The Kanal Istanbul project should be stopped

[Ansu fati]

This canal project is only good for blackmailing russia and US
Russians have crimea on the north armenia on the east and pkk/assad on the south
they have almost encircled Turkey
Military base in ukraine and istanbul project is a must if we want to counter russian moves otherwise they will always have the upper hand/leverage
As for US they can use the canal in exchange for supporting turkish foregin policy in east med northern syria and other areas where TAF is present(somalia sudan...etc)
This perspective is not related to partisan politics it’s actually national level thinking
Yes there would be corruption and all related stuff but we are here talking about Turkey’s strategic interest

 

[Ravenman]

Only Gezi Idiots and climate fanatic Kaz Daglari hippies are against Kanal Istanbul.

Like almost everything these climate terrorists scream, most of it its fake, like their messias-like mayor and symbol Ekrem Papasoglou.

- Earth is heating up!
- Antarctica is melting!
- Kanal Istsnbul is bad!

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

Only Gezi Idiots and climate fanatic Kaz Daglari hippies are against Kanal Istanbul.

Like almost everything these climate terrorists scream, most of it its fake, like their messias-like mayor and symbol Ekrem Papasoglou.

- Earth is heating up!
- Antarctica is melting!
- Kanal Istsnbul is bad!

I'm not an environmentalist but this project is just stupid. Seriously it's a massively risky money out. And in terms of environmental impact, there's one that I would be worried about. According to scientists the sea of Marmara will take of rotten eggs after the canal is excavated.

This project is going to cost well over 10 billion dollars yet it will not give us any benefits. All this talk about rights to the bosporus are bullcrap. This is another huge rant project that's designed to keep AKP in power for years to come. Plus you can't divert traffic through the canal. The bosporus will continue to be used, it's free to pass through and it's much quicker.

I used to support this project at the start after watching some stuff on YouTube, but all their statements have turned out to be lies.

Those billions should go to our defenc industry and army!

 

[Mr.NiceGuy]

Bro Turkey is broke right now. Even has no money to support her collapsing economy to recover. What in the world she can finance a project which might coast approximately 10billion USD. Even might be more than it.

So that's why U.S. Banks financing that project and 2 months ago they have said that they are ready to do it.

Only a brain dead living organism would support this project.

 

[himate]

Oh here we go another pro-AKP troll. Typical Islamist who sucks American d!ck.

Buddy, why should Turkey dig up a canal that's gonna cost billions and ruin the Marmara sea just for America's sake?

You do realise that in a time of war allied ships can pass through anyway? Ffs man these AKP fanatics are fed a special type of propaganda which kills brain cells.

Sounds like my comment hit the nerve of a typical secularist. You created a thread and i put my argument forward and you have to reply with insults. Didn't your Atta teach you how to debate in a civilise manner? You and other secularist can spread your propaganda and insults others here knowing that the moderator will protect you. Actually i dont blame people like you, I blame Erdogan and co for tolerating and appeasing your type of culture all across Turkey.

You claim allied ships can pass through the (Bosporus) canal at time of war. Well, My point is that would be too late, at times of war allied ships can pass through land if needs be. There are no more rules once war starts so who care whats allowed and what not. Your point is worthless

Also i never mentioned favoring america in my post. Islamist and America are at war with each other for last 20 to 30 years. It is your type people in turkey who suck America in private as you both share the same values and vision

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

Sounds like my comment hit the nerve of a typical secularist. You created a thread and i put my argument forward and you have to reply with insults. Didn't your Atta teach you how to debate in a civilise manner? You and other secularist can spread your propaganda and insults others here knowing that the moderator will protect you. Actually i dont blame people like you, I blame Erdogan and co for tolerating and appeasing your type of culture all across Turkey.

You claim allied ships can pass through the (Bosporus) canal at time of war. Well, My point is that would be too late, at times of war allied ships can pass through land if needs be. There are no more rules once war starts so who care whats allowed and what not. Your point is worthless

Also i never mentioned favoring america in my post. Islamist and America are at war with each other for last 20 to 30 years. It is your type people in turkey who suck America in private as you both share the same values and vision

What a bunch of nonsense lol. Seriously, yeah let's spend billions just so some American ships can enter the black sea for more than 21(?) days.

America literally put AKP in power and here you are talking about secularists supporting America. AKP was placed in power in order to defeat the Kemalist military and lead to a less potent Turkey..

 

[Dante80]

The gist of the matter is, I (and I believe many others) can think of a lot of other projects that would serve a better fiduciary function for the monies involved.

President Erdogan is essentially talking about building an expensive canal next to a natural strait, duplicating a function that already exists. This is akin to Morocco building a canal from Fnideq to Ksar el Majaz, so as to solve some territorial problems with Spain and try to secure Ceuta.

The whole thing does not make any fiscal sense. And given the diplomatic state of the straits themselves, it really doesn't make any strategic sense either.

 

[himate]

What a bunch of nonsense lol. Seriously, yeah let's spend billions just so some American ships can enter the black sea for more than 21(?) days.

America literally put AKP in power and here you are talking about secularists supporting America. AKP was placed in power in order to defeat the Kemalist military and lead to a less potent Turkey..

So tell me whats your opinion regarding montreux treaty? is it a bad thing or good thing for Turkey? who benefits the most from it? How would we get rid of this treaty? what is the treaty costing us long term in terms money and miltary?

Give me some informed answers and not your trade mark answers of a childish typical kemalist propaganda?

 

[Goku]

With upcoming Russian Military base in Latakia ,Syria , they wont be dependent on Turks for access to Mediterranean sea.
Russia can always station their naval assets here.
Route 1 : Caspian sea - Iran - Iraq - Syria
Route : Russia - Georgia - Armenia - Iran - iraq -Syria

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

 

[Saithan]

Listening to military strategist is also smart leadership. Or like in this case the retired admiral.

 

[Ansu fati]

With upcoming Russian Military base in Latakia ,Syria , they wont be dependent on Turks for access to Mediterranean sea.
Russia can always station their naval assets here.
Route 1 : Caspian sea - Iran - Iraq - Syria
Route : Russia - Georgia - Armenia - Iran - iraq -Syria

In theory this is correct but these routes won’t be used by russians unless they have no other option
These countries you mentioned aren’t norway/sweden russians would have to employ lots of air assets to secure the transit of naval ships in other news it would be 100x more risky and expensive

 

[Saithan]

Sometimes the greatest loss is the lack of subtitles. Ex admiral Cem Gürdeniz explains the philosophy behind naval actions very clearly.

 

[ÇölKaplanı]

This canal project is only good for blackmailing russia and US
Russians have crimea on the north armenia on the east and pkk/assad on the south
they have almost encircled Turkey
Military base in ukraine and istanbul project is a must if we want to counter russian moves otherwise they will always have the upper hand/leverage
As for US they can use the canal in exchange for supporting turkish foregin policy in east med northern syria and other areas where TAF is present(somalia sudan...etc)
This perspective is not related to partisan politics it’s actually national level thinking
Yes there would be corruption and all related stuff but we are here talking about Turkey’s strategic interest

This project will have no benefit to us whatsoever. We are out of money and thanks to Erdogan we have no backup money left to use in emergencies too and now we had to put our population in danger because of this.
We have a pandemic going on and you guys still think we need to fund a project that won't benefit our country. The only people who will benefit are Erdogan and his dogs. The only countries that will benefit from this are NATO(US) and Russia.
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