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You're quoting a national leader- not a small time politician. If he had the guts to flip the bird at the EU and the US on TV, as well as sanctioning the deaths of thousands of drug offenders/pushers- u think he would not stick to his words?

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And guess what? I just found out this myself:

http://www.cninfo360.com/sjdt/20160121/410279.html

罗德里戈•迪泰特简介 菲律宾总统竞选人:祖父是中国人 无意与中国开战(图)


= Grandfather is a Chinese(Duterte's)

他补充道,自己的祖父是中国人,他不想跟中国开战,因为在福建的表亲不想战争。

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'he stressed that his own grandfather was a mainland Chinese(likely a Chinese immigrant to the PH, like the rest of the Chinese diaspora) and do not wish to get involved in a war with China. That's because his relatives in Fujian(province) do not want war(with Duterte).'

This makes Duterte a part-Overseas Chinese himself.

No wonder he's pro-China

Geez! Why every Pinoy president claims he has a Chinese father or grandfather! But we didn't know we had such grand sons. :lol:
 
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You're quoting a national leader- not a small time politician. If he had the guts to flip the bird at the EU and the US on TV, as well as sanctioning the deaths of thousands of drug offenders/pushers- u think he would not stick to his words?

His tough guy act might work for the domestic audience, but it's toxic on the international level where he's dealing with other leaders.

I've seen Duterte before. Popular at first, hated later. His type always overstay their welcome.

The US still need to bend down to Philippine despite all this humiliation. The US desperate needs Philippine for US anti China campaign. :rofl:

If Duterte wants US president to kneel before him. THe president need to do it. Without Philippine, US evil anti China campaign will never succeed. :enjoy:

In this case Duterte is a fool. If the whole point was to leverage his relationship with US he's going about the worst way possible. What kind of a negotiator insults the people he negotiates with? Even Duterte's allies and supporters have told him to be more a statesman than a jackass.

All he's doing is making it easier for the US.
 
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Just wait for it.. He will come to Daddy once he is out of options. American Aid comes with coke, McDonalds, 7/11s, Hilton Hotels (that includes Paris), and with the Chinese comes.. well the Chinese.
China will not help.

If you help your neighbor A, it is not because you have something against B and you want A's help. If your neighbor A's house is damaged by a fire, you help out of compassion and with no desire for anything in return.

For so often in international politics, that is not how countries interact with each other. We want an alliance with the Philippines. We give all sorts of aid. But precisely because we seek to contain the Soviet Union and/or China, we want an alliance with the Philippines. An alliance carries duties, responsibilities, and privileges.

If my neighbor's house got damaged in a fire and I helped his family, that does not mean I have incurred any kind of responsibilities for him and his family.

China is already busy and financially burdened in Africa to the point that some have called Africa China's colonial outpost. Does anyone here, particularly the forum's Filipino members, really believe that a US withdrawal will automatically bring in China as replacement ? Why should China incur for herself political and potentially even military duties for the Philippines ?

There will be no China-Philippines political alliance. China will do nothing other than sell the Philippines whatever Duterte want. Note I said Duterte, not the Philippines. As the Philippines weakens, she will decrease her influence in the SCS issue, leaving China stronger in the sea immediately off the Philippines' coast.

Duterte is being shortsighted and behind closed Politburo doors, China is laughing at the Philippines.
 
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Just wait for it.. He will come to Daddy once he is out of options. American Aid comes with coke, McDonalds, 7/11s, Hilton Hotels (that includes Paris), and with the Chinese comes.. well the Chinese.

You need aid paid in coke, McDonald, etc? Those are business and merchandise that come with a business friendly environment with or without aid. What US aid will bring is US troop and a boss who will constantly tell you what you can and cannot do. What Chinese aid will bring are railway, schools, and hospitals. As to Chinese, Philippines is already full of Chinese anyway. Even Duerte claim Chinese ancestry, so did Aquino.
 
