The illicit wine-makers of Pakistan's north

[v9s]

Some of the finest grapes in that region............ these people lack some modern techniques to give the product an edge, however, unique product nonetheless!

And before all of you go "Al-Haza-Haram", wine is not haram, it may not be preferred, nonetheless, not haram...... and let's not get into Ijtehad and stuff either, it's a moot point, there never has been an elected Mujtahid to begin with.

It IS indeed haram. Please do not spread ignorance by preaching about what you clearly don't know.

 

[VCheng]

abay chup kar rang main bhang dalnay a jata ha kala. technique or no technique tharrraaaaaaaaaaaaaa can survive

It is not just grapes in the mountain valleys, you should look into what potent moonshine (tharra) is created from sugarcanes and oranges down in the plains.

 

[Hyperion]

You both and others like you - You people need to get your barometer right and understand the meaning of "Haram", haram as in forbidden, as in punishable offense. I don't know which version of Islam your kind follows, however, I follow the only version that I understand to be true till the ends of time, that can not be corrupted, that comes from The Holy Quran and established daily life activities of The Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH (As in Salat + Zakat + Judgements on record). Period. No 'so called' Sunnah that is derived from medieval methodology called the art of "Hadees writing" or whatever you want to call that compilation called saha-sitta. Don't worry, I've spent better part of my life understanding the proofs of concept behind it, and have come to a conclusion that ANYTHING that does not conform 100% to the Holy Quran, can not be true, and if a person can lie once (various authors of Hadees), they could and would have lied many times more as well, for example do you believe that in saha sitta, Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj states that "black dogs are a manifestation of evil in animal form, that need to be killed" the hadees being an authentic hadees..... do you really think that Prophet Muhammad PBUH ever ever ever said such a thing (as per your limited brain capacity)?

You people are nothing but automatons, where you people blindly follow pagan Arab mythology with a mixture of your local Pakistani culture (which in fact is Indian, by the way), attribute falsely to Prophet Muhammad PBUH, and label yourselves as true believers.

If you want to talk about the topic at hand, I can argue for days at end, but you people don't have the mental or moral competency to argue with me.

And you consider yourself Imam Mahdi or Another prophet to change Shariah of Rasool Allah. No need of Ijtehad in this matter. Clear verdict of the Quran and Sunnah is present. Every intoxicant is Haram.
Personal attacks like illiterate mullah or something like that, are expected from you people.

It IS indeed haram. Please do not spread ignorance by preaching about what you clearly don't know.

 

[haviZsultan]

Some of the finest grapes in that region............ these people lack some modern techniques to give the product an edge, however, unique product nonetheless!

And before all of you go "Al-Haza-Haram", wine is not haram, it may not be preferred, nonetheless, not haram...... and let's not get into Ijtehad and stuff either, it's a moot point, there never has been an elected Mujtahid to begin with.

I think you may be right. The rules of Islam are changing according to modern times which makes Islam a very amendable religion as it is supposed to change according to times. But you might add that cigarette has been banned. It hurts the person in more ways than helps him.

 

[Zibago]

@Ifrit @Imran Khan gand peo gay?

 

[Imran Khan]

@Ifrit @Imran Khan gand peo gay?

گانڈ ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟یہ کوئی پینے کی چیز ہے ؟

 

[Maarkhoor]

گانڈ ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟یہ کوئی پینے کی چیز ہے ؟

offer hey bhai just spelling mistake

 

[Zibago]

گانڈ ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟یہ کوئی پینے کی چیز ہے ؟

Oh bawa ji gand as in ye gandi cheez hay oh bawa ji kasmay 21 topaan di salaami tuano

offer hey bhai just spelling mistake

Menu ki pata sigha uncle noan ey peen pilaan da shook ey

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

"People have maintained this tradition after the conversion to Islam," he explains.

