, you will see a bloodshed to an unimaginable scale, that will hit your country hard too for a number of factors. what afghans do or do not, isnt my point here, what happes after the america is what worries me.

I respect your right to have an opinion.

US presence in Afghanistan is illegal, unethical and without any justification.

Why the hell they are here. They should go back to their continent.

Drama of Al-Queda and OBL involvement in 9-11 does not give right to US to invade a Country that too with UNO Security Council consent.

Mess in Afghanistan can be cleaned by Afghanis and their friends.

US, Russia and India have no role in Afghanistan.

Pakistan, Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia can help Afghanistan for creating peace and tranquility.

 

[Ahmad]

]I respect your right to have an opinion.

thanks to you and biggest thank to the internt.

US presence in Afghanistan is illegal, unethical and without any justification.[/COLOR]

there are alot of illegas in afghanistan done by the neighbours and other outside powers, but afghans dont want NATO to leave the country prematurely, that is a fact.

Why the hell they are here. They should go back to their continent.

Drama of Al-Queda and OBL involvement in 9-11 does not give right to US to invade a Country that too with UNO Security Council consent.

because they harrboured the terrorists which destroying my country as well as yours.

Mess in Afghanistan can be cleaned by Afghanis and their friends.

may i ask which friend of ours? we have no any friend. secondly, this mess cant be solved by the afghas for various reasons, being americans there is a chance for us to get the country back, if they leave without clearing the mess, that will affec us, pakistan and surely the west too badly.

US, Russia and India have no role in Afghanistan.

no body should have a negative role in afghanistan, hope you dont spare pakistan from this equastion. but havig posive role is always appreciatetd

Pakistan, Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia can help Afghanistan for creating peace and tranquility.

i am so pesemistic on all of them based on past experience with the exception of turkey.