The French Navy Stands Up to China

[hoangsa74]

LOL
Many Naval Expert, including the one in PLAN, didn't think China have power of projection even outside First Island Chain. And he is talking about Fking up the French off French Coast.

first they need to beat the viet navy and airforce in south china sea without incurring any loss in plane and ship to showcase their ssupa powa status, and then they need to beat both the indian navy and airforce in the indian ocean before mustering their way to Europe. but seriously the sentence in bold is really ridiculous.

 

[faithfulguy]

I never said both things.

1.) I said Modern Relativity of Physics included the field of Quantum Physics. This is what I said exactly



I don't think I have even mentioned quantum mechanic in the whole thread.

2.) I have explained that I never said that from my previous post already, you misunderstood what I meant.



And you should have know being a Chinese, because this is most Chinese say in Chinese.

Oops. You didn’t use Quantum mechanics, but quantum physics. My bad... But if you understand basic physics. Both are used interchangeably. And you know the basics of physics, you would not have argued my points. Do yourself a favor and stick with impressing us with your service records. And avoid the topics of physics.

As for the other statement, you call it an idiom after you posted the age of earth is the same as universe. Just refraining from comment on physics. Because you are losing more credibility the more you post

 

[Globenim]

Personal insults are not allowed and not matter what, action will be taken regardless of senior or junior. Such debate does nothing but offender is self demoralizing. Treat this as an open warning.

Regards,

So apparently its okay if we just put up a farce and use the plural "you" for insults, like "you uneducated and unqualified Vietnamese diaspora con artists on this forum" while quoting and replying to specific persons, given the trolls with a thousand plus ratings from butt buddies for "professional" dumps of unrelated wikipdia links inbetween layman opinions and pulling completely fabricated "facts" out of their *** and zero negative ratings can blatantly do it all the time without as much as a warning? Good to know.

 

[hoangsa74]

To Indian members, the Chinese are saying that they will beat your navy and airforce in your backyard ie the indian ocean. what are your thought on that?

I though indian airforce alone has like 200 su-30 and each of them can launch 3 brahmos missiles so that's a total of 600 air to ship missiles can be launched in one salvo at enemy's ships.

 

[jhungary]

Oops. You didn’t use Quantum mechanics, but quantum physics. My bad... But if you understand basic physics. Both are used interchangeably. And you know the basics of physics, you would not have argued my points. Do yourself a favor and stick with impressing us with your service records. And avoid the topics of physics.

As for the other statement, you call it an idiom after you posted the age of earth is the same as universe. Just refraining from comment on physics. Because you are losing more credibility the more you post

Well, define "Interchangeable"

I can say a lot of thing in this world is "Interchangeable" but with different meaning. For example, can we interchange the concept of "Male" and "Female"? On a glance, you cannot, because male mean male, female mean female. However, what if I am talking about the gender of human? You still can't because there can only be either male and female in human gender, but how about something "Asexual"?

On the other hand, Einstein is one of the major proponent of Quantum Physics in 20th Century, and if you are talking about Contemporary Physics, you need to include quantum physics as one of its core topics. Basic we all knew from the development of Electronic Microscope, Atomic Behaviour is very much different than elemental behaviour which we understand before, so to say "Contemporary Physics does not cover Quantum Physics is simply wrong"

And idioms or not, if I say I have been in this world for 38 years and still can't find a job, does that mean I started finding a job at age 0? This is not a idioms, this is how people say things.

I don't know about you, but I don't think my Physics is bad enough not to be able to discuss with other people. Again, unless you have specific topics you have in mind that you think I am wrong, I am more than happy to discuss it. Even if I am not really up to the par in physics, that does not mean I cannot discuss matter about Physics, we are all here to learn right?

If you have to be creditable expert in the field before you can comment on something, then I guess this forum should have been blank, because as far as I see, none of youse are creditable in defence related matter.

 

[Sanchez]

We all know how long a French bread can go! A small warship escorted by 16 wasn't some thing big but humiliation by the PLAN. All the banana members can rest now .....

