The Invasion of Pakistan

[nair]

Taliban is but a part of big terror infrastructure created by Pakistan to further its strategic objectives in neighboring countries.

Taliban created to further Pakistani interests in Afghanistan, (but were forced abandon in after math of 9/11), has severed severe blow back on the Pakistani state.

But this is just the beginning, when and if Kashmiri Jihadi groups that have been nurtured to wage war against India, turn against the Pakistani state..consequences will be far worse.

Pakistani state still has time to gradually abandon and dismantle these terror networks...before rise of another 'TTP' becomes inevitable.

I normally do not agree with you, but i agree 100% here..... If i am allowed to add , The partner in crime (read US of A) knows how to wash their hands off and act as the most matured nation around the world.....

 

[Thoryalai Zazai]

Taliban is a manifestation of Pashtun nationalism. Islamism is only a garb to cover the real nature of Pashtun traditional/tribal practices..

I can't agree with you there, for traditional Pashtun Nationalism was always secular by nature and focused on Afghanistan. The Taliban are more interested in spreading their ideology across Afghanistan and Pakistan, rather than focusing on Afghanistan alone.

 

[OrionHunter]

Just like hindustan funded hinduists terrorists to massacre Muslims in Kashmir and inside hindustan.

Another gem from another PDF 'Think Tank Analyst'!!

Jeeez! Where's PDF heading?

 

[OrionHunter]

Pakistan's elites have spent decades fretting about an invasion from India, but it turns out they have invited their own invasion from within. By striking a Faustian bargain with the Taliban, the military and intelligence services have created a force that now attacks their own people.

Pakistan created this Frankenstein. The military intelligence agency, ISI, funded and armed Islamist terrorists to fight India in Kashmir and then protected the Taliban to gain leverage in Afghanistan. The military has continued this double game of sheltering terrorists even as the terrorists have turned their sights on Pakistan.

The only way out for Pakistan is:

> Stop terrorist infiltration into India which results in cease fire violations.
> Sign a 'No War Pact' with India.
> Then redeploy troops, at least two divisions, from the LoC and IB to Waziristan and other insurgency areas.
> Block all ingress/egress routes of the TTP/IMU from and to Afghanistan as sufficient troops would be available.
> Go for an all out offensive with all available ground forces.
> After which, establish semi permanent bases of sufficient strength in Waziristan/Balochistan with the Army and/or FC until such time the situation stabilizes. This may take a couple of years.

However, and unfortunately, the first two points above will never be agreed to by the Establishment and therefore, the remainder points mentioned are academic in nature. Which is a pity.

Otherwise there's no way Pakistan can win this war against the terrorists. Period!

 

[Farooq]

The only way out for Pakistan is:

> Stop terrorist infiltration into India which results in cease fire violations.
> Sign a 'No War Pact' with India.
> Then redeploy troops, at least two divisions, from the LoC and IB to Waziristan and other insurgency areas.
> Block all ingress/egress routes of the TTP/IMU from and to Afghanistan as sufficient troops would be available.
> Go for an all out offensive with all available ground forces.
> After which, establish semi permanent bases of sufficient strength in Waziristan/Balochistan with the Army and/or FC until such time the situation stabilizes. This may take a couple of years.

However, and unfortunately, the first two points above will never be agreed to by the Establishment and therefore, the remainder points mentioned are academic in nature. Which is a pity.

Otherwise there's no way Pakistan can win this war against the terrorists. Period!

You may be surprised of my POV, but I agree that Pakistan should NOT fund any group to infiltrate into Indian territory to cause chaos.

However, you must accept that India needs to agree to stop funding the TTP and BLA through Afghanistan.

Even, US Defense Secretary, Chuck Hagel pointed out India's involvement of funding TTP and BLA


thaali dho haath say bajthihay mere bhai

 

[janon]

You may be surprised of my POV, but I agree that Pakistan should NOT fund any group to infiltrate into Indian territory to cause chaos.

However, you must accept that India needs to agree to stop funding the TTP and BLA through Afghanistan.

Even, US Defense Secretary, Chuck Hagel pointed out India's involvement of funding TTP and BLA


thaali dho haath say bajthihay mere bhai

Replace the word "even" with 'only', and it would make better sense.

That was one man's opinion, before he became defence secretary. He was not speaking in an official capacity. In fact, his appoinment as defence secretary was nearly waylaid because of that remark. After that speech was dug up later, he was heavily criticized for the remarks. The US govt or administration has never made any such statement against India. But they have made direct accusation of ISI and its proxies indulging in terrorism in Afghanistan.

