The IAF: Combining Numbers and Quality (IDR article)

[Dash]

Exactly, we have to learn to assemble first and more importantly to absorb ToT, later the production will be increased, that's a normal step for a production line.
Btw, nothing wrong with the MKI production line today, the plan to have 140 x fighters produced by 2015 is still going well, while the additional 40 (2 directly from Russia), are planned to be produced in just 2 years.

Hi Sancho -

I have read somewhere that HAL will be adding an additional production line for MRCA and by 2018 Su30 MKI line will be freed up.
So adding 2 more lines just for MRCA. so we can see at least 10 AC being delivered in the begining and 16 after some time.

Jaguars are really prone to SAMs both Low and High altitude highly unlikely that it would be used against China but in indo-Pak scenario it would play crucial role but deploying against China is kamikaze.

wiki is inflated and false but aside from wiki IAF hinted Jaguars-mig-27s would fly well till 2025, i hope these aircraft won't go through mig-21s hardship and reputation.

You have some misunderstanding with Jaguars I guess. There are Jaguars with French force still operating with full capacity and IAF current plan is to upgrade it to 2000V standard bringing it with better targetting pod, IR/AAM, cockpit HMD, and sruise missiles.

These planes can be nightmare for any 4th Gen planes available today and the last time I checked Chinese planes are all 4th Gen.

 

[GR!FF!N]

You have some misunderstanding with Jaguars I guess. There are Jaguars with French force still operating with full capacity and IAF current plan is to upgrade it to 2000V standard bringing it with better targetting pod, IR/AAM, cockpit HMD, and sruise missiles.

These planes can be nightmare for any 4th Gen planes available today and the last time I checked Chinese planes are all 4th Gen.

i think you are talking about Mirage,not Jaguars.

Jaguars are really prone to SAMs both Low and High altitude highly unlikely that it would be used against China but in indo-Pak scenario it would play crucial role but deploying against China is kamikaze.

wiki is inflated and false but aside from wiki IAF hinted Jaguars-mig-27s would fly well till 2025, i hope these aircraft won't go through mig-21s hardship and reputation.

you are killing me..some of the Jags are only 10 years old...and Mig-27 is going to get retire within 2020 i guess

 

[sancho]

Hi Sancho -

I have read somewhere that HAL will be adding an additional production line for MRCA and by 2018 Su30 MKI line will be freed up.
So adding 2 more lines just for MRCA. so we can see at least 10 AC being delivered in the begining and 16 after some time.

Hi Dash, HAL will place more production lines, but not because of MKI, but because of LCA and Rafale. The MKI production line is aimed to be used later for FGFA, that's why end of MKI and start of FGFA was initially planned for 2017. So any additional line will be for LCA and Rafale, not only for Rafale. As mentioned, it is totally normal that a production starts slow and will increased with every year, MKI production started at 2 fighters in the first year, LCA currently is at 8 or 10 (although it might go on slow rate, because of delayed developments).

Here is the F35 production schedule, starting with 2 as well:

There are Jaguars with French force still operating with full capacity and IAF current plan is to upgrade it to 2000V standard bringing it with better targetting pod, IR/AAM, cockpit HMD, and sruise missiles.

Jags are phased out in French forces, you might mean Mirage 2000 right?

 

[SQ8]

In short- come 2022-5 IAF will not be a force you wanna mess with! Easily in top 2/3 by 2030 in terms of capabilities and reach.

It would be a force that could give combined NATO assets a run for their money.

 

[IND151]

It will start with 6 aircrafts per year but eventually the production capabilities will be ramped up as with Su-30MKI. Tbh, the sukhoi production rate is still not flattering..

yes that's possible

 

[Dash]

Hi Dash, HAL will place more production lines, but not because of MKI, but because of LCA and Rafale. The MKI production line is aimed to be used later for FGFA, that's why end of MKI and start of FGFA was initially planned for 2017. So any additional line will be for LCA and Rafale, not only for Rafale. As mentioned, it is totally normal that a production starts slow and will increased with every year, MKI production started at 2 fighters in the first year, LCA currently is at 8 or 10 (although it might go on slow rate, because of delayed developments).

Here is the F35 production schedule, starting with 2 as well:

Jags are phased out in French forces, you might mean Mirage 2000 right?