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Just wait for it.. He will come to Daddy once he is out of options. American Aid comes with coke, McDonalds, 7/11s, Hilton Hotels (that includes Paris), and with the Chinese comes.. well the Chinese.

You are right. American aid comes with junk food while the president Mr D stated it clearly that he wants Chinese dishes. Well, I guess that even Ms Clinton would have to come to China for her eternally loved things. Nowadays, nothing can be fixed in the US. You know it...
 
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His tough guy act might work for the domestic audience, but it's toxic on the international level where he's dealing with other leaders.

I've seen Duterte before. Popular at first, hated later. His type always overstay their welcome.



In this case Duterte is a fool. If the whole point was to leverage his relationship with US he's going about the worst way possible. What kind of a negotiator insults the people he negotiates with? Even Duterte's allies and supporters have told him to be more a statesman than a jackass.

All he's doing is making it easier for the US.

So any1 who antagonises the US is a fool?
 
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China will not help.

If you help your neighbor A, it is not because you have something against B and you want A's help. If your neighbor A's house is damaged by a fire, you help out of compassion and with no desire for anything in return.

For so often in international politics, that is not how countries interact with each other. We want an alliance with the Philippines. We give all sorts of aid. But precisely because we seek to contain the Soviet Union and/or China, we want an alliance with the Philippines. An alliance carries duties, responsibilities, and privileges.

If my neighbor's house got damaged in a fire and I helped his family, that does not mean I have incurred any kind of responsibilities for him and his family.

China is already busy and financially burdened in Africa to the point that some have called Africa China's colonial outpost. Does anyone here, particularly the forum's Filipino members, really believe that a US withdrawal will automatically bring in China as replacement ? Why should China incur for herself political and potentially even military duties for the Philippines ?

There will be no China-Philippines political alliance. China will do nothing other than sell the Philippines whatever Duterte want. Note I said Duterte, not the Philippines. As the Philippines weakens, she will decrease her influence in the SCS issue, leaving China stronger in the sea immediately off the Philippines' coast.

Duterte is being shortsighted and behind closed Politburo doors, China is laughing at the Philippines.

Duterte is seeking the economic finance that US cannot provided, from China. And China has demonstrated the capabilities in Laos, Cambodia and Africa.

https://defence.pk/threads/ethiopia-djibouti-railway-the-tazara-railway-in-a-new-era.453681/
 
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The deal Aquino made with the US didn't come to fruition. Aquino expected the US to fully back him up in case a war broke out in SCS with China. Lets not forget he also expected to come out victorious from the outcome of this "international court" *cough, cough* So how exactly did it play out for PH? After a swift demonstration by the PLA revealing some of its muscles to the world, the Americans were quickly lowering their stance in order to avoid reaching a point of no return. Yeah yeah Obama and Abe made some noises calling China to respect the outcome but did the international community back them up? The answer is NO , 60-70 countries sided with China. Did US keep sending bombers and destroyers near SCS? NO Basically China told the US F*CK YOU . Aquino was left with a hefty bill of > $30 million, that's right that's a huge amount of cash which could have been spend on infrastructure but instead he bought thin air :rofl:

Duterte asked Kerry what are you gonna do with the bill? The bill is PH's responsibility said Kerry :lol:
Now Duterte is totally fed up with the Yankees and calling that son of a whore to remind his own business adding another F*CK YOU EU and GO TO HELL OBAMA

Vietnam was hoping to see some firework in SCS but after seeing the lame attitude from US and the uncertain future of TPP, she decided to kowtow to China :omghaha:

Duterte is right US is broke and China has the moolah, learn your place in the hierarchy and China will hand out carrots not sticks.
 
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Duterte is seeking the economic finance that US cannot provided, from China. And China has demonstrated the capabilities in Laos, Cambodia and Africa.

https://defence.pk/threads/ethiopia-djibouti-railway-the-tazara-railway-in-a-new-era.453681/
Cannot or will not ? You are confused between the two.