Chuck Hagel criticised for India-Afghanistan remarks - Telegraph
Chuck Hagel confirmed in Washington, but doubts remain in India - The Washington Post

US slams Pakistan for 'supporting' Haqqani - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English
Haqqani network is a “veritable arm” of ISI: Mullen - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
U.S. says Pakistan's ISI supported Kabul embassy attack| Reuters
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2011/09/admiral_mullen_pakis.php

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

This article from Dawn would make an interesting read :
We're not moving towards civil war, we're in it - Blogs - DAWN.COM

 

[Farooq]

Replace the word "even" with 'only', and it would make better sense.

That was one man's opinion, before he became defence secretary. He was not speaking in an official capacity. In fact, his appoinment as defence secretary was nearly waylaid because of that remark. After that speech was dug up later, he was heavily criticized for the remarks. The US govt or administration has never made any such statement against India. But they have made direct accusation of ISI and its proxies indulging in terrorism in Afghanistan.

Chuck Hagel criticised for India-Afghanistan remarks - Telegraph
Chuck Hagel confirmed in Washington, but doubts remain in India - The Washington Post

US slams Pakistan for 'supporting' Haqqani - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English
Haqqani network is a “veritable arm” of ISI: Mullen - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
U.S. says Pakistan's ISI supported Kabul embassy attack| Reuters
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2011/09/admiral_mullen_pakis.php

you pretty much proved my point...

a country that traditionally supports India has spoken against it.... that speaks volumes about India's involvement in Afghanistan against Pakistan...

so before bitching about non-state actors in Kashmir, stop your non-state actors in Afghanistan

 

[janon]

you pretty much proved my point...

a country that traditionally supports India has spoken against it.... that speaks volumes about India's involvement in Afghanistan against Pakistan...

so before bitching about non-state actors in Kashmir, stop your non-state actors in Afghanistan

Sigh. Read my post again. The "country" did not speak against India, one individual did - for which he faced heavy criticism from his own country's establishment. My point directly contradicts your assertion, and does not prove it.

If it soothes you to keep deluding yourself that India is just as bad, by all means do so. But the reality is quite evident, about which country is suffering the blowback of its actions and the fruits of the evil it cultivated.

 

[chhota bheem]

you pretty much proved my point...

a country that traditionally supports India has spoken against it.... that speaks volumes about India's involvement in Afghanistan against Pakistan...

so before bitching about non-state actors in Kashmir, stop your non-state actors in Afghanistan

Thats the problem ,Pakistan belived they defeated USSR in afganistan ,,, and after USSR withdrawl from Afg,Pakistan tought they can do the same in Kashmir,and turned the heaven on earth into helll,India took loses in the begining,then they strated mastering the art,and started giving back in the same coin.which unfortunately Pakistan is not able to take.
After mastering the poxywar we realised why Pakistan is failing while we are succeding ,the reason is simple noo where in the world you will see any country keep its poxis on its soil and wage a proxy war with another country with their help.

 

[JanjaWeed]

The country created the Taliban that now aims to destroy it.

Pakistan's elites have spent decades fretting about an invasion from India, but it turns out they have invited their own invasion from within. By striking a Faustian bargain with the Taliban, the military and intelligence services have created a force that now attacks their own people.

The Pakistani Taliban on Monday took responsibility for the Sunday assault on the country's largest international airport in Karachi. In six hours of fighting at least 28 people died, including the 10 attackers. "It's just the beginning," said Shahidullah Shahid, a spokesman for the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, an offspring of the Afghan Taliban.

Pakistan created this Frankenstein. The military intelligence agency, ISI, funded and armed Islamist terrorists to fight India in Kashmir and then protected the Taliban to gain leverage in Afghanistan. The military has continued this double game of sheltering terrorists even as the terrorists have turned their sights on Pakistan.

The Taliban has repeatedly struck the military's headquarters in Rawalpindi, most recently with a suicide bombing last week. In 2011 it laid siege to the navy air base in Karachi. Terror has become a fact of daily life. Also on Sunday, some 25 Shiite pilgrims were killed by Taliban militants in the western province of Baluchistan.

The Pakistani military has fought the Taliban, sometimes bravely, and in recent weeks launched airstrikes in the Taliban-controlled western tribal regions. Yet it has never attempted a serious counterinsurgency or ground campaign. The ISI provides safe haven for the Afghan Taliban and its leader Mullah Omar, probably in Quetta. The Taliban-allied Haqqani network is protected by the Pakistani state.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif came into office last June looking to negotiate peace with the Taliban. He got his answer in Karachi. The Islamists want to overthrow the state and capture the country's nuclear arsenal. Yet both a government minister and a senior military official separately on Monday suggested that "a foreign hand" (i.e., India) was behind the Karachi strike. If Pakistanis want to avoid a radical takeover, they need to end the self-delusion and plot a new strategy to defeat the terrorists they created.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-invasion-of-pakistan-1402355993

People protected by 100s of elite force and other kinds of security personals with big Fat bank accounts local and abroad can't seem to see what and average pakistani is going through, until and when they face this monster directly and are threatened no military action is forthcoming any time soon.

A brutally honest article... However this is one of those realities which would rather be ignored by turning a blind eye to it!

 

[OrionHunter]

You may be surprised of my POV, but I agree that Pakistan should NOT fund any group to infiltrate into Indian territory to cause chaos.

However, you must accept that India needs to agree to stop funding the TTP and BLA through Afghanistan.

Even, US Defense Secretary, Chuck Hagel pointed out India's involvement of funding TTP and BLA


thaali dho haath say bajthihay mere bhai

Agreed, but that is if we are funding them which is in the realms of speculation. Pakistan has not provided an iota of evidence to that effect!

 

[Farooq]

Agreed, but that is if we are funding them which is in the realms of speculation. Pakistan has not provided an iota of evidence to that effect!

Chuck Hagel provided evidence of India's involvement.

You guys are quick to believe US' word when it is against Pakistan, but when it comes to your own country the US is suddenly discredited

India took loses in the begining,then they strated mastering the art,and started giving back in the same coin.which unfortunately Pakistan is not able to take.

Oh! so your admitting India's involvement in funding TTP and BLA.. Good for you kid!

Now go preach the truth to your fellow Indians who live in denial

 

[chhota bheem]

Chuck Hagel provided evidence of India's involvement.

You guys are quick to believe US' word when it is against Pakistan, but when it comes to your own country the US is suddenly discredited

Like please for the bold part.

 

[IND151]

The country created the Taliban that now aims to destroy it.

Pakistan's elites have spent decades fretting about an invasion from India, but it turns out they have invited their own invasion from within. By striking a Faustian bargain with the Taliban, the military and intelligence services have created a force that now attacks their own people.

The Pakistani Taliban on Monday took responsibility for the Sunday assault on the country's largest international airport in Karachi. In six hours of fighting at least 28 people died, including the 10 attackers. "It's just the beginning," said Shahidullah Shahid, a spokesman for the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, an offspring of the Afghan Taliban.

Pakistan created this Frankenstein. The military intelligence agency, ISI, funded and armed Islamist terrorists to fight India in Kashmir and then protected the Taliban to gain leverage in Afghanistan. The military has continued this double game of sheltering terrorists even as the terrorists have turned their sights on Pakistan.

The Taliban has repeatedly struck the military's headquarters in Rawalpindi, most recently with a suicide bombing last week. In 2011 it laid siege to the navy air base in Karachi. Terror has become a fact of daily life. Also on Sunday, some 25 Shiite pilgrims were killed by Taliban militants in the western province of Baluchistan.

The Pakistani military has fought the Taliban, sometimes bravely, and in recent weeks launched airstrikes in the Taliban-controlled western tribal regions. Yet it has never attempted a serious counterinsurgency or ground campaign. The ISI provides safe haven for the Afghan Taliban and its leader Mullah Omar, probably in Quetta. The Taliban-allied Haqqani network is protected by the Pakistani state.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif came into office last June looking to negotiate peace with the Taliban. He got his answer in Karachi. The Islamists want to overthrow the state and capture the country's nuclear arsenal. Yet both a government minister and a senior military official separately on Monday suggested that "a foreign hand" (i.e., India) was behind the Karachi strike. If Pakistanis want to avoid a radical takeover, they need to end the self-delusion and plot a new strategy to defeat the terrorists they created.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/the-invasion-of-pakistan-1402355993

People protected by 100s of elite force and other kinds of security personals with big Fat bank accounts local and abroad can't seem to see what and average pakistani is going through, until and when they face this monster directly and are threatened no military action is forthcoming any time soon.

Nothing new in artcle.

It is foolish to think that Pakistan will give up using the sword of SPT (a double edge one); it has been tool of its foreign policy for decades now.

Bad Taliban(TTP) will be targeted but good Taliban (Afghan Taliban) will keep enjoying ties with Pakistani Deep State. Bear in mind that obsession of strategic depth is still prevalent in highest echelons of deep state.