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. Pakistan's insecurity is directly due to it being made an amputee at partition..

However the world looks at Pakistan as a country with SELF INFLICTED Wounds

Blame Mountbatten and Nehru for ensuring an unfair partition to both sides even if they were acting out of their own perceived interests. A properly done partition without leaving the issues of water, Kashmir and other areas would have painted a very different future for the two countries.

Let us imagine a person gets 90 Percent of what he wanted

So should that person go on a RUINOUS path just because he did not get 100 percent of what he wanted

In HINDSIGHT ; was the Kashmir obsession worth anything

without leaving the issues of water,

We have never denied Pakistan its share of water even during wars
 
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Gade Murde Ukhadke kya faida? Time to move on. Jo ho gaya so ho gaya!! Jo hone wala hai usko koi nahin rok sakta!! Par kosish kar sakte hain.

I sound like a pessimist/realist?? :undecided:
 
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something that ended up giving India a paranoid and hostile neighbour from day 1.

We in India believe that Pakistan's paranoia is because of India's SIZE

That is why there was and is ;an ACUTE interest in Pakistan to see the SECESSIONIST movements
succeed in various parts such as Punjab ;North East ; Kashmir

Even now when there is a Hindi VS English thread in Indian affairs section
Pakistani members call for Tamil Nadu's Independence
 
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Well to a certain extent,he is right,Pakistan should stop,Action Reaction thing vis a vis India.
If we launch a Missile they try to launch a missile in the next few weeks, i mean who are they trying to impress?Our missiles have a range much beyond Pakistan,So not Pakistan centric.
Instead Pakistan tries to somehow prop up its ego to show we launched a missile just after Indians did that's childish.
Our defence and Development is on a whole new trajectory, gone are the days of 1960's when our forces were Pakistan centric.
Pakistan should move on and look at it's house first,if it tries to emulate everything India does Defence and Military wise, to assuage its ego,it will prove Detrimental to its economy and security.
Why is Pakistan only trying to outdo India in Military? when there are many fields they could compete,We eradicated Polio,Pakistan is still struggling(Which is a better thing, building more missiles or making your future generations immune to diseases like polio?)

While India looks first to improve its peoples lives,infrastructure and economy.Pakistan will "Eat grass" just to compete with us in Military.In the end it is they who will suffer.

I was born and brought up in hyderabad. I know what the nizam did and what he didn't. It is u who hve to read the history of hyderabd on how nizam and his razakkars tried to suppress the rising anger among the local population by killing hindus en masse... Hindu majority of the state would have never accepted hyderabad to be a part of pakistan or be an independent country under muslim rule. @wolfschanzze
Exactly, the Majority of Hyderabad were Hindus,The ruler was a Muslim,what did he think would happen?
Above that he tried to suppress,commit atrocities,Genocide on hindus in his state, to take revenge against Indian state, using his private army Razakars.
They wanted to finish off all hindus in Deccan.What happened was a backlash,they couldn't handle and Indian army Joined in.
We Telugu people were always part of Bharat,nor did we accept to be part of Pakistan.Those sitting in Pakistan should stop dreaming about Hyderabad and other areas of India joining Them,Not a inch will be given,nor a referendum held.

Again, BS. Nizam Hyderabad was not a foreign ruler. Neither was Nawab of Junagadh. Both princely states were forced to annex in India. When Pakistan tried the same with Muslim majority Kashmir, Indian forces intervened. Hypocrites! :D
He was a turk not Indian,The nizam was always alien to the Hindu Majority of his state the Telugu people.No sane Telugu person of AP would call Nizam of Hyderabad as their own,he was always a foreign ruler.Even now, muslims in Hyderabad are called"Turka" meaning turks or related to turks,they were seen as Aliens not ones belonging to that state and India.
 
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Times have changed. There are no marriages in international relations. Its all about flirtings and those who are looking for long term commitments will eventually be dissappointed.
Long term commitments like US- Israel or US-UK ??? :angel:
 
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Long term commitments like US- Israel or US-UK ??? :angel:
What do I say... prolonged live-ins. Despite Israel, US flirts with Arabs. I liked the title of the thread "the first wife syndrome". What if it was the first love ... would that be a syndrome or itch.. :girl_wink:
 
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The writer teaches History at Forman Christian College Lahore and tweets at @BangashYK.

When I was a kid and the invasion of satellite and cable television had yet to happen, the only sources of television entertainment were either the state-run Pakistan Television(PTV) or beginning in the early 1990s, a private channel called NTM. Being near the border, our antenna could also catch the Indian state-run channel Doordarshan (DD). Therefore, every weekend our mainstay entertainment was watching films on either PTV orDD. A number of these films were based on social issues and I grew up acutely aware of the adverse effects of societal problems. One oft-repeated social issue was the question of a man marrying more than one wife. While in Islam, a man can marry up to four wives at any one time, in Pakistan this practice was, and is, considered culturally taboo. The public scandal caused by former prime minister Bogra’s second marriage obliquely led to the stipulation that the husband must get the written consent of the first wife before contracting a second marriage, yet the complications of the ‘second wife’— ‘doosri biwi’ — continued. Film after film showcased how the first wife felt neglected, dejected, and even abused after the coming in of the second. Usually, the first wife was shown to be older, old-fashioned and not as good looking as the second one to present an even starker difference. The point was, of course, that the husband was, in fact, a cruel man because he had left the faithful first wife forlorn and gone after the charms of the second one, which were at best fleeting.

