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What will Israel do with $38 billion from the US?

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F-35 fighter jet. (photo credit:LOCKHEED MARTIN)


A massive sigh of relief was let out Wednesday night at the Kirya IDF headquarters in Tel Aviv. For years, the IDF has been strategizing and planning what it would do with the $38 billion the United States pledged it will provide Israel over the next decade. But until the deal was signed on Wednesday, there was always the possibility that the new aid package would be postponed until the next US president took office and then possibly even longer.

Now, the IDF can move ahead with its plans. Here is part of its shopping list:

F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter

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In June, the Israel Air Force took receipt of its first F-35 fifth-generation stealth fighter jet, in a festive ceremony in Forth Worth, Texas. This is the future plane of the air force and is expected to serve as its strategic workhorse over the next 30-to-40 years.

While the planes are expected to begin arriving in Israel at the end of the year, Israel has so far only ordered 33 F-35s and is looking to up that number to at least 50.

In addition, the IAF is seriously looking – partially due to some encouragement from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu – at the F-35B, a short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) version of the aircraft, meaning that it does not need a full runway to take off and land.

This is important, given the possibility that in a future war, Israel is expected to face missile onslaughts against its air force bases and runways but will still need combat aircraft to take off and land for bombing raids and other missions.

V-22 Osprey

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Israel has shown interest in purchasing the Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey tiltrotor aircraft for several years now. Former defense minister Moshe Ya’alon and then IDF chief of staff Benny Gantz enjoyed test flights and were both supporters of the deal. Now that the aid package has been finalized, the IDF can dust off those plans.

What makes the V-22 unique is its ability to take off and land like a helicopter, but then lower its blades, align them with the aircraft and fly at speeds and altitudes like an airplane. Surrounded by a growing anti-aircraft threat in Syria, Lebanon, Gaza and beyond, the IAF sees the V-22 as a means for getting special forces in and out of enemy territory as well as for searchand- rescue operations. Its ability to land vertically enables it to drop soldiers in an exact location or to pick up a downed fighter pilot, and its ability to fly fast means it can get to safety quicker than a helicopter.

The IAF is looking to purchase just half a dozen V-22s for now and the US has already agreed to accelerate delivery and possibly take aircraft off of the Marines assembly line, if an order is made.

Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs) and bunker busters

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In addition to purchasing large aircraft and other weaponry, the foreign military aid Israel receives from the US is also traditionally used to stock up on JDAMs, kits that turn bombs into “smart bombs.”

In May, 2015, Israel ordered $1.8 billion worth of precision guided munitions and bombs, including bunker busters, bombs that have the ability to penetrate underground fortifications, like Hamas and Hezbollah command centers.

Facing enemies like Hamas and Hezbollah which embed themselves within civilian populations, Israel is relying more-and-more on accurate weaponry like JDAMs to ensure that the IDF kills its intended targets without civilian casualties and collateral damage.

The JDAM, essentially a kit that is installed on freefall bombs, turns them into precision-guided weapons that can be launched from standoff positions. At a time when Israel’s adversaries are believed to have sophisticated anti-aircraft weapons, the ability to attack targets from a distance is more important than before.

Boeing KC-46 Pegasus

The IAF currently operates a small fleet of Boeing KC-707 Re’em refueling tankers, used to fuel fighter jets midflight on long-range missions. The problem is that these KC-707s are old, some over 40-yearsold, and they won’t last much longer.

The US Air Force selected the KC-46 tanker a number of years ago and is expected to begin receiving its first batch of 18 planes next summer.

Israel closely followed the USAF’s decision and voiced its intention to purchase the plane as well to replace its aging fleet.

The problem is that the plane is expensive, reaching estimates of around $180 million per aircraft. Nevertheless, the IAF will have to make a decision soon. While the Iran deal puts the possibility of an Israeli strike against the Islamic Republic’s nuclear facilities on hold, the IDF needs to retain and cultivate the capability to conduct long-range missions. Refueling tankers are essential for to make that happen.

Chinook or Stallions

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The IAF is also in need of new heavy-lift transport helicopters to replace its current and aging fleet of CH-53 Sea Stallions, known in Israel as the Yasour.

First integrated into IAF service in 1969 after being bought from the United States, the Yasour is used regularly by the IAF’s 669 Search and Rescue team, and is known for legendary missions, such as the 1973 airlift of over 600 soldiers to the peak of Mount Hermon, which they recaptured from the Syrians.

