The Great Indian Tank Design Challenge

[kingkobra]

you guys have no idea what is going on here do you??

Ajai shukla is just frustrated with his blog readers as he thinks they are just good at giving comments and criticizing.

Criticism comes cheap. Now put your design hats on and come up with something useful.

so he is just pulling leg of readers of his blog(Broadsword)

 

[gubbi]

What exactly is this 'future MBT' have in mind to differentiate it from the current Arjun?

Ths is just an exercise for amatuer defense analysts byh the writer of a blog. So what? Cant have a little fun with a popular blogger?

To differentiate the future FMBT from the present Arjun, one has to understand the evolving doctrine of the Indian army, the future direction it may take and the prospect of a two front full fledged war - one in the western deserts and another in the mountains of the nothr west and the eastern sector.

Considering how the Bradleys and the Strykers were so effective in Iraq and Afghanistan, you get a general idea of what a FMBT should consist of. Merkavas, M1A series etc are excellent machines, but equally limited in their spectrum of uses.

IMHO, FMBT would consist of two platforms (Hi-Lo mix?) complimenting each other but acting equally effective on their own.

 

[Black Widow]

how can i help you .. ?
For us, Religion is above every thing else, we are first Muslim then Pakistan.

Good for you.. now come back to topic..



India must go with Arjuna.. Its chasis can be used for BHIM (Self propelled howitzer), Tank-EX (Arjuna chasis with lighter turrent)... When preparing for competitive exam we are asked to "Focus on strengths". Arjuna is our strength, We must not kill it like we did with Marut....

 

[Nirvana]

My friend, we want many things in life, but resources are limited

Well, if I am not mistaken - the Arjun is a heavy tank unlike the T-90. Are you implying that the Arjun is not enough to get the job done?

What exactly is this 'future MBT' have in mind to differentiate it from the current Arjun?

You know, the M1 Abrams and the Merkava had been around for decades, and still going strong. There's the M1A2, Merkava Mk. 4 and there are even rumors of an M1A3. Those bad boys have plenty of spirit and fight in them.

And this is done through continuous R&D and upgrades to the same platform. They never redesigned another tank from scratch - it'd be a waste of money. Rather, it's better to continually improve the existing design as per future battlefield scenarios.

Do you know how much money is involved in designing a tank from scratch, testing and putting them into production? It's a lot of money and complexity.

After all the time-consuming, hard work and money spent behind the Arjun, why do you guys want to design another tank? It makes no sense unless the Arjun is a complete failure.

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Oh wait, the source is a blog! "><

First of All this is a Blog by Ajai Shukla ! He is just Asking for Ideas How Indian Proposed FMBT should be

Now with changing Warfare Scenario , CVRDE have Proposed to field a Completely New Tank Post 2020 that will be according to future Requirement's and Characteristics which were Not Integrated In Arjun Mk2

The Arjun Mk2 is Upgraded to a Lot of Extent , It has Some 90 Upgrades than Current Inducted Arjun Platform !

The Plan is Once T-72's are Phased Out , We need a New Platform Which can meet The Requirements Post 2020

This are Some of Requirement's By Army that Should be Integrated in FMBT.Though the Requirements may change [Our Army is well Known for That] but These are Some Requirements -

1.Explosive Reactive Armour which can Provide effective Protection from Various Projectiles and Missile Warheads
2.1800 Horse Power Indigenous engine.
3.Further They are Looking for a Hybrid Engine Technology where Tank will have 2 Engine - one for Low Power Need and One for High Power which can Lead to efficient Utilization of fuel.
4.Some stealth Characteristics should be Integrated - Paint or Material which can Limit the detection of Tank by Visibility or Infrared sensors.
5.Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) system
6.A secure Data Transmission and Audio/video Communication System
7.Infrared detectors, laser warning, radar warning Systems
8.Signature Management Measures should be carried out During Designing the tank,Which can Add to Stealth features along Camo.
9.The IR,Laser Warning and Radar Warning Systems should Discriminate Between Friend and foe and Whether the Weapon Threatening the tank is Missile,Rocket or Other projectiles.
10.The High/Medium Level Laser Kill System
11.120 mm Smoothbore Gun
12.A 50 Tonne Tank
13.R&D for active suspension to replace hydro-pneumatic suspensions

To Add Some More points as you were talking About Upgrade to Existing Arjun Platform ! the one setback of Arjun is ,it was too heavy which Effect its maneuverability in Difficult Terrains since Our Army will be Operating this Tanks in Deserts and Snow Clad Mountaineous Regions !It can Be Easily detected By Sensors Due to its Design.Thus the need for a Completely New Design Platform - A Lighter and more Lethal Platform for future Warfare scenario

EDIT : and I Know that Tank Designing and R&D , It is a Complicated Process and Needs Resources , I am a Gonna be Engineer !

 

[OrionHunter]

What exactly is this 'future MBT' have in mind to differentiate it from the current Arjun?

> Plasma propulsion
> Anti gravity mode (Can float over minefields)
> Cloaking technology (Makes a tank disappear!)
> Laser main gun with BVR capability via satellite
> Integrated Miniature drones for forward reccon and fire direction
> Climate control and beer bar.

