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Indians forget that they were responsible for the formation of Deobandi extremism in Dar Uloom Deoband, Deoband UP, which serves as the ideological ammunition for the Taliban today. Not surprisingly, it was these Deoband extremists that opposed the formation of Pakistan; while Pakistan was (& still is) the hub of peaceful Barelvi Muslims & Sufi mystics.

 

[53fd]

Pakistan was doing just fine with its Sufi mystics & Barelvi Islam before Deobandi influence in India starting pervading into Pakistan as well. Ahmedis lived in Pakistan just fine along with Barelvis, Shias & all other non-Muslim minorities until the Deobandis came along in Pakistan.

This is what the Dar Uloom Deoband in UP, India says about Ahmedis on their website, which resulted in the discrimination of Ahmedis in Pakistan:

(Fatwa 332=307/N)

The Mirzais (Qadyanis, Ahmadiyas) are kafir. This issue is agreed upon by the Muslim Ummah.

These books may be useful: (1) Radd-e-Qadyaniat ke Zarrin Usool (2) Suboot Hazir Hain (3) Muhazarat of Darul Uloom on Qadyanism

Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'ala) knows Best

http://darulifta-deoband.org/showuserview.do?function=answerView&all=en&id=519

 

[53fd]

Hence, it is India that has been responsible for the birth of Islamic extremism in South Asia & the rest of the world, not Pakistan.

 

[53fd]

Darul Uloom Deoband: The Indian Source of the Taliban | Kabul Center for Strategic Studies

Darul Uloom Deoband: The Indian Source of the Taliban:


History of the Deobandi movement

The school was established in 1866, during the early period of India’s long struggle for independence from British colonial rule. The school’s founder, Maulana Mohammad Qasim Nanautvi, set up the center to establish a place where Muslims could retreat in order to escape what he believed was the corrupting encroachment of Western civilization. He wanted the school to become a place where Muslims could return to what he believed was the pure Islam, the Islam that was practiced by the Prophet and his companions. The founder must have touched on a deep longing, as the school quickly emerged as one of the most important centers of Islamic learning in the British Indian Empire.

A century later, when Britain was finally relinquishing its control on the sub-continent, the Deobandis sided with Mahama Gandhi against the leading Muslim politician at the time, Mohammad Ali Jinnah. Like Gandhi, the Deobandis opposed the idea partitioning India into two secular states, one especially for Muslims, to be called Pakistan, and the other, India – that would welcome all Indians, regardless of their beliefs.

The Deobandi scholars opposed the Jinnah plan because in their minds, there was nothing Islamic about a secular Muslim state. Maulana Husain Ahmad Madani, then head of the Deobandi movement, believed that the Islamic alternative was to have all Indians endeavor together to create a democratic state Indians of every faith. (Abdul Sattar Ghazali, Islamic Pakistan: IIlusions & Reality).

Jinnah would prevail. And so in 1947, when the subcontinent was divided, the Deobandis, elected not to move to the new state of Pakistan and instead they stayed in their traditional home, which was now in the new state of India. Soon the two new states were on hostile terms, over a dispute over which state should control the Himalayan state of Kashmir. What this meant to the Deobandis was that now followers of the movement in Pakistan had to create their own centers of learning – they no longer had the same access to the center in Deoband.

Instead of diminishing the movement’s influence, however, the international border that now bisected its sphere of influence may have strengthened the Deobandis. Now new leaders had additional space in which to grow without having to threaten the center’s power. Deobandi madrassas proliferated in the new environment and today, the force of the movement can be seen in the Deobandi madrassas that can be found, not just in India and Pakistan, but also in countries as far away as Europe and North American. An estimated 600 of Britain’s 1,350 mosques are identified as Deobandi mosques according to a London Times report. (The Times, Sep. 7, 2007).

Moreover, many of the Deobandi centers are characterized by the media as “hard-line.” (The Times, Sep. 7, 2007). This is because like the Taliban, many of the Deobandi madrassas have been linked to extremism. “Dirty bomber” Jose Padilla, for example, attended a Deobandi mosque in South Florida where he is said to have learned the interpretation of Islam that would steer him toward Al Qaeda, and land him a 17-year prison sentence for aiding terrorists. Kabul Center researchers wanted to find out what the Darul Uloom Deobandi leaders thought about the school’s various connections to terrorism and so they set out from Delhi in November.