Anyway...Economic assistance is not the same as having duties and responsibilities as outlined in an alliance. Like my example if my neighbor's house is damaged in a fire, if I feed his family, that is 'economic assistance'. I can even put his family in my home for a few days. But that is a far cry from having to be LEGALLY responsible for taking his children to school, give them medicines, or take his wife to the market.

China will do just enough to make gullible Filipinos, like Duterte, thinks China cares, then at the right time, as in when Duterte and his cronies ran the country's economy to the ground, China will withdraw. It will be a wise decision because aid cost the least when the country, or the person, is able to fend for itself. Look at Venezuela. Where is either Russia or China ? Your China is in Africa, so certainly the Western Hemisphere is no problem.

But if China get involve with Venezuela at the time when this is getting more and more common...

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2016/10/03/91511734/
Venezuelan Child Nearly Dies from Scraped Knee

...China will be incurring a responsibility, ranging from political to military to humanitarian, that will take yrs to have any return, if there any return at all.

So all you PDF Chinese can do is crow about how much China can do here and there, but until your China is willing to take on responsibilities the way the US have for decades...:rolleyes:
 
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With China's aid (which China does not call 'aid' but 'cooperation') comes infrastructure and development. Better future for kids. Clean streets. Decent infrastructure. Sustainable public transportation.

With US aid (which is mostly in military terms) comes filth, rape, moral degradation, murder, disease and lots of out of wedlock kids of mixed variety with no father to be seen nearby.

US has never been a force for good. It is the most militarist regime of the past century.

Duterte is right US is broke and China has the moolah, learn your place in the hierarchy and China will hand out carrots not sticks.

US cannot sustain a developmentalist diplomacy because it lacks capacity and capability. Duterte cannot feed people with US military junk, he needs jobs, sanitation, streets clean from crimes and people clean from drugs.

Duterte does not wish to end up like a bad copy of Detroit.
 
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Duterte does not wish to end up like a bad copy of Detroit.
Actually...The Philippines is worse than Detroit. :lol:

- Most of population is under the poverty level and millions of Filipino men are overseas because there are little opportunities at home.

- While the Mayor of Detroit works with the police, Duterte is calling for literally a national war against drug dealers and what he allows further enforce the perception of entrenched corruption in the government.

- The Philippines is too capital poor to exploit the suspected wealth in the SCS, but if there are capital, corruption would siphon large amount of wealth away from the people.

More like Detroit is working not to be like the the Philippines. But by all means, our Filipino members are free to cheer for China and Duterte's imaginary independent foreign policies, which we all know mean does not exist.
 
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Russian-Chinese Business Is Surging

Russian exports to China topped $33 billion in 2015

Sofia Pale (New Eastern Outlook)



Originally appeared at New Eastern Outlook

Russian President, Vladimir Putin, was the key player at the G20 Summit that took place in September 2016 in China. This was due to not only political reasons: the Russian leader managed to garner extra popularity with international media outlets all because of an unexpected gift – a box of Russian ice cream, which Mr Putin personally presented to the President of the People’s Republic of China Xi Jinping. “Your ice cream tastes better because your cream is thicker,” announced the grateful host of the Summit. It is not a surprise that this situation will be beneficial to Russian ice cream producers, who will immediately take this opportunity and begin supplying their product to the Chinese market at an accelerated rate (currently, just a few tons are supplied every year, although the Russian product has carved out a niche).

This minor episode illustrates a smooth turnaround of the Russian market in the export of goods to the East. Despite a number of challenges related to business practices, language and cultural barriers, trade between Russia and its most important Eastern partner, China, is currently developing quite successfully.

Official data reports that in 2015, exports from Russia to China amounted to $33 billion, and Russia was ranked 16th in China’s top 20 trade partners. At the same time, China remains Russia’s main export partner.

