The Future of Kashmir? "Seven" Possible Solutions!

[roopesh]

No ones supporting terrors, we are supporting Kashmiri Mujahideens, if you dont know the defination of a Mujahideen ask a Kashmiri brother he will tell you. .

We call Mujahideens as terrors. Why do you support them on first place? Are they legal fighters. Its known that these Mujahideens are getting trained and funded through pakistan. LET is one of them too. Pakistan clearly know that what Mujahideen going to do when he comes to India. Directly you are supporting terrors against India. How could you expect India to talk about peace.

Does Pakistan think that India will agree to resolve the issue by scaring for Mujahideens?? or do you think Mujahideens going to take control over Kashmir in near future?

 

[kenchabhai]

Agnostic Muslim, some comments..


1. Pakistan "claims" Kashmir, a multi-ethnic,multi-racial,multi-religious,multi-linguist region, albeit with a a majority muslim population based on 2-nation theory. As per 2-nation theory the basis of Pakistani/Subcontinental muslim nationhood is neither territorial, racial, linguistic nor ethnic; rather they are a nation because they belong to the same faith, Islam.


2. India declares Kashmir to be an "integral part" of India, as the Kashmiri King ceded the same to India.


3. Now Pakistan can only "legally" claim Kashmir if a plebiscite is held and majority vote for acceding to Pakistan, pending that plebiscite Pakistani claims over Kashmir are hollow/baseless/speculative.


4. I would also like to point out that the 2-nation theory on whose basis Pakistan claims Kashmir was roundly rejected by Bengali speaking Muslims of Bangladesh and Muslims of India. The alarming number of insurgencies in Pakistan are also a worrying fact.


5. I personally perceive Pakistan's moral outrage and outpourings of grief at "possible or hypothetical" injustices inflicted by "Hindus" on Kashmiris, Muslims or Dalits or any non-Hindu community as being hypocritical, 1-dimensional and unnecessary. Pakistan itself is going through a period of turmoil and upheavel, and hence IMO Pakistanis should first put their house in order and set standards, then be the moral authority to lash out at Indian injustices on its minorities.


6. Supporting fellow muslims against non muslims could be correct as per Quran but Pakistan being a nuclear power, a responsible nation and a nation part of the international community, should realize that Quranic laws do not hold ground in international geopolitics. They ought not to have indulged in engineering a terrorist/freedom struggle on behalf of Kashmiris esp when the Kashmiris have not spoken in favour of Pakistan. The blood of innocents and soldiers spilled by Pakistanis and Pakistani trained militants is inexcusable, unpardonable, and unforgivable. This is not an action commensurate with a nation claiming to be a responsible world power. The world finally and thankfully has condemned Pakistan for such actions and Pakistan too has realised its folly and is now shutting down such terrorists camps. This is a welcome move.


7. Indians have also not implemented some UN resolutions due to a variety of reasons. This is unfortunate. At the same time Indian government is known for not being squeamish when it comes to COIN and tackling terrorism, hence it is possible that at times non-combatants can be victims but such is expected and tolerated. With the coming of Sher-e-Kashmir's grandson's govt. I expect most of the important issues affecting the Kashmiris to be addressed.


8. Personally, I have a feeling India is waiting for an opportune time to end this impasse/dispute diplomatically and to the satisfaction of international community (in its favour).

 

[ahmeddsid]

Yes, This is what we need. But do you think it will happen??? If this happens then LeT and other freaking terrorists must shut shop without any profit at hand!

 

[Omar1984]

We call Mujahideens as terrors. Why do you support them on first place? Are they legal fighters. Its known that these Mujahideens are getting trained and funded through pakistan. LET is one of them too. Pakistan clearly know that what Mujahideen going to do when he comes to India. Directly you are supporting terrors against India. How could you expect India to talk about peace.

Does Pakistan think that India will agree to resolve the issue by scaring for Mujahideens?? or do you think Mujahideens going to take control over Kashmir in near future?

This is what I mean by culture clash between Muslims and Hindus.
Mujahideens are heros for Muslims and terrorists for Hindus.

Indians just talk and talk without listening to what Kashmiri people have to say and please dont post any biased Indian article written by someone named Singh.

