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H. Dawary

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International politics is defined by interests in terms of power. Nations promote their interests but can only do so through power. The mechanisms towards carrying this out can be in multitudinous ways, be it through ideologue, economy, subterfuge, influence, or even outright military force. The end goal is to increase the nations power.

In the previous century we witnessed multiple power struggles beginning with the first world war, the second world war, and later the cold war. The first world war was marred by an Alliance system which each nation fermented in increasing its power, there was the entente alliance and the central powers. The central powers were concerned with increasing its power outwards, and the entente by crushing the already growing power of the centrals and maintaining/increasing the power they already wielded, losing it would have meant losing the power they already wielded, which meant their source of wealth from the colonies they occupied throughout Africa and Asia and the territories they possessed within their own borders. Thus a war was an inevitability, this is what we know as the Thucydides trap, which is the threat of a great power that displaces an already existing one.

After the conclusion of the first world war, the central powers were broken up and punished, Germany had to pay war reparations and surrendered territories to France and Poland and couldn’t have an army force of more than 100,000, Austria Hungary was balkanised into smaller states. A war wearied Germany grew dissatisfied with its territorial loss and through it gave birth to a personality like Adolph Hitler, who in a few decades seized power and made Germany powerful. Hitler first sought power within Germany and later outside of Germany through territorial expansions.

At this point in history there were major powers around the world, Japan which had achieved a high level of centralisation and industrialisation, Germany, France, England, America, and the USSR. Japan, Germany’s ally, made the first move by invading China in 1937, and two years later Germany did the same with Poland igniting the second world war. The result in the end was a humiliating defeat for Germany and Japan which forced them to surrender to the “Allies” under varying treaties for both nations, one of which was an everlasting US military presence in both Japan and Germany, now although Britain and France won the second world war it was a Pyrrhic victory for them, their power had been drastically reduced and they lost most of their territories in the subsequent years after due to the costly second world war.

Something interesting also happened right after the second world war was finished, the first was the United Nations, and the second was nuclear weapons. At the time there was a looming conviction that the struggle for power could be eliminated by attempting to organize the world. It was a great theory, but experience later showed, the cold war per se, that nations had not eliminated their desire for power. Even if some nations managed to do so, it would have been useless and self destructive as the desire for power cannot be eliminated everywhere, and those who abolished their desire for power would simply fall victims to those who desired power.

In earlier points of history whenever a civilisations harnessed great amounts of power and came face to face with other nations that also had power, one powerful nation would often destroyed the other, which we witnessed with Alexander and the Persian empire, Rome and Carthage, Sassanids and the Caliphate, so on and so forth. Before the advent of nuclear weapons there was a climactic reaching point where direct confrontation was an inevitability, but after nuclear weapons it became more of a war of ideologies which is what we have witnessed between USSR and USA, which was Communism vs Capitalism, first which happened between the two Koreas, later with Cuba, then with Vietnam and finally Afghanistan which later led to the collapse of USSR.

No longer did two great powers come to a direct confrontation, but rather an indirect confrontation by breaking the enemy without a fight and changing their ways of thinking. The USSR collapsed and fragmented, however, the wars fought between the two were indirect, and each side did their best to gain alliance and change the ideas of its people.

Now what does it mean if great powers will not come to direct confrontations? And what can we expect in the coming future? Wars will no longer be conventional, two powers will not collide into direct confrontations but rather indirect ones and will support opposing ideologues against powers that seek to increase their own powers. Future wars will be to win the hearts and minds of the people and make a people doubt their ways of living by enemy states causing rebellions. We can expect nations to suppress their people if they hold counter ideologies within the nation, and the ideology that is the strongest will survive this test of time, and that which is the weakest will wither in time. This will be the future of politics and warfare as we are witnessing already and will witness.
 
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communism is defective and wrong system from the beginning,western capitalism is better than communism system but Islamic govt system is much better than all systems
 
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communism is defective and wrong system from the beginning,western capitalism is better than communism system but Islamic govt system is much better than all systems

Which Islamic government system?
 
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communism is defective and wrong system from the beginning,western capitalism is better than communism system but Islamic govt system is much better than all systems

Agreed, Islamic system has proven itself to be the best as proven by Muhammad (SAW) and the first 4 caliphs as well as Umar ibn abdul Aziz. We need that system to be implemented, and not ISIS rubbish, and believe me the rest of the world would wish to be like us.
 