Yes I meant the Mirage, my bad.

And I agree with you on the Production lines of HAL. I am sure they can deliver MRCA in time, and moreso over the first sqadron is coming from French.

i think you are talking about Mirage,not Jaguars.




you are killing me..some of the Jags are only 10 years old...and Mig-27 is going to get retire within 2020 i guess

Yes, you are right..

It would be a force that could give combined NATO assets a run for their money.

I dont know if you really meant it, because looking at what NATO currently has, by 2022-25 they will be even bigger. But yes I can say in ASIA it will be competitive fighting force along with our naighbour China.

 

[arp2041]

Hi Dash, HAL will place more production lines, but not because of MKI, but because of LCA and Rafale. The MKI production line is aimed to be used later for FGFA, that's why end of MKI and start of FGFA was initially planned for 2017. So any additional line will be for LCA and Rafale, not only for Rafale. As mentioned, it is totally normal that a production starts slow and will increased with every year, MKI production started at 2 fighters in the first year, LCA currently is at 8 or 10 (although it might go on slow rate, because of delayed developments).

Here is the F35 production schedule, starting with 2 as well:

Hey, sancho do you think that there will be more orders for the su-30mki apart from the 272 already ordered, i m thinking this because after peaking in production rate & gaining indigenous expertise in su-30mki i don't think it is profitable for HAL to end production at 272, it should go at least to 320 fighters. It should not come as a surprise since IAF had increased the orders from earlier 180 to present 272 so why not 320, looking at the slow pace of lca project.

 

[rashtriya.rifles]

It would be a force that could give combined NATO assets a run for their money.

LOL seriously ? I don't think so.. HAL's production lines are slower than somalia's.

Dragging MKIs production till 2017, LCA dangling to get IOC-2, Rafale will come like 2-3 pieces each year which is miserable.

no one knows anything about FGFA..

 

[arp2041]

LOL seriously ? I don't think so.. HAL's production lines are slower than somalia's.

Dragging MKIs production till 2017, LCA dangling to get IOC-2, Rafale will come like 2-3 pieces each year which is miserable.

no one knows anything about FGFA..

Buddy you are painting too darker a picture than it seems, MKI production will be till 2017 for all the 272 ordered, when the initial contract for 140 licensed (plus 90 imported directly from Russia) production was signed than the contract deadline was 2017 but after requests from the IAF it got compressed to 2014-15 after that another 40 ordered will be made in just 2-3 years so that's not a slow pace (16-17 aircrafts/year). Also LCA & MMRCA production though starting slowly will peak to about 16-17 aircrafts/year for both, so there will be a time around 2020 when HAL will be making around 40-50 aircrafts (2 squadrons) for IAF per year when all MMRCA, FGFA, LCA will be in mass production.

 

[sancho]

and moreso over the first sqadron is coming from French.

I hope more, for a faster replacement of Mig 21s.

Hey, sancho do you think that there will be more orders for the su-30mki apart from the 272 already ordered, i m thinking this because after peaking in production rate & gaining indigenous expertise in su-30mki i don't think it is profitable for HAL to end production at 272, it should go at least to 320 fighters. It should not come as a surprise since IAF had increased the orders from earlier 180 to present 272 so why not 320, looking at the slow pace of lca project.

I hope not! It doesn't make sense for us to operate so many heavy class fighters for such a long time (MKI and FGFA), while we produce and induct Rafale and LCA too. I prefer additional Rafales or LCA MK2s, to increase the numbers at the more cost-effective lower end.
Also we shouldn't make the same mistake that we did with Jaguars and producing them on and on, only because we have a production line. At a certain time, the fighter won't be capable anymore and if we keep producing MKIs beyond 2017, they would be in service beyond 2057 and how useful should such a big fighter with a large RCS be by then? For such a life time, Rafale and LCA offers more future potential, because they are newly developed and designed fighters.

 

[Luftwaffe]

There are Jaguars with French force still operating with full capacity and IAF current plan is to upgrade it to 2000V standard bringing it with better targetting pod, IR/AAM, cockpit HMD, and sruise missiles.

These planes can be nightmare for any 4th Gen planes available today and the last time I checked Chinese planes are all 4th Gen.

Wrong, wrong...