 

[Omar1984]

The only solution to the problem is hear what Kashmiris have to say and Indians are unwilling to listen to Kashmiris. I pray that Obama intervenes.

 

[kenchabhai]

This is what I mean by culture clash between Muslims and Hindus.
Mujahideens are heros for Muslims and terrorists for Hindus.

Indians just talk and talk without listening to what Kashmiri people have to say and please dont post any biased Indian article written by someone named Singh.

Indians might not be listening to Kashmiris but even Biharis.. so ?
Are Kashmiris Pakistanis ? has their been a plebiscite ?
What gives you the right to intervene on behalf of Kashmir ?

 

[Omar1984]

Indians might not be listening to Kashmiris but even Biharis.. so ?
Are Kashmiris Pakistanis ? has their been a plebiscite ?
What gives you the right to intervene on behalf of Kashmir ?

A plebiscite should be given in all areas of Kashmir, even the part under Pakistan's control. We need to hear the voice of Kashmiris to solve this dispute.

 

[ahmeddsid]

A plebiscite should be given in all areas of Kashmir, even the part under Pakistan's control. We need to hear the voice of Kashmiris to solve this dispute.

Then freaking stop the violence! A plebisicte will never be held with a gun to our Heads!

 

[kenchabhai]

A plebiscite should be given in all areas of Kashmir, even the part under Pakistan's control. We need to hear the voice of Kashmiris to solve this dispute.

what about ze chinese ?
should their be a partition ?
what would happen if India were to ignore the voices ?
( Indian govt is pathetic at hearing the voice of its people and public memory is short.)
How do you think the vote will change anything ? (for eg you guys voted for Zardari and we guys voted for Modi even Americans voted for Bush twice !!)

 

[roopesh]

A plebiscite should be given in all areas of Kashmir, even the part under Pakistan's control. We need to hear the voice of Kashmiris to solve this dispute.

Let me ask you a question. Forget about hindu/muslim here. Talk about govts..Do you expect INDIA as a country should scare of Muhahadeen? Dont you think its a threat to country.

If pak doenst want to learn from US then let US come to blast these mujahideens..then we will talk about rest.

 

[ejaz007]

Well from what i read and understood fromt he article was, 10% came voted and author seems to back it, but why the rest didnt turn up he gives his explanations. So do you think it would be a fair deal in conduciting a plebiscite now if majority of india believs what is written in the article is true??? Author wonderfully drew parrellels between khalistan movement and kashmiri insurgency.

From the above article i would say.

1. Forgien militants to lay down the arms(pakistan should give assurance to that).
2. If that promise is full filled and every one is satisfied, Indian army should remove itself from kashmir valley.
3. Integrate Northern Areas,Azad Kashmir and Aksai chin(may be under your control and governce or support as in azad kashmir).
4. Ensure no outside people are in the above integrated entity, pass a law that no pakistani can buy land in these areas.
5. Let the status quo remain for another 10-15 years.
6. Then lets talk about plebiscite.

And i am sure that if such a situation arises india would be confident in conducting UN resolution in kashmir. Peace in kashmir for 10-15 years and then a plebiscite.!!! Wot do you say..????

Ok so finally we have some point to start.

What about non Kashmiris in Indian Occupied Kashmir. Shouldn't same apply to them.

The agreement however must be ratified by both countries parliaments and the deadline to settle the issue should be 15 years plus guarantees that both countries shall honor the deal and not back out.

 

[ejaz007]

kenchabhai,

Here are the answers:

1. Pakistani claim is accepted by UN and international community. Every one recognizes Kashmir as a disputed territory except Indians.

2. India has already declared Kashmir to be an integral part. There is a governor and chief minister. Azad Kashmir is governed by a President and a Prime Minister and has not been yet integrated into Pakistan simply because a final resolution is pending.

3. Pakistani claim is based on the rules of 1947 partition and shall only be verified by the plebescite.

4. Bengali speaking people remained part of Pakistan till 1971 therefore your claim is not correct. Even after 1971 large portion of population kept on protesting and go through the number of people killed by Mujib's government and you will see the clear picture.