The helicopter is the IAF’s primary aircraft for transporting soldiers – it can carry 35 with all their equipment – and was used extensively during the Second Lebanon War in 2006.

In 2007, the IAF began a new upgrade program for the helicopter called “Yasour 2025,” under which it installed over 20 new electronic systems including, for the first time on helicopters, one for missile defense.

But in 2025, it will need new helicopters. The two options being discussed are the CH-47 Chinook and CH-53K King Stallion, which is still under development by Sikorsky, the same manufacturer as the Yasour.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/The-IDFs-new-shopping-list-467858

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Many of the purchases are geared toward replacement of aging equipment. Adding F-35 will be a game changer in region considering that the GCC states can't buy it...at least not right away.
 
For the airforce, purchases of F-35, V-22 and tanker aircraft are already underway (as part of a 2013 arms deal). In 2013, an Israeli official stated that within 40–50 years, piloted aircraft would be phased out of service by unmanned aerial vehicles capable of executing nearly any operation that can be performed by piloted combat aircraft. Israel's military industries are reportedly on the path to developing such technology in a few decades. But perhaps some US purchase here too?

Israel is recapitalizing army and navy.

There are US components in Namer and Merkava IV, notably the engine (which is a GD built licensed copy of the German 12-cylinder engine MT 883 Ka 500). The backbone of the IDF Artillery Corps, the M109 howitzer, will be phased out in favor of a still-undecided replacement. The IDF is also planning a future tank to replace the Merkava.

Saar VI ships might see Mk41 VLS installation if these ships' VLS's are to fire anything besides Barak-8 (e.g. the US LRASM antiship missile, or a land attack versions thereof). You might see the Northrop Grumman MQ-8B rotary-wing UAV on board. The new Saar 6 and Saar 72 will carry some US weapons e.g. lightweight ASW torpedoes and launchers for these.You may see the acquisition of SH-60 helicopters for the navy's new ships.
 
For the airforce, purchases of F-35, V-22 and tanker aircraft are already underway (as part of a 2013 arms deal). In 2013, an Israeli official stated that within 40–50 years, piloted aircraft would be phased out of service by unmanned aerial vehicles capable of executing nearly any operation that can be performed by piloted combat aircraft. Israel's military industries are reportedly on the path to developing such technology in a few decades. But perhaps some US purchase here too?

Israel is recapitalizing army and navy.

There are US components in Namer and Merkava IV, notably the engine (which is a GD built licensed copy of the German 12-cylinder engine MT 883 Ka 500). The backbone of the IDF Artillery Corps, the M109 howitzer, will be phased out in favor of a still-undecided replacement. The IDF is also planning a future tank to replace the Merkava.

Saar VI ships might see Mk41 VLS installation if these ships' VLS's are to fire anything besides Barak-8 (e.g. the US LRASM antiship missile, or a land attack versions thereof). You might see the Northrop Grumman MQ-8B rotary-wing UAV on board. The new Saar 6 and Saar 72 will carry some US weapons e.g. lightweight ASW torpedoes and launchers for these.You may see the acquisition of SH-60 helicopters for the navy's new ships.

Merkava 4 will stay Israe's main battle tank, altho Carmel will join it's rank as a tank.
Namer will be supported by Eitan APC.
Ofcourse all of those will see modification as in Iron Vision, APS's, data gathering and more.

Artillery basic core will need major upgrade, as in a new replacement for the entire corps, while It's special forces will have more accurate missiles as in improved version of spike, new drones (Skylark and Hermes), and some secret weaponry that already entered service.

For the navy, Saar 72 and Saar 6 is a welcomed upgrade, that will be supported by new system, including but not limited to MF Star, C-Dome for ground to ground missile defense, and ofcourse the Barak 8 for another tier of defense.
Both of those system are designed for area defense, and not for a single vehicle.
The navy also integrate many offensive weapons lately, some of them are secret, some are already been released to the public.
it is still undecided about retiring the oldest submarine or keep it, and it's up to the IDF chief to decide

As for the airforce, You can see the article above, also in MOU Rise said that Israel will be purchasing F15 squadron, probably some newer F15 I - SE , but we'll see in the coming years.
8 second hand F15's are making their way toward Israel now.
the airforce will continue to update it's fleet of jets and technologies on a yearly basis, like in years before.
As for drones, the airforce look to double it's drone fleet in the coming years, based on Hermes 900, Heron TP and Super Heron

As for interceptors, I expect Iron Beam to become operational and join the rank of David Sling , Iron Dome, and Arrow 2, Also Arrow 3 is also in advance stages of becoming operational.
 