The best simple explanation of the relationship between Pakistan and the US is the analogy of the first wife and the husband. Pakistan is the faithful first wife, who is always ready to do her master’s bidding, but now the evil husband — the US — has been charmed by the shining India of Modi, the wicked second wife, and does not care about the first one. Anyone watching Pakistani news channels — and they are numerous — during the visit of the US president to India would be convinced of this reality. Programme after programme discussed how shameful it was for Pakistan that the American president was visiting India, but not Pakistan. Several pundits, including the ex-governor of Punjab Chaudhry Mohammad Sarwar, opined that the fact that Obama did not visit Pakistan was a foreign policy “failure”. Many TV shows trashed the Nawaz Sharif government for this debacle and demanded its resignation. Even the terminology we use to explain our relationship with the US gives a dejected first wife feeling. We feel ‘betrayed’ by America time and again despite having done its bidding, but it has not been ‘faithful’ to us. Quite simply, it just sounds like a bad marriage.

Now imagine another scenario: that of President Obama visiting France but not Germany. Imagine German Chancellor Angela Merkel being blasted on all TV channels for not making a US president’s visit possible. Sounds ridiculous? It does indeed to me.

Simply put: Pakistan will not develop as a country and become a stable member of the world comity unless it sheds its India-centric foreign (and even domestic) policy. None of India’s neighbours do it to the extent we do it, and unless we stop obsessing about India all the time, we will never move on. Obsession with India over everything has less to do with our real and imagined threat from India, and more to do with the fact that we have yet to move on from the ‘Partition moment’ and develop an independent identity, which is not tied to India behaving in a particular manner. If a lot of our actions are just reactions to India, and not our independent decisions, we will always be beholden to India and its behaviour. For a country so concerned about its ‘sovereignty’ and ‘integrity’, I am surprised that we are not ashamed of this attitude of ours. The news from India is also not encouraging from our perspective on this count. Since the coming in of the Modi Sarkar, the government has practically decided to ignore Pakistan, and wants little to do with us. Secondly, as evident during Obama’s visit, India is no longer ‘trying’ to become a regional power. Modi’s mannerism and approach to the visit clearly showed that India now assumes that it is a regional power, and that it is now vying for world power and influence. This ‘ignore Pakistan’ policy and ‘moving on’ from regional power games will also have implications for Pakistan and in fact make Pakistan’s stance even more sad and, dare I say, pathetic.

So shall we stop being the miserable first wife of the US and a country obsessed with India, and grow up and develop our country on a sounder, more pragmatic basis?

Published in The Express Tribune, February 7th, 2015.

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The first wife syndrome – The Express Tribune

An excellent masterpiece on why Pakistan's foreign policy has been such a disaster all along!

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100% Right, but I dont think OP will find many takers.
 
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Sikkim and Goa remained independent for decades after partition. So please keep this BS elsewhere :D

Sikkim was never part of British India. It Joined India in 1975 after a referendum (accession to India got 97% votes), due to it's fear of being overrun by China.

Goa was a a portugese colony. There was a independence movement going on in that colony since 1930's. India responded with military measures after Portugese refused to even negotiate for Goan freedom (contrary to popular belief, Britishers were most benign of colonizers, Belgians were worst). The military strike was precipitated by incident of portugese firing on an Indian passanger ferry killing a passanger and wounding Chief enginner of that Boat.


And regarding princely states.They were never independent. They forefited their independnce the day they signed on subsidiary alliance.

Regarding J&K; What was Pakistan thinking when it invaded J&K? J&K had 70% Muslims with Kashmir being 98% Muslim , Jammu being 68% Hindu, Ladakh being 98% Buddhist. Even applying two-nation theory, Pakistan did not had any claim on Jammu and Ladakh.India could not had allowed Pakistan allowed to walk away with whole J&K. Patel proposed division of J&K in lieu of Pakistan extinguishing it's claim on deccan, but at them time Liyaqat was deluded that a state completely surrounded by India, and with Hindu population as high as 85% would acced to Pakistan. Even if Nizam had dared to do that and India would not have intervened, his head would have been put on a stake by local population (they were very close to doing that).

Indians say we Pakistanis are "obsessed" with Kashmir. The fact remains, its not We but they who are obsessed with Muslim majority Kashmir to this date :D


So why is Pakistan always crying about Kashmir and pleading to every power on this planet to make India talk to Pakistan on this issue, while India has attitude of "Don't give a damn".