5. Our moral standing is much better than yours. Our army does not enter minorities holy places and kill them inside those places. Our army does not descicrate holy places. We do not burn and destroy mosques. We do not burn alive Christians and we do not rape teenagers who come from other countries to visit and see the country.

6. Perhaps you live in a state of denial. Kashmiris ever since 1947 have boycotted your republic day parade. They have never raised Indian flags on their houses. On the contrary Pakistani flags are found on their roof tops. If this does not explain any thing to you then go to Kashmir and see.

7. That shows Indian double standard and their moral standing.

8. That would not be an answer to people aspirations. Perhaps it would be better if you listen to the peoples voices and settle the matter to their satisfaction.

 

[roopesh]

kenchabhai,

Here are the answers:

1. Pakistani claim is accepted by UN and international community. Every one recognizes Kashmir as a disputed territory except Indians.

2. India has already declared Kashmir to be an integral part. There is a governor and chief minister. Azad Kashmir is governed by a President and a Prime Minister and has not been yet integrated into Pakistan simply because a final resolution is pending.

3. Pakistani claim is based on the rules of 1947 partition and shall only be verified by the plebescite.

4. Bengali speaking people remained part of Pakistan till 1971 therefore your claim is not correct. Even after 1971 large portion of population kept on protesting and go through the number of people killed by Mujib's government and you will see the clear picture.

5. Our moral standing is much better than yours. Our army does not enter minorities holy places and kill them inside those places. Our army does not descicrate holy places. We do not burn and destroy mosques. We do not burn alive Christians and we do not rape teenagers who come from other countries to visit and see the country.

6. Perhaps you live in a state of denial. Kashmiris ever since 1947 have boycotted your republic day parade. They have never raised Indian flags on their houses. On the contrary Pakistani flags are found on their roof tops. If this does not explain any thing to you then go to Kashmir and see.

7. That shows Indian double standard and their moral standing.

8. That would not be an answer to people aspirations. Perhaps it would be better if you listen to the peoples voices and settle the matter to their satisfaction.

Pakistan can do anything...It can goto UN..US why should India go. Kashmir is ours. Matter of fact India expects Pakistan to handover its kashmir as a resolution.
Why dont Azad Kashmir is a strip across the border. Why didnt u include big northern kashmir. Its clear that Azad kashmir is a place for Mujahideens and pakistan didnt want to take the itnernational pressure of taking action against them.
Kashmir shall only be verified by the plebescite. Sure man. We will excute the public openion when the region is peaceful and when we get back all hindu pandits back to kashmir. Who ever trying to spoil the region peace
like mujahideens should be kicked. PPl who wants seperate movement should act independently without influence of other nation and protest peacefully.
Please dont give the false prop on indian army. You dont have any rights to fight againt our troop. They did what ever needed. Imagine someone cheaply talk about pak army.
Ppl aspirations..we are billion man. Dont talk about numbers...LOL. Every citizen has right to live anywhere.

SO before you demand for kashmir resolution think of peace in the region and pak contribution to the peace with full heart. We will talk after that.

 

[Omar1984]

All Kashmiris have to decide what they want and everyone should respect their decision even if they want an independent country we should all accept it. Obama made a very good initiative saying taht he would try to resolve the Kashmir crisis.

 

[roopesh]

All Kashmiris have to decide what they want and everyone should respect their decision even if they want an independent country we should all accept it. Obama made a very good initiative saying taht he would try to resolve the Kashmir crisis.

Thanks OBAMA. If Mujahideens doesnt repect indians peace process let them face USA droons. !!!
Omar, then pakistan need not expect anything from USA. then can directly deal with USA. After all USA provides water to PAK

todays news: Breaking News! Firing has been reported from Wagah border this morning. The BSF personnel opened fire at a group of people who were trying to cross the border without permission. They fled after the BSF opened fire.The BSF has reportedly seized 13kg heroin, some fake currencies and 7 pistols from the spot. One BSF jawan was injured during the firing by Pakistani intruders. Further details are awaited.

U say that these intruders are mujahideens and they are heros who carried heroin, fake currency and illegal weapons are heros and India should take its troops back to welcome these folks....