 

[j20blackdragon]

The French Exocet missile is 1970s level technology.

China can make anti-ship cruise missiles like that in all shapes and sizes.

 

[antonius123]

Talking about technology comparison, they put China type 052D at no 4th rank while France's Horizon class is at no 7th. That means type 052D recognized more capable than Horizon class.

https://defencyclopedia.com/2016/12/30/top-10-most-powerful-destroyers-in-the-world/

Technological edge that 052D has compared to Horizon:
- AESA Radar compared to Horizon' EMPAR (European Multifunction Phased Array Radar)
- 64 cell Universal Vertical Launch System compared to Horizon 48 cell vertical launch system
- Supersonic sea skim missile YJ-12 & YJ-18, beat exocet - will be lethal to horizon class.

 

[Jlaw]

Talking about technology comparison, they put China type 052D at no 4th rank while France's Horizon class is at no 7th. That means type 052D recognized more capable than Horizon class.

https://defencyclopedia.com/2016/12/30/top-10-most-powerful-destroyers-in-the-world/

Technological edge that 052D has compared to Horizon:
- AESA Radar compared to Horizon' EMPAR (European Multifunction Phased Array Radar)
- 64 cell Universal Vertical Launch System compared to Horizon 48 cell vertical launch system
- Supersonic sea skim missile YJ-12 & YJ-18, beat exocet - will be lethal to horizon class.

I'm waiting for the two professional Viets to post something to the effect that 7th is better than 4th and will cut n paste a long boring mishmash of pseudoscience and his version of physics why he is right and everyone else is wrong.

 

[rott]

To Indian members, the Chinese are saying that they will beat your navy and airforce in your backyard ie the indian ocean. what are your thought on that?

I though indian airforce alone has like 200 su-30 and each of them can launch 3 brahmos missiles so that's a total of 600 air to ship missiles can be launched in one salvo at enemy's ships.

@Jlaw, I thought Vietnamese were stronk.
What happened here? White asses not enough now he wants to kiss brown asses.

 

[antonius123]

I'm waiting for the two professional Viets to post something to the effect that 7th is better than 4th and will cut n paste a long boring mishmash of pseudoscience and his version of physics why he is right and everyone else is wrong.

@Reashot Xigwin, @jhungary, @gambit

 

[faithfulguy]

Well, define "Interchangeable"

I can say a lot of thing in this world is "Interchangeable" but with different meaning. For example, can we interchange the concept of "Male" and "Female"? On a glance, you cannot, because male mean male, female mean female. However, what if I am talking about the gender of human? You still can't because there can only be either male and female in human gender, but how about something "Asexual"?

On the other hand, Einstein is one of the major proponent of Quantum Physics in 20th Century, and if you are talking about Contemporary Physics, you need to include quantum physics as one of its core topics. Basic we all knew from the development of Electronic Microscope, Atomic Behaviour is very much different than elemental behaviour which we understand before, so to say "Contemporary Physics does not cover Quantum Physics is simply wrong"

And idioms or not, if I say I have been in this world for 38 years and still can't find a job, does that mean I started finding a job at age 0? This is not a idioms, this is how people say things.

I don't know about you, but I don't think my Physics is bad enough not to be able to discuss with other people. Again, unless you have specific topics you have in mind that you think I am wrong, I am more than happy to discuss it. Even if I am not really up to the par in physics, that does not mean I cannot discuss matter about Physics, we are all here to learn right?

If you have to be creditable expert in the field before you can comment on something, then I guess this forum should have been blank, because as far as I see, none of youse are creditable in defence related matter.

I never used the term contemporary physics. I use the term general relativity theory does not explain the quantum physics fully. Which indicate that there are more unexplained observation than the current set of theories. Eventually, we will have more general theories than Einstein’s general theory of relativity in regard to gravity and other known forces. Just like Einstein’s general theory of relativity reconcile Newton’s laws and Einstein’s special relativity.