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Agreed, Islamic system has proven itself to be the best as proven by Muhammad (SAW) and the first 4 caliphs as well as Umar ibn abdul Aziz. We need that system to be implemented, and not ISIS rubbish, and believe me the rest of the world would wish to be like us.
and who will implement such a system?
 
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and who will implement such a system?

I don't know. All I know is that we must do our best to be good Muslims and teach our friends and families to be good Muslims and InshAllah in time when the moment comes, we or they (if we are no more) will be ready to accept that system, and if it doesn't come, then at least we fulfilled our obligations towards Allah (SWT).
 
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Welcome!! :usflag::pakistan:

The problem with "the Islamic system" is that it is not acceptable to non-Muslims, who are held in second-class citizenship. Therefore, only a nation having only Muslims could implement an Islamic system. There are no nations with only Muslim citizens. Therefore an Islamic system cannot be successfully implemented.
 
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Welcome!! :usflag::pakistan:

The problem with "the Islamic system" is that it is not acceptable to non-Muslims, who are held in second-class citizenship. Therefore, only a nation having only Muslims could implement an Islamic system. There are no nations with only Muslim citizens. Therefore an Islamic system cannot be successfully implemented.

Why do you believe that Sharia would not be acceptable to non-Muslims? What do you base this on?
 
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Why do you believe that Sharia would not be acceptable to non-Muslims? What do you base this on?
I base my statement on my personal beliefs and those of every Christian that I have ever heard voice an opinion on Sharia. As a Christian, I find Sharia demeaning to me personally and against my belief in the true relationship Allah has with individual human souls.
 
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A few things I'd like to point out. Firstly, we haven't established what kind of an Islamic state we are aspiring for. Many people have different ideas of how an Islamic state should operate. Some imagine an Islamic state which is similar to the Islamic governance of the Ottomans, or perhaps the Ayyubids. That itself is problematic.

I would suggest you check out "The Impossible State: Islam, Politics, and Modernity's Moral Predicament" by Wael Hallaq where in which the author argues that the "Islamic state," judged by any standard definition of what the modern state represents, is both impossible and inherently self-contradictory.

I will point out a few arguments that he makes below.

• Attempts at using the modern state to enforce Shari’a have, by Hallaq’s standards, have utterly failed. He criticises the modern Muslim states for “distilling from the Shari’a – while flagrantly disregarding both its procedural laws and communal context – such punishments as dismemberment and stoning”

• One cannot help but despair at the unjust use of the Hudud (corporal punishments) in states such as Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia against the poor and meek, as well as political activists and rivals for the government's political agenda.

• How would an Islamically-paradigmatic form of governance exist alongside other modern states; how would it be able to sustain and defend itself without accepting the global capitalist system? Today, Muslim states face this dilemma. Can a state that buys into the global financial system, participating in interest-based lending and borrowing to build a modern, consumer economy, thereby trapping itself firmly within the net of global finance, call itself independent and Muslim in a paradigmatic sense? Is it possible for a polity that believes it belongs in a moral order to participate in a fundamentally immoral system of states?

If you want a quick summary of the book,
https://traversingtradition.com/2018/11/12/musings-on-the-impossible-state/
Here's the book,
https://bdpad.files.wordpress.com/2...redicament-columbia-university-press-2013.pdf
 
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A few things I'd like to point out. Firstly, we haven't established what kind of an Islamic state we are aspiring for. Many people have different ideas of how an Islamic state should operate. Some imagine an Islamic state which is similar to the Islamic governance of the Ottomans, and or perhaps the Ayyubids. That itself is problematic.

I would suggest you check out "The Impossible State: Islam, Politics, and Modernity's Moral Predicament" by Wael Hallaq where in which the author argues that the "Islamic state," judged by any standard definition of what the modern state represents, is both impossible and inherently self-contradictory.

I will point out a few arguments that he makes below.

• Attempts at using the modern state to enforce Shari’a have, by Hallaq’s standards, utterly failed. He criticisms modern Muslim states for “distilling from the Shari’a – while flagrantly disregarding both its procedural laws and communal context – such punishments as dismemberment and stoning”

• One cannot help but despair at the unjust use of the Hudud (corporal punishments) in states such as Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia against the poor and meek, as well as political activists and rivals for the government's political agenda.