Unfortunately, they arrived in Deoband a day earlier than expected. While the mufti, or head cleric of the school was unable to accommodate the last minute schedule changes, Adil Siddiqi, the public relations officer, was made available to the researchers. Mr. Siddiqi introduced himself, telling the researchers he has served the school in this capacity, for twenty years now, ever since he retired as an official in the Indian Ministry of Culture and Information.

A native of Deoband, Mr. Siddiqi, never attended the madrassa himself though, curiously, his father taught at the school.

He explained that he was educated in the secular system for “economic reasons” – the same reasons he chose to educate his own children – two boys and two girls – in the same state-run secular system as opposed to the Deobandi madrassa.

Like his father, he went on to say that he never imposed any religious views on his children. Though he identifies himself as a Deobandi, he never memorized the Koran and any religious education he has is “self-taught.”

In addition, he admitted that his lifestyle is not as pure as the Deobandis who stay at the center. While at the center all forms of entertainment are banned as they are considered to be corrupting. Mr. Siddiqi confessed to watching television at home – “the news,” he said, smiling. Here are excerpts from the researchers’ conversation with Mr. Siddiqi.

 

[Peshwa]

Hence, it is India that has been responsible for the birth of Islamic extremism in South Asia & the rest of the world, not Pakistan.

Pray tell then, why is it that we see extremist Muslims in abundance in Pakistan while the epicentre of such philosophy has not been able to convert the 3rd largest Muslim population in the world away from moderate values?

By your own admission, the situation of Indian Muslims is "far worse" than that of Pakistani Muslims.....so by your logic, India should be ripe with these extremists since Indian Muslims have all reasons that a Pakistani muslim faces (poverty, lack of education etc) that drive them towards religion based extremism...

What does that tell you?? Im really interested in hearing your rationale behind the hypothesis you just put out....

PS: WTF is Deobandi Islam doing on the Khalistan thread?

 

[53fd]

Pray tell then, why is it that we see extremist Muslims in abundance in Pakistan while the epicentre of such philosophy has not been able to convert the 3rd largest Muslim population in the world away from moderate values?

India was the architect of Islamic extremism with Dar Uloom Deoband, in Deoband UP. They opposed the creation of Pakistan in 1947, but unfortunately, they have been pervading into Pakistan, removing Pakistan's original peaceful Barelvi influence.

By your own admission, the situation of Indian Muslims is "far worse" than that of Pakistani Muslims.....so by your logic, India should be ripe with these extremists since Indian Muslims have all reasons that a Pakistani muslim faces (poverty, lack of education etc) that drive them towards religion based extremism...

Religious extremism is milked by authorities, such as the Wahabi based Saudi Arabian monarchy that served as the ideological ammunition for the Al-Qaeda, or whether it is India's Dar Uloom Deoband in UP that served as the ideological basis for the Taliban. The authorities 'milk' these tools of religious extremism to become powerful. The churches in the West have done the same, creating a Christian like Taliban that kills doctors who perform operations, or uses bombs against health centers where abortions take place etc. The Church doesn't make Christianity or Christians inherently bad, just as the Saudi Arabian monarchy or Dar Uloom Deoband doesn't make Islam or Muslims inherently bad.

PS: WTF is Deobandi Islam doing on the Khalistan thread?

These things were mentioned a few pages earlier, & my posts were a response to those queries.

 

[Prometheus]

@bilalhaider

But history of sikhism says that it was islamic extremism that responsible of rise of khalsa..??????

And that was 300 years ago!!!!!

 

[Peshwa]

India was the architect of Islamic extremism with Dar Uloom Deoband, in Deoband UP. They opposed the creation of Pakistan in 1947, but unfortunately, they have been pervading into Pakistan, removing Pakistan's original peaceful Barelvi influence.

