The JF-17 is a truly remarkable plane

[ejaz007]

See you in 2017 then buddy!

I will not disagree that it is "one of the best" in the region but not THE best as you had claimed.

Look forward to it.

 

[Windjammer]

I will not disagree that it is "one of the best" in the region but not THE best as you had claimed.

And unlike others, it's a combat tested and decisively proven platform as well. !!

 

[Abingdonboy]

And unlike others, it's a combat tested and decisively proven platform as well. !!

That it is (thanks to the Americans' fondness for conflict)but others have just not had their chance to prove themselves in a combat environment in professional hands- and long may it stay that way!!

 

[silent poison]

I know it is difficult for you to digest being an Indian but yes we can sell it to any country we wish to.

Russia did not stop China from handing over JF-17 equipped with Russian engines to Pakistan and it won't stop China or Pakistan from selling them to third country. Business is business.

I will borrow your last words Business is Business " If you sell Jf-17 to a country that otherwise will go for a Russian Jet " the Russian in the sense of Businnes will not sell the Engines to China ( Anyway china even realised and Ws-13 is in making )

Take example of Burma Russian are selling Mig-29 to them and if you sell Jf-17 y the hell will Russia supply engine . When the most probable market Jf-17 can hit is occupied by Russian Jets .

 

[SQ8]

Engine, avionics and the radar on JF-17 - tell me, who is the OEM for them?

As for the production costs and intellectual property for JF-17 - I'm all ears. Do we need to add here that perhaps it's 40% Saudi?

Saudi, clearly you shooting an automatic rifle full of bull here.. where did the Saudi come from?

 

[Windjammer]

That it is (thanks to the Americans' fondness for conflict)but others have just not had their chance to prove themselves in a combat environment in professional hands- and long may it stay that way!!

Then i guess we will never know since in mutual exercises, they say boards don't hit back and now it's a fact that something like a Cobra maneuver at combat speed could break the harness and smash pilot's face into the panel and also rattle the airframe and avionics.....none the less it looks impressive at low speed.

 

[Basel]

tell u what mate, u hav got your facts wrong, your f16s cannot even intercept mig25 which now hav been retired by IAF. go read about 1997 incident.

Don't compare apples with oranges mate, your post shows you don't know about capabilities of PAF's F-16 previously and now, also Mig-25 could have brought down with SAMs but Govt. don't show balls to do that, also Mig-25 is not operational with IAF and it was just a surveillance jet.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Then i guess we will never know since in mutual exercises, they say boards don't hit back and now it's a fact that something like a Cobra maneuver at combat speed could break the harness and smash pilot's face into the panel and also rattle the airframe and avionics.....none the less it looks impressive at low speed.

Super manoeuvrability is about much more than just the Cobra manoeuvre which, as you say, is little more than a crowd pleaser at air shows and isn't all that useful in real life combat scenarios.

 

[ejaz007]

I will borrow your last words Business is Business " If you sell Jf-17 to a country that otherwise will go for a Russian Jet " the Russian in the sense of Businnes will not sell the Engines to China ( Anyway china even realised and Ws-13 is in making )

Take example of Burma Russian are selling Mig-29 to them and if you sell Jf-17 y the hell will Russia supply engine . When the most probable market Jf-17 can hit is occupied by Russian Jets .

JF-17 shall not be competing against Russian jets every where. There shall be competitions where Russia might not show interest.

WS-13 is not yet operational. Russian dependence shall end the day JF-17 flies with WS-13.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Its a little weird that Pakistani members are 1st to bring in LCA in a thread about JF 17 when the 2 projects have little similarity. One is a design technology attempt by India and the other is a Manufacturing JV with China for an all together different purpose than design technology advancement.

While not completely same, the closest comparison, if at all needed with an Indian project, would be with the manufacturing JV that India has with Russia for Su 30 MKI. While there are some differences there as well, specially in terms of financial arrangements and IP rights, construct wise, India does the same for SU 30 MKIs that Pakistan has done for JF 17. Except probably since India has been manufacturing SU 30 MKI for much longer, the percentage indigenous production of SU 30 MKI in India is somewhat higher that indigenous production of JF 17 in Pakistan

You Stole my EXACT Thoughts.

 

[Basel]

IAF's MiG-29UPGs and upgraded Mirage 2000s (-5 Mk.2) match, if not surpass the Blk.52. This is without talking about the Indian Navy's MiG-29K/KUB and IAF's Rafale purchase.

IAF don't have any plane other then MKI superior to what current F-16 have, they can handle your IN Mig-29 too specially the 52+. They are purchased with equipment as per threat they have to face, do you think PAF did not know what they will be facing?? just pure fan boy stuff.

 

[IPL5]

IAF don't have any plane other then MKI superior to what current F-16 have, they can handle your IN Mig-29 too specially the 52+. They are purchased with equipment as per threat they have to face, do you think PAF did not know what they will be facing?? just pure fan boy stuff.

Lol...just 18 f16s blk 52 with strings attached

 

[Basel]

Lol...just 18 f16s blk 52 with strings attached

if that make u feel happy then so be it, but that is not reality, all upgraded ones can carry all avionics what 52+ have only few things will be carried in PODs when needed.

 

[Abingdonboy]

IAF don't have any plane other then MKI superior to what current F-16 have, they can handle your IN Mig-29 too specially the 52+. They are purchased with equipment as per threat they have to face, do you think PAF did not know what they will be facing?? just pure fan boy stuff.

Don't just spout of what you want to believe- provide me with specifics where the Blk.52s are superior to the IAF's MiG-29UPGs and Mirage 2000-5 Mk.2s or the IN's MiG-29K/KUBs. You're the only one putting out fan boy logic out there.

 

[silent poison]

JF-17 shall not be competing against Russian jets every where. There shall be competitions where Russia might not show interest.

WS-13 is not yet operational. Russian dependence shall end the day JF-17 flies with WS-13.

I buy that claim .... But , give me one country where the Jf-17 will not face Russians Jets ?