with all due respect to all the groups other than NATO out there :
we did not get defeated in Afghanistan.
we pruned the Taliban and alQuada in Afghanistan for 20 years very effectively.
we kept our homelands safe from large terror strikes like 9/11.
we did the same in many other muslim native areas, like Syria, Libya, etc, etc, *at the same time*.
we are now giving all groups like ISIS and alQuada and the Taliban the room to raise a new generation of fighters and leaders, hoping that they learn the utter futility of their attempts to impose their will and rule upon others by their methods of horrible violence against weak and innocent targets.
if they don't, and if other world powers like Pakistan or China or the Russians don't deal with any renewed threat from muslim extremists / fundamentalists / terrorists, then we'll simply prune them again.
this was not a defeat, it's a show of mercy and the fact that we can be reasonable when a threat has been eliminated, much like the Taliban (or the Chinese, or the Russians, for that matter) don't hurt those who obey to *their* moral code and laws without resistance.
*EVERY* single group / empire that has aimed for world conquest has been defeated and driven as ruins into the history books.
you either respect the territories of those who don't live like you do, or you end up in war.
and if you fight all groups that live by different codes, you'll be defeated sooner rather than later.
look it up in the history sub-forum here at defence.pk if you want..
oh, and one last thing : you Muslims did convince me during the past few years that the Israeli settlement expansion policies are inhumane and evil. i have, and will continue to make a very serious effort to get the Palestinians better living conditions.