The Future of Kashmir? "Seven" Possible Solutions!

[beetel]

Again - under the UNSC and instrument of partition you are committed to holding a plebiscite in Kashmir to determine its final status as part of India or Pakistan.

What Indians 'feel' like does not count here. For example, just because you 'feel like' Texas should be part of India does not legally make it yours. There are international and bilateral agreements and commitments to follow.

When UN cancelled kashmir acession to India by king through british..?
Plebcite demand was withdrawn by sheikh abdullah in 1972 who is by large considered as true representative of kashmiries then..Not to mention he won subsequent election with huge majority..

 

[UnitedPak]

Pakistan and India have already shown their ability to solve the Kashmir issue bilaterally. They have 3 wars to show for it. Neither side trusts the other and has no good faith in each other.

The only logical solution is to ignore what they have to say, and allow the Kashmiri people to decide their own future. UN like they promised, should make sure this happens in a democratic manner.

Pakistan and India have to accept that they wont gain all of Kashmir. There is no denying that religion will play an important part in the plebiscite. The same reason why Jammu will most likely accede to India in a regional plebiscite, and the Muslim regions will chose to accede to Pakistan.
If you think this is unfair, then please wake up. This is Asia. Religion has always been an important part of everything. We cant compare western lifestyles with that of South Asian. Religion has always been an important part of the peoples identity. Maybe if India had a history of respecting its Muslim population, then Kashmiris would be more trusting. But India has shown it only cares of Kashmiri land and not the people.

40 years of peaceful struggle, and India could only give the Kashmiri people a rigged election, followed by 20 years of turning Kashmir into an open air prison. More than a million troops have been terrorising the region in the past decades.
So while religion will affect their decision, Indian brutality against the Kashmiris and Muslims in general is the cause of this mess too.

Its time to put an end to the fighting. Kashmiri suffering cannot be justified because of Indians hurt feelings.

 

[UnitedPak]

When UN cancelled kashmir acession to India by king through british..?
Plebcite demand was withdrawn by sheikh abdullah in 1972 who is by large considered as true representative of kashmiries then..Not to mention he won subsequent election with huge majority..

True representatives? Most of Kashmiri leaders are in prisons. What fair elections are we talking about here?
Do these "true representatives" mention anything about the mass demand for "Azadi"? Then they are not really "true representatives" are they?

The people want their plebiscite and have always wanted their plebiscite. There is no changing this and there is no justifying not giving them a plebiscite.

The question is how much longer can India militarily occupy Kashmir. India cannot hold on to Kashmir without having a million troops stationed in the region. How long can the world ignore this oppression in the 'worlds biggest democracy'? The UN will get involved again, and the situation wont look pretty for India.

 

[hasang20]

option none we should expend our terroritory to BOMBAY and gain the land of 150million scared muslims

 

[beetel]

Pakistan and India have already shown their ability to solve the Kashmir issue bilaterally. They have 3 wars to show for it. Neither side trusts the other and has no good faith in each other.

The only logical solution is to ignore what they have to say, and allow the Kashmiri people to decide their own future. UN like they promised, should make sure this happens in a democratic manner.

Pakistan and India have to accept that they wont gain all of Kashmir. There is no denying that religion will play an important part in the plebiscite. The same reason why Jammu will most likely accede to India in a regional plebiscite, and the Muslim regions will chose to accede to Pakistan.
If you think this is unfair, then please wake up. This is Asia. Religion has always been an important part of everything. We cant compare western lifestyles with that of South Asian. Religion has always been an important part of the peoples identity. Maybe if India had a history of respecting its Muslim population, then Kashmiris would be more trusting. But India has shown it only cares of Kashmiri land and not the people.

40 years of peaceful struggle, and India could only give the Kashmiri people a rigged election, followed by 20 years of turning Kashmir into an open air prison. More than a million troops have been terrorising the region in the past decades.
So while religion will affect their decision, Indian brutality against the Kashmiris and Muslims in general is the cause of this mess too.

. Kashmiri suffering cannot be justified because of Indians hurt feelings.

This lense with which you are watching infact all of you are watching is biased...
Everything is there in last 60 years ..
Do you really think blood will be spilled in kashmir streets if there is no cross border terrorism..?
Why kashmir was peacefull till 1980 s..Because there was no terrorism..

If you really want kashmiri suffering to end then you have to check those terrorists coming to kashmir...

 

[Flintlock]

The only possible solution is converting the LOC to IB. Kashmiri separatism is unrealistic and unattainable, and neither country is willing to give up land to the other party.

Nothing is going to happen in the near future, because both governments have to respond to domestic sentiments, which would prevent any deal-making.

 

[beetel]

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[araz]

Will you show your same side to baluchistan,swat,...

if you show the same compassion to Khalistan, Naga lands, and all the other states whose struggle you quell with force. See my friend, we have the same problems. You dont achieve anything by digressing.There are simply too many chinks in Indian armour for it to stand up and play "holier than thou".
Regards
Araz

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Stay on topic please - no more responses or comments about any other territory except Kashmir - since Kashmir is the only internationally recognized disputed territory between India and Pakistan.