What is the meaning of "India was the architect"....Why does India come into the picture? I thought pre-1947, there was no country called India...So the folks who came up with such Philosophy were Muslims of the subcontinent....some of whom moved to Pakistan

That still doesnt answer why India doesnt see extremism at the same level as Pakistan.....Can you please touch on this phenomenon?

Religious extremism is milked by authorities, such as the Wahabi based Saudi Arabian monarchy that served as the ideological ammunition for the Al-Qaeda, or whether it is India's Dar Uloom Deoband in UP that served as the ideological basis for the Taliban. The authorities 'milk' these tools of religious extremism to become powerful. The churches in the West have done the same, creating a Christian like Taliban that kills doctors who perform operations, or uses bombs against health centers where abortions take place etc. The Church doesn't make Christianity or Christians inherently bad, just as the Saudi Arabian monarchy or Dar Uloom Deoband doesn't make Islam or Muslims inherently bad.

I dont see how this answers my questions....Use of religion to control the masses has been the trait of religious leaders since the beginning of time...
So the phenomenon exists in India as much as Pakistan.....but we see diametrically opposite trends in Muslims of India and Pak although you claim that India is the epicenter of such philosophy...

Also...the misuse of philosophy cannot be blamed on India...or Indian institutions...It is the fault of the person that uses this Philosophy to spread terror...
No Indian institution has forced the Pakistanis into terrorism....so your statement....

it is India that has been responsible for the birth of Islamic extremism in South Asia & the rest of the world, not Pakistan.

is not just flawed but an attempt at projecting your own faults onto others....

 

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[Khalistan Patriot]

 

[foxbat]

Hence, it is India that has been responsible for the birth of Islamic extremism in South Asia & the rest of the world, not Pakistan.

The time you are talking of, father of Mr Jinnah was an Indian.. So India is responsible for creation o Pakistan. You exist because an Indian gave birth to your father of the nation who formed Pakistan...

 

[Kavin]

India was the architect of Islamic extremism with Dar Uloom Deoband, in Deoband UP.

Once upon a time, when Darul Uloom Deoband was created, India included Pakistan.

They opposed the creation of Pakistan in 1947

The real reason for their opposition to Partition was their desire to Islamise whole India...

aka Akhand PAKISTAN

but unfortunately, they have been pervading into Pakistan,

Lot of (Ex) Indian Muslims migrated to Pakistan, coz she is the LAND OF PURE EXTREMISTS. Darul Uloom Deoband is one of them.

removing Pakistan's original peaceful Barelvi influence

purifying your land

Religious extremism is milked by authorities, such as the Wahabi based Saudi Arabian monarchy that served as the ideological ammunition for the Al-Qaeda, or whether it is India's Dar Uloom Deoband in UP that served as the ideological basis for the Taliban. The authorities 'milk' these tools of religious extremism to become powerful. The churches in the West have done the same, creating a Christian like Taliban that kills doctors who perform operations, or uses bombs against health centers where abortions take place etc. The Church doesn't make Christianity or Christians inherently bad, just as the Saudi Arabian monarchy or Dar Uloom Deoband doesn't make Islam or Muslims inherently bad.

You're mixing facts, fantasy, jingoism in a sterile attempt.

 

[Prometheus]

Hahhahahahaha.........oh man that is funny.
Long live Simranjeet singh maan.......the saviour of sikhs.

We sent him to the damm parliament of India .....what the h ell he did there??????
Absolutly nothing.

 

[53fd]

That still doesnt answer why India doesnt see extremism at the same level as Pakistan.....Can you please touch on this phenomenon?

There is more than enough extremism in India. It's just much more 'localized'.

 

[Kavin]

The churches in the West have done the same, creating a Christian like Taliban that kills doctors who perform operations, or uses bombs against health centers where abortions take place etc. The Church doesn't make Christianity or Christians inherently bad, just as the Saudi Arabian monarchy or Dar Uloom Deoband doesn't make Islam or Muslims inherently bad.

But anti-abortionist executed in US (Paul Jennings Hill) unlike the GOOD TALIBANS, who are treated as Heroes in Pakistan