• How would an Islamically-paradigmatic form of governance exist alongside other modern states; how would it be able to sustain and defend itself without accepting the global capitalist system? Today, Muslim states face this dilemma. Can a state that buys into the global financial system, participating in interest-based lending and borrowing to build a modern, consumer economy, thereby trapping itself firmly within the net of global finance, call itself independent and Muslim in a paradigmatic sense? Is it possible for a polity that believes it belongs in a moral order to participate in a fundamentally immoral system of states?

If you want a quick summary of the book,
https://traversingtradition.com/2018/11/12/musings-on-the-impossible-state/
Here's the book,
https://bdpad.files.wordpress.com/2...redicament-columbia-university-press-2013.pdf
A few things I'd like to point out. Firstly, we haven't established what kind of an Islamic state we are aspiring for. Many people have different ideas of how an Islamic state should operate. Some imagine an Islamic state which is similar to the Islamic governance of the Ottomans, and or perhaps the Ayyubids. That itself is problematic.

I would suggest you check out "The Impossible State: Islam, Politics, and Modernity's Moral Predicament" by Wael Hallaq where in which the author argues that the "Islamic state," judged by any standard definition of what the modern state represents, is both impossible and inherently self-contradictory.


Islam believes in Capitalism, there was a man in Medina who went to the Prophet and asked him to lower the prices of goods as they were too expensive, the Prophet said "no I will not mingle with the market". Capitalism isn't something new, its been here for centuries and came through the natural process of supply and demand, what system do you think Muslims have been participating in?

So you believe Muslim should borrow or have a federal reserve that prints money out of thin air? The system America is going by is called a Fiat system and most western countries are going by this Fiat system, its wealth created out of lies, this nonsense of creating money out of thin air can't continue forever eventually its going to come crashing down.

I ask you to consider for a moment what you stand for morally, Islam gives the guidelines to that. Your democracy keeps changing by the day, yesterday what was considered wrong is considered right today, we now have LGBTQ, legalised prostitution, and in the next 40 to 50 years I wouldn't be surprised when incest and and all drugs are fully legalised, this system has no foundations when it comes to that and the only rule is "do what you love and love what you do".

I base my statement on my personal beliefs and those of every Christian that I have ever heard voice an opinion on Sharia. As a Christian, I find Sharia demeaning to me personally and against my belief in the true relationship Allah has with individual human souls.

We are all dependent and bound by our perceptions (knowledge) and awareness, all that is what we call reality. However what is a reality to one can be an illusion to another and a reality to another an illusion to one, we all tend to live in our fantasies of what we think is right or wrong, what is right and what is wrong, can you even define such things?

The whole reason why I subscribe to Sharia is that it is beyond time it doesn't change according to the feelings and whims of others. Yesterday your ancestors the Romans were ok with genocide and making slaves fight in the colosseum whereas we consider that wrong today, but we today have LGBTQ and legalised prostitution, and yet a man can't even marry more than one woman. What would be your take if tomorrow they allowed beastiality, legalised drugs, and incest?

Not sure why I can't post without being quoted under another person...
 
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Not sure why I can't post without being quoted under another person...
I believe, since you are a new member, you can only post in this Members Intro section for a while and then only in reply to others. Check the Forum rules to see how many posts you need to make before these posting rules are relaxed for you.
 
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"Islam believes in Capitalism, there was a man in Medina who went to the Prophet and asked him to lower the prices of goods as they were too expensive, the Prophet said "no I will not mingle with the market". Capitalism isn't something new, its been here for centuries and came through the natural process of supply and demand, what system do you think Muslims have been participating in?"

It turns out we can't exactly brand it with any of these labels. Islamic economy theory (fiqh al-mu'āmalāt) has aspects that may be considered "capitalist" and others that may be considered "socialist". In addition to this, there is lot more to an Islamic state than being "capitalist". You need to also consider what the great powers of the world are doing today. Globalization is clearly the project of the rich and powerful states and the colossal corporations ostensibly being regulated by them. It's a project which largely is imposed on weaker states, and it so a fact that the political-economic paradigm of these powerful states is a liberal one. No other significant economic-political force can be detected. With this dominance, the goal of the liberal order is the creation, to the largest extent possible, of a single or unified world market operating under shared, common—even identical—legal norms. How will you possibly integrate a conservative unitary Islamic theocratic totalitarian caliphate into this world market? There are many other factors to consider, so many in fact that it would require masters of exegesis, Islamic economists, Islamic social scientists, etc to organize a new Islamic system for the modern era.