Pakistan had no interest in Hindu-majority states of India, or it would have attacked Junagadh, when it was acceded to Pakistan in 15 Sep 1947 and occupied by India on 9 Nov 1947.

Junaghad was completely surrounded by India and had 99% hindu population. Pakistan could have done squat in Junagarh.
 
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The writer teaches History at Forman Christian College Lahore and tweets at @BangashYK.

When I was a kid and the invasion of satellite and cable television had yet to happen, the only sources of television entertainment were either the state-run Pakistan Television(PTV) or beginning in the early 1990s, a private channel called NTM. Being near the border, our antenna could also catch the Indian state-run channel Doordarshan (DD). Therefore, every weekend our mainstay entertainment was watching films on either PTV orDD. A number of these films were based on social issues and I grew up acutely aware of the adverse effects of societal problems. One oft-repeated social issue was the question of a man marrying more than one wife. While in Islam, a man can marry up to four wives at any one time, in Pakistan this practice was, and is, considered culturally taboo. The public scandal caused by former prime minister Bogra’s second marriage obliquely led to the stipulation that the husband must get the written consent of the first wife before contracting a second marriage, yet the complications of the ‘second wife’— ‘doosri biwi’ — continued. Film after film showcased how the first wife felt neglected, dejected, and even abused after the coming in of the second. Usually, the first wife was shown to be older, old-fashioned and not as good looking as the second one to present an even starker difference. The point was, of course, that the husband was, in fact, a cruel man because he had left the faithful first wife forlorn and gone after the charms of the second one, which were at best fleeting.

The best simple explanation of the relationship between Pakistan and the US is the analogy of the first wife and the husband. Pakistan is the faithful first wife, who is always ready to do her master’s bidding, but now the evil husband — the US — has been charmed by the shining India of Modi, the wicked second wife, and does not care about the first one. Anyone watching Pakistani news channels — and they are numerous — during the visit of the US president to India would be convinced of this reality. Programme after programme discussed how shameful it was for Pakistan that the American president was visiting India, but not Pakistan. Several pundits, including the ex-governor of Punjab Chaudhry Mohammad Sarwar, opined that the fact that Obama did not visit Pakistan was a foreign policy “failure”. Many TV shows trashed the Nawaz Sharif government for this debacle and demanded its resignation. Even the terminology we use to explain our relationship with the US gives a dejected first wife feeling. We feel ‘betrayed’ by America time and again despite having done its bidding, but it has not been ‘faithful’ to us. Quite simply, it just sounds like a bad marriage.

Now imagine another scenario: that of President Obama visiting France but not Germany. Imagine German Chancellor Angela Merkel being blasted on all TV channels for not making a US president’s visit possible. Sounds ridiculous? It does indeed to me.

Simply put: Pakistan will not develop as a country and become a stable member of the world comity unless it sheds its India-centric foreign (and even domestic) policy. None of India’s neighbours do it to the extent we do it, and unless we stop obsessing about India all the time, we will never move on. Obsession with India over everything has less to do with our real and imagined threat from India, and more to do with the fact that we have yet to move on from the ‘Partition moment’ and develop an independent identity, which is not tied to India behaving in a particular manner. If a lot of our actions are just reactions to India, and not our independent decisions, we will always be beholden to India and its behaviour. For a country so concerned about its ‘sovereignty’ and ‘integrity’, I am surprised that we are not ashamed of this attitude of ours. The news from India is also not encouraging from our perspective on this count. Since the coming in of the Modi Sarkar, the government has practically decided to ignore Pakistan, and wants little to do with us. Secondly, as evident during Obama’s visit, India is no longer ‘trying’ to become a regional power. Modi’s mannerism and approach to the visit clearly showed that India now assumes that it is a regional power, and that it is now vying for world power and influence. This ‘ignore Pakistan’ policy and ‘moving on’ from regional power games will also have implications for Pakistan and in fact make Pakistan’s stance even more sad and, dare I say, pathetic.

So shall we stop being the miserable first wife of the US and a country obsessed with India, and grow up and develop our country on a sounder, more pragmatic basis?

Published in The Express Tribune, February 7th, 2015.

Like Opinion & Editorial on Facebook, follow @ETOpEd on Twitter to receive all updates on all our daily pieces.
The first wife syndrome – The Express Tribune

An excellent masterpiece on why Pakistan's foreign policy has been such a disaster all along!

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you have planned the genocide with Modi
 
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Blame Mountbatten and Nehru for ensuring an unfair partition to both sides even if they were acting out of their own perceived interests. A properly done partition without leaving the issues of water, Kashmir and other areas would have painted a very different future for the two countries. Pakistan's insecurity is directly due to it being made an amputee at partition.. something that ended up giving India a paranoid and hostile neighbour from day 1.

Self delete. Looks like a very old post.
 
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