 

[Rafael]

How about asking US and Goi to give us some $500 billion for the kashmir valley and integrate it with India...and then move all kashmiris who want to be a part of pakistan to pakistani land..i.e somewhere in balauchistan or sindh...we can develop a far better infrastructure for them and ourselves.....same goes for india, (vice versa)....if she agreees....

 

[TruthSeeker]

The maps show a small portion of Kashmir under Chinese control. Are these Chinese controlled portions also disputed by India and Pakistan? Are the people living in these Chinese portions ethnically (language, religion) Kashmiris? No one seems to include them in the discussion. Is this just because neither Pakistan nor India has any hope that the Chinese would agree to having their parts of Kashmir become part of a final settlement of the issue?

 

[Omar1984]

The maps show a small portion of Kashmir under Chinese control. Are these Chinese controlled portions also disputed by India and Pakistan? Are the people living in these Chinese portions ethnically (language, religion) Kashmiris? No one seems to include them in the discussion. Is this just because neither Pakistan nor India has any hope that the Chinese would agree to having their parts of Kashmir become part of a final settlement of the issue?

The only ethnically and linguistically Kashmiris, who follow Kashmiri traditions, culture, and speak the Kashmiri language, are found in Kashmir valley and a few are in Azad Kashmir. Majority Muslim areas are Northern Areas, Azad Kashmir, and Kashmir Valley. The people of Northern areas are culturally and linguistically different from everyone and dont even call themselves Kashmiris or their land Kashmir. The people of Azad Kashmir mostly speak pahari and are similar culturally and linguistically to the people of Northern Punjab of Pakistan.
Jammu is a majority Hindu area and Ladakh are majority Buddhists.
The Chinese controlled are mainly Buddhists.

As of now, Pakistan has Northern Areas and Azad Kashmir..no one from these areas are demanding independence from Pakistan and they see themselves as Pakistanis.

As of now, India has Kashmir valley, Jammu, and Ladakh..no one from Jammu and Ladakh are demanding independence from India and they see themselves as Indians. Kashmir valley, however, is demanding for independence from India and dont see themselves as Indians.

Pakistan and India are basically fighting for Kashmir valley. Pakistan knows it cant handle an indian jammu and ladakh and India knows it cant handle a pakistani northern areas and azad kashmir.

So in my opinion, either scenario 7 or scenario 6 can be a perfect solution.
Kashmir valley can be an independent country its very small but Swizerland is also very small and an independent country.

BTW there's another dispute between India and Pakistan and that is Sir Creek, believed to be rich in natural gas and oil on Pakistan's Sindh and India's Gujrat border.
Another solution to the Kashmir dispute can be whoever gets Kashmir valley should give up Sir Creek...so one country gets Kashmir and the other gets Sir Creek.

 

[Neo]

India disagrees with Britain over Kashmir dispute​

NEW DELHI (January 22 2009): India rejected on Wednesday a suggestion by Britain that security in South Asia was linked to the Kashmir dispute, and urged nations to act against states which sponsor terrorism. "When the foreign secretary of the UK visited us he shared his perceptions about the situations, and I equally told him and all the interlocutors that this is your perception," India's Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee told reporters.

"We do not share with it," he said. British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said last week he did not believe Pakistan's government directed the November attacks in Mumbai that killed 179 people, and showed no support for India's demand for extradition of the accused.

He also said stability in South Asia was linked to resolution of the dispute over occupied Kashmir, which both India and Pakistan claim in full but rule only in part. Miliband's comments were seen as embarrassing the Indian government and highlighting a chasm between New Delhi and some of its key Western allies, which think there may not be enough evidence to implicate the Pakistani state. India says Pakistan militants that carried out that attack must have had the support of some state agencies.

But what has alarmed India the most was Miliband's comment on Kashmir, cause of two wars with Pakistan. India, analysts say, is worried Miliband's comments signalled a broader Western strategy that sees resolution of the dispute as crucial to bringing stability to Pakistan and Afghanistan.

India sees Kashmir as a bilateral issue and dismisses any outside influence. Reiterating India's frustration at Pakistan's failure to act against the militant group India blames for the Mumbai raids, Mukherjee urged the international community to act fast.

"It is high time for international community to recognise that such recalcitrant states must be brought to discipline by resorting to various international mechanisms," he told a regional security conference in New Delhi on Wednesday.

 

[TruthSeeker]

It seems that the "most fair" way to decide this issue is a UN run plebiscite, or, probably, a series of them, which establish the facts on which peoples want which outcomes. Would an Indian poster educate me, an open minded observer, in a clear, non-confrontational way, why this is not viewed as an acceptable approach by the Indian public and Indian Government?

 

[TOPGUN]

Cuz they just dont want to even talk about it ! forget going to the damn table how can it be resolved and how can peace come between the two nations ! India must comply with this issue and stop running away from it....