See? That's what a tank should be!

 

[manishmaithani]

how can i help you .. ?



For us, Religion is above every thing else, we are first Muslim then Pakistan.

So why you people made Pakistan... You can live any where and can follow ur beliefs,so that why you needed Pakistan

 

[Solar Flare]

> Plasma propulsion
> Anti gravity mode (Can float over minefields)
> Cloaking technology (Makes a tank disappear!)
> Laser main gun with BVR capability via satellite
> Integrated Miniature drones for forward reccon and fire direction
> Climate control and beer bar.

See? That's what a tank should be!

Can we add Force Field to protect the tank from high energy weapons and missiles?

 

[Kinetic]

hehehe ... seriously

these choose a medieval name for a future tank, more so a name that has nothing to do with hindu-stan.

Basket-hilted sword - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Need not to show that you have such pathetic knowledge,



Arjun has nothing to do with Hindustan!!! Al Khalid has everything to do with Pakistan.

how can i help you .. ?



For us, Religion is above every thing else, we are first Muslim then Pakistan.

You are the only one of such kind in this world. C

you know they like to brag and dream, we should position ourselves as the audiences not the judgers, so they wont accuse us being bashing them

so I had a good laugh after reading this

New age jokers now laugh on their own jokes??? Now that is funny!!!

 

[jha]

This is another one from Shukla Jee...

 

[skyisthelimit]

My friend, we want many things in life, but resources are limited

Well, if I am not mistaken - the Arjun is a heavy tank unlike the T-90. Are you implying that the Arjun is not enough to get the job done?

What exactly is this 'future MBT' have in mind to differentiate it from the current Arjun?

You know, the M1 Abrams and the Merkava had been around for decades, and still going strong. There's the M1A2, Merkava Mk. 4 and there are even rumors of an M1A3. Those bad boys have plenty of spirit and fight in them.

And this is done through continuous R&D and upgrades to the same platform. They never redesigned another tank from scratch - it'd be a waste of money. Rather, it's better to continually improve the existing design as per future battlefield scenarios.

Do you know how much money is involved in designing a tank from scratch, testing and putting them into production? It's a lot of money and complexity.

After all the time-consuming, hard work and money spent behind the Arjun, why do you guys want to design another tank? It makes no sense unless the Arjun is a complete failure.

---------- Post added at 03:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:26 PM ----------

Oh wait, the source is a blog! "><

you are right. i think DRDO needs to start working on arjun itself, try to shed its weight, and bring it on a level somewhere around where world's best tanks stand...

no need to re-invent the wheel for every new project.....

 

[savVY]

For us, Religion is above every thing else, we are first Muslim then Pakistan.

And you want to change whole world into muslim by any means?
Who teach you to prefer religion over anything?
Thats the difference here ( teaching)...
WE love our nation INDIA.. that means nothing is above this I-N-D-I-A.
Religion never gave you pride only some holidays but nation make your head up.
I,m proud to be an INDIAN.

 

[damiendehorn]

no disrespect, but I have very little faith in DRDO, FMBT seems to me to be an attempt for DRDO to create more development work for themselves. the US M1 didn't just happen overnight, it took years, no decades to evolve, infact they started work jointly with Germany on the XM70, that was shelved and the the tech led to both M1 and Lep2 tanks.

I hope they don't stop further development of the Arjun, and start on the FMBT. It would be a waste of decades of hard work, better to continue to improve what they have now into something similar to what Singapore has done with their Lep2s.

 

[Killswitch]

The Arjun is enough work for DRDO. Lets see it become an equivalent to other heavy tanks first. The FMBT will end up becoming a gigantic mess. India doesn't have the manufacturing base to make a tank with those specifications at 50 tons.

 

[Zabaniyah]

> Plasma propulsion
> Anti gravity mode (Can float over minefields)
> Cloaking technology (Makes a tank disappear!)
> Laser main gun with BVR capability via satellite
> Integrated Miniature drones for forward reccon and fire direction
> Climate control and beer bar.

See? That's what a tank should be!

Indeed:

 

[Zabaniyah]

Ths is just an exercise for amatuer defense analysts byh the writer of a blog. So what? Cant have a little fun with a popular blogger?

To differentiate the future FMBT from the present Arjun, one has to understand the evolving doctrine of the Indian army, the future direction it may take and the prospect of a two front full fledged war - one in the western deserts and another in the mountains of the nothr west and the eastern sector.

Considering how the Bradleys and the Strykers were so effective in Iraq and Afghanistan, you get a general idea of what a FMBT should consist of. Merkavas, M1A series etc are excellent machines, but equally limited in their spectrum of uses.

IMHO, FMBT would consist of two platforms (Hi-Lo mix?) complimenting each other but acting equally effective on their own.

M1 Abrams and Bradlys had different roles to play, hence both were necessary against the Iraqi insurgents. Although Abrams were limited as necessary to the scenarios (a single M1 round is extremely expensive).

Vehicles similar to Stryker and Bradly aren't actually that hard to R&D. It'd certainly be a very useful tool, instead of another heavy tank.

mmm...a 50 tonne vehicle? Wouldn't the T-90 be able to fulfill that role? A worthy replacement for the aging T-72? Yes? No?