Currently, about 30% of Russian exports to China are food products that are enjoying a growing demand. China primarily buys Russian fish and meat products. However, amidst the healthy nutrition trend of the Chinese, combined with the fact that China traditionally does not breed cows, the Russian dairy products are taking the first place. Common milk from the country, not soymilk, is considered in China to be one of the healthiest products for which enthusiasts of healthy lifestyles are willing to pay considerable amounts of money.

Apart from dairy products, in the 2015-2016 period, exports of the Russian chocolate, sunflower oil, beer and honey from Russia to China have sharply increased. High demand for these products is explained by the fact that the Russian products contain a lot more natural ingredients that their Chinese analogues.

According to the 2015 results, in addition to the growing popularity of Russian food products, another most lucrative export to China was amber. Amber products are of high demand in China, as they are a symbol of wealth, prosperity, and well-being. The Chinese are willing to pay real money for symbolisms. For example, the prices of Russian amber soared by 60% over the past year. At the same time, the number of buyers from China hasn’t diminished.

Energy carriers and raw commodities account for the remaining 70% of Russian exports to China. Russia supplies electric power, oil, gas, timber and natural resources (especially non-ferrous metals) to China. all leading Russian companies are represented at the Chinese raw materials market.

In 2016, Russia has become the largest oil exporter to China. Rosneft supplies 75% of black gold consumed by the PRC on the Chinese market. Meanwhile, the volume of oil supplies from Saudi Arabia to China has turned out to be 7 times lower. The victory in the competition with Saudi Arabia, which until recently had been the major oil supplier to China, caused the increase in Rosneft’s stock price by more than 30% over the first half of 2016.

Another major Russian company – Gazprom, is constructing the Power of Siberia gas pipeline to provide an unprecedented gas supply to China. The project, which shall be implemented by 2021, is expected to bring substantial profit to the Russian economy.

However, the trade partnership with China is not limited to only the export of Russian agricultural products and raw materials. Among other things, Russia is expanding its cooperation with the PRC in the field of the outer space development. Thus, following successful negotiations in summer of 2016 on intellectual property protection in space-rocket technologies, Russia is ready to supply RD-18 rocket engines, which have no analogues in the world. The USA is also buying up these engines for use in its Atlas 5 missile carriers. It should be noted that the Russian side is interested in involving its Chinese colleagues to the use of the recently constructed Vostochny Cosmodrome, which was successfully launched in April 2016, just 100 kilometres from the Chinese border.

After the G20 Summit in September 2016, a breakthrough in the cooperation between Russia and China in the financial sphere is expected. By the end of the year, the Russian Vnesekonombank (VEB – Foreign Trade Bank) will for the first time begin issuing bonds in yuan. This will be the first time that such loans are issued in the Chinese currency. In particular, under the Eastern Economic Forum that took place in September 2016, VEB signed an agreement with 10 Chinese commercial banks on acquiring a syndicated loan worth 10 billion yuan (about $1.5 billion). This transaction means that the Russian banking system has acquired one more foreign investor in one of the three reserve currencies. On October 1, 2016, the yuan will get 10.92% of the International Monetary Fund reserve currency, and shall be ranked the third most valuable currency after the dollar (41.73%) and the euro (30.93%).

Moreover, this year, about 20 Russian companies, including financial institutions, industrial enterprises, and government departments, will place bonds worth about $300 million on the Chinese stock market. This seems to not be a great deal so far, but this market segment has started to develop. Until 2015, foreign investors were not allowed on the Chinese bond market. However, the yuan bond market has been running for 11 years, with its profitability reaching about 20% a year just recently. Consequently, the entry of Russian business on the Chinese bond market presents very attractive prospects.

In conclusion, it should be noted that China is a vast, unexplored territory, which Russian businesses are willing to discover. The entrance of Russian companies onto Chinese markets marks the beginning of a new era in Russia-China relations. It is a well-known fact that economic cooperation also calls for political and cultural convergence. This means that the two giants – Russia and China, will both benefit immensely under conditions of peace and stability in the entire Asia-Pacific region.
 
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