I am not a Shi'i, but take Ruhollah Khomeini for an example. Khomeini pretty much took the Republic and made that into reality when he realized that the old Safavid system of Shi'a governance would not work in the 20th and 21st century.

"I ask you to consider for a moment what you stand for morally, Islam gives the guidelines to that. Your democracy keeps changing by the day, yesterday what was considered wrong is considered right today, we now have LGBTQ, legalised prostitution, and in the next 40 to 50 years I wouldn't be surprised when incest and and all drugs are fully legalised, this system has no foundations when it comes to that and the only rule is "do what you love and love what you do"

Why do you assume that I support a democratic system of governance?
 
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"Islam believes in Capitalism, there was a man in Medina who went to the Prophet and asked him to lower the prices of goods as they were too expensive, the Prophet said "no I will not mingle with the market". Capitalism isn't something new, its been here for centuries and came through the natural process of supply and demand, what system do you think Muslims have been participating in?"

It turns out we can't exactly brand it with any of these labels. Islamic economy theory (fiqh al-mu'āmalāt) has aspects that may be considered "capitalist" and others that may be considered "socialist". In addition to this, there is lot more to an Islamic state than being "capitalist". You need to also consider what the great powers of the world are doing today. Globalization is clearly the project of the rich and powerful states and the colossal corporations ostensibly being regulated by them. It's a project which largely is imposed on weaker states, and it so a fact that the political-economic paradigm of these powerful states is a liberal one. No other significant economic-political force can be detected. With this dominance, the goal of the liberal order is the creation, to the largest extent possible, of a single or unified world market operating under shared, common—even identical—legal norms. How will you possibly integrate a conservative unitary Islamic theocratic totalitarian caliphate into this world market? There are many other factors to consider, so many in fact that it would masters of exegesis, Islamic economists, Islamic social scientists, etc to organize a new Islamic system for the modern era.

I am not a Shi'i, but take Ruhollah Khomeini for an example. Khomeini pretty much took the Republic and made that into reality when he realized that the old Safavid system of Shi'a governance would not work in the 20th and 21st century.

"I ask you to consider for a moment what you stand for morally, Islam gives the guidelines to that. Your democracy keeps changing by the day, yesterday what was considered wrong is considered right today, we now have LGBTQ, legalised prostitution, and in the next 40 to 50 years I wouldn't be surprised when incest and and all drugs are fully legalised, this system has no foundations when it comes to that and the only rule is "do what you love and love what you do"

Why do you assume that I support a democratic system of governance?

Yes you are right some aspects are Socialist, for example the welfare system. In all truthfulness I have to agree with your points, however, even with globalization there are still going to be power struggles, and bigger powers are going to impose their will on smaller nations if they see interest in doing so, United States being one of them with their constant meddling throughout the entire Middle-East, and some of these nations are not going to welcome that idea to be imposed upon them, globalization being one of them.

A good example is Saudi, it is in a dilemma, adopting the western model, welcoming western values while being a Muslim nation, however international politics is determined by a set interests in terms of power, which means the only thing binding US to Saudi is their resources, and few billions in investments within the US economy and the news outlets (which is why US is still being friendly to Saudi). In the media there has been a lot of back-clash against Saudi because of their nation being a Sharia system (more so than other Muslim countries), they believe or imagine that US will become an everlasting ally if they adopt their values and standards, when in reality the ties that bind them once are no more they will fall victims to wolves.

This is why I mentioned in my original post, if a nation would want to resist the will of another nation then it can't just do it with military or economy, there must be something deeper, can it be nationalism? even nationalism would be limited to a certain sphere, whereas ideology would be utilising the entire "Ummahs" resources. The question is, do we want to welcome colonization 2.0 to our doorsteps, this time around with China or perhaps even India as they are forecasted to be a superpower, or are we going to unite and prevent our lands falling into another British company?
 
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