It’s also good that you admit that your physics are full of holes. But you are still good enough to post your comments. I agree. Even if you never heard of Newton, you should be able to voice your view. But please be humble when others correct you. I’m here to learn as well. And when it’s something I don’t understand much, such as how missile move, I observe and learn. I won’t make statements on subjects that make myself look foolish repeatedly. That will just damage my credibility. And even on subject I do know well, people will no longer trust me.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Talking about technology comparison, they put China type 052D at no 4th rank while France's Horizon class is at no 7th. That means type 052D recognized more capable than Horizon class.

https://defencyclopedia.com/2016/12/30/top-10-most-powerful-destroyers-in-the-world/

Technological edge that 052D has compared to Horizon:
- AESA Radar compared to Horizon' EMPAR (European Multifunction Phased Array Radar)
- 64 cell Universal Vertical Launch System compared to Horizon 48 cell vertical launch system
- Supersonic sea skim missile YJ-12 & YJ-18, beat exocet - will be lethal to horizon class.

On paper its good... Also site like that are usually just for fun. In another site the 45D are below the Kolkatta class. So which one are true?

 

[jhungary]

I never used the term contemporary physics. I use the term general relativity theory does not explain the quantum physics fully. Which indicate that there are more unexplained observation than the current set of theories. Eventually, we will have more general theories than Einstein’s general theory of relativity in regard to gravity and other known forces. Just like Einstein’s general theory of relativity reconcile Newton’s laws and Einstein’s special relativity.

It’s also good that you admit that your physics are full of holes. But you are still good enough to post your comments. I agree. Even if you never heard of Newton, you should be able to voice your view. But please be humble when others correct you. I’m here to learn as well. And when it’s something I don’t understand much, such as how missile move, I observe and learn. I won’t make statements on subjects that make myself look foolish repeatedly. That will just damage my credibility. And even on subject I do know well, people will no longer trust me.

LOL, I felt that you are either forgetting what you said or you like to force word into someone's mouth.

1.) You said current physics, To be precise, "Today Physics", which mean Contemporary Physics, and you did not say "General Relativity theory" let's recap

3rdly, on how you and the other folks want to argue with current law of physics? The problem is that today’s physical laws are not complete enough to explain all we can observe. And we are falling further and further behind everyday until we have a break through in understanding. Furthermore, you seen to arguing within the bounds of Newton’s classical physical laws, when today’s general physical theory is Einstein’s law of general relativity. Which encompasses Newton’s laws and Special relativity. However, to debate physics, you need to know what you don’t know and also what the human race do not know. Otherwise, you should sticks with your combat experiences and your rich set of multicultural knowledge.

You said Today's general physical theory is Einstein's Law of General Relativity.

2.) I never said my physics is full of hole. I said EVEN IF my physics is full of hole, I still do have the right to express my opinion. Otherwise you should be refrain from anything in this forum, because from where I saw it, you know nothing related to defence that is of creditable knowledge.

People will not trust you when you try to silence people, not when you try to express something you don't know, everyone is allowed to make mistake, just 3 or 4 days ago, I was mistaken presume a topic which last I replied is 1 month ago, and I wrote something totally unrelated to @Cybernetics response, I apologise and go back to topic and move on.

YOU ARE ALLOWED to express your opinion, that will not damage your reputation, BUT TELLING OTHER TO REFRAIN from commenting because your knowledge is not creditable? That's is what damage your reputation and creditability.

I'm waiting for the two professional Viets to post something to the effect that 7th is better than 4th and will cut n paste a long boring mishmash of pseudoscience and his version of physics why he is right and everyone else is wrong.

The site also said US Military is number 1 and Taliban is not even top 100 (in fact, it had no mention) how come Taliban still exist when US Military try to kill it for nearly 20 years?

 

[antonius123]

On paper its good... Also site like that are usually just for fun. In another site the 45D are below the Kolkatta class. So which one are true?

But the reason why Type 052 is ahead Horizon class is plausible. Which site do you refer 45D below kolkatta? Trust me you must have missunderstood that as there is no way kolkotta more powerful