And what of the above will be US products? (given that the 38 billion is in US AID, it stands to reason that the US would see some benefits)
 
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Would there local sensor/electronic package integrations in F35 purchase?
 
Would there local sensor/electronic package integrations in F35 purchase?
Israel to install its own cyber defenses on F-35 jets


Source: https://defence.pk/threads/cultural...israels-first-adir-f35i.435975/#ixzz4KVQ8u8rt

As some may remember, the Americans we against allowing the IAF to install Israeli central systems, such as EW system, in the aircraft, but eventually it was agreed that the air force could “complement” the original systems with additions offered by some Israeli companies.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/cultural...israels-first-adir-f35i.435975/#ixzz4KVQOqwn2

A senior Israeli air force official stated, "the aircraft will be designated F-35I, as there will be unique Israeli features installed in them." The United States initially refused to allow the integration of Israel's own electronic warfare systems into the aircraft’s built-in electronic suite. However, Israel planned the introduction of a plug-and-play feature added to the main computer to allow for the use of Israeli electronics in an add-on fashion, and to fit its own external jamming pod.[50] The IAF dispatched two officers to the US where they discussed issues involving the integration of Israeli technology into the fighter with Pentagon and Lockheed Martin officials.[35] In July 2011, it was reported that the U.S. had agreed to allow Israel to install its own electronic warfare systems and missiles in its F-35s in the future.[51] In 2012 Lockheed was awarded a contract to make changes to the first Israeli F-35s to allow the installation of Israeli electronic warfare equipment produced by Elbit Systems.[52][53] This equipment will use "specific apertures... in the lower fuselage and leading edge".[54] Israel also plans to install its own indigenously-produced guided bombs and air-to-air missiles in the F-35's internal weapon bays.[50] Benni Cohen compared the Israel Aerospace Industries Command and control system to an iPhoneApp that would run on top of the central avionics.[55]

Israel Aerospace Industries will manufacture the outer wings of Israel's F-35s.[53] IAI may also play a role in the development of a proposed two-seat F-35. An IAI executive stated, "There is a known demand for two seats not only from Israel but from other air forces. Advanced aircraft are usually two seats rather than single seats."[56] The Israeli F-35s helmet-mounted displays will also be manufactured in Israel.[57] This is part of the Offset agreement provided to Israel, in spite of the purchase being entirely funded by American aid.[58]

An IAF official stated that while the stealth of the F-35 in its current form will be overcome in 5–10 years, the aircraft will be in service for 30–40 years, and that is the reason that Israel insisted on the ability to make its own changes to the aircraft's electronic warfare systems.[59]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_Israeli_procurement
 
Israel to install its own cyber defenses on F-35 jets



As some may remember, the Americans we against allowing the IAF to install Israeli central systems, such as EW system, in the aircraft, but eventually it was agreed that the air force could “complement” the original systems with additions offered by some Israeli companies.

Thanks for this info. So Lockheed itself is integrating Israeli systems into F35 for now. Since my understanding F35 is more than a plane and will also act a enabler with its advanced sensor/electronic suite by sharing data/threat assements, would the operating countries for F35 be responsible for integrating the planes into their air system? An example would be recent evern wherein F35B provided target information for a naval missile.
 
Thanks for this info. So Lockheed itself is integrating Israeli systems into F35 for now. Since my understanding F35 is more than a plane and will also act a enabler with its advanced sensor/electronic suite by sharing data/threat assements, would the operating countries for F35 be responsible for integrating the planes into their air system? An example would be recent evern wherein F35B provided target information for a naval missile.
Well, the data sharing is one of the key feature of this plane, how will it integrate is still a mystery to the public, those are things that are known to purchasing countries.
However, Israel will have kind of app, that will integrate Israel's software needs into the plane, instead of changing U.S software cause it has been declined.
Avionics, cyber,missiles,EW and more will change to suit Israel's needs
 
great job for Israel. does the Israel army have C-RAMs?
 
great job for Israel. does the Israel army have C-RAMs?
Iron Dome?
Iron Dome is the only dual mission counter rocket, artillery and mortar (C-RAM) and Very Short Range Air Defense (VSHORAD) system
 

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