The F-35: Is the world's most expensive weapons program worth it?

[UKBengali]

LOL - @ the US fanboys celebrating over the F-35s ability to shoot down other jets with it's missiles and so no need to be high-speed, VLO or manoeuvrable.

Few things to bear in mind:

1. US is rapidly losing it's edge in electronics
2. F-35 will be detected by enemy 5th generation fighters first and will have to suffer multiple BVR shots before it can fire back.
3.This the same racist thinking that the US had before the Japanese Zero fighter hit them in WW2.

 

[BoQ77]

LOL - @ the US fanboys celebrating over the F-35s ability to shoot down other jets with it's missiles and so no need to be high-speed, VLO or manoeuvrable.

Few things to bear in mind:

1. US is rapidly losing it's edge in electronics
2. F-35 will be detected by enemy 5th generation fighters first and will have to suffer multiple BVR shots before it can fire back.
3.This