O believers enter into Islam completely and do not follow the footsteps of Shaitan, surely he is your clear-cut enemy. (Surah Al-Baqara, Ayah 208)

Some of the finest grapes in that region............ these people lack some modern techniques to give the product an edge, however, unique product nonetheless!

And before all of you go "Al-Haza-Haram", wine is not haram, it may not be preferred, nonetheless, not haram...... and let's not get into Ijtehad and stuff either, it's a moot point, there never has been an elected Mujtahid to begin with.

Wine is haram and you are wrong! These are those matters that are not disputed like namaz; to the point that non-muslims know.

“O you who believe! Intoxicants (all kinds of alcoholic drinks), and gambling, and Al‑Ansaab (stone altars for sacrifices to idols etc), and Al‑Azlaam (arrows for seeking luck or decision) are an abomination of Shaytaan’s handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successful” [al-Maa’idah 5:90]

Hadith explanation of the above surah:

Abu Dawood (3674) and Ibn Maajah (3380) narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: The Nabi (as'salaathu was'salaam) said: “Allaah has cursed alcohol, the one who drinks it, the one who pours it, the one who sells it, the one who buys it, the one who squeezes (the grapes etc), the one for whom it is squeezed, the one who carries it and the one to whom it is carried.” Abu Dawood.

 

[Donatello]

These people are Wajib-ul-Cuddle, right @Imran Khan

 

[CHI RULES]

Actually I don't drink, however, that's not reason enough to label everything I don't like as "Al-Haza-Harraaaaaaaaaaam"!

U don;t drink so pls don;t give encouraging remarks for it.. May be Hallal haram changes from country to country and even in classes in Pak. As drinking is Hallal in Muree elite hotels and same for some northern areas like Hunza.
Despite Hallal/Harram it is dangerous for health as using religious quotes may show someone to be fanatic or backward person.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

No 'so called' Sunnah that is derived from medieval methodology called the art of "Hadees writing" or whatever you want to call that compilation called saha-sitta.

As you are a rejector of hadith out of ignorance. Hadith in arabic means sayings. So when we say hadith, we mean the statements, actions of the Nabi as'salaathu- was'salaam. So to reject or show disrespect is kufr.

Saheeh in arabic means correct/authentic and Sitta in arabic means 6. Saheeh sitta is a culmination of 6 authentic hadith collectors; Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawood, Ibn Majah, Tirmizi and Nisai.

Now show us where in the Quran Allah mentions 5 namaz? Where in the Quran Allah mentions how to do namaz?

 

[CHI RULES]

As per my limited religious knowledge the punishment for drinking was finalized in Hazrat Ommar;s rule.
A person after drinking if could differentiate between white and off white clothe was not used to be punished as Islam prohibits substances which bring a man out of his senses.

However Hazrat Abu Jandal R.A got punished for drinking and left habit of drinking after much latter years. The beauty of Islam is that u may come back to it any time before death if u make confession with sincere heart and never repeat a sin.

 

[Hyperion]

Lol, I knew where you were going to come from next.

Now for your understanding............ is Hadees the basis of understanding Sunnah and pillars of Islam? Or is the established doings of Prophet Muhammad PBUH Sunnah (let's say established facts as witnessed by first generation Muslims), or is Sunnah only what is narrated by Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmizi et al.

I will leave the rest to the best of your judgement (or lack thereof)...........

Peace and knowledge be with you. With this we conclude today's fatwa and Islam 101!

Now show us where in the Quran Allah mentions 5 namaz? Where in the Quran Allah mentions how to do namaz?

By the way, only deviation from Tauheed is Kufr. You just became a non Muslim with that statement of yours. Did you know that?

we mean the statements, actions of the Nabi as'salaathu- was'salaam. So to reject or show disrespect is kufr.

 

[VCheng]

Now show us where in the Quran Allah mentions 5 namaz? Where in the Quran Allah mentions how to do namaz?

Now those are great questions. If the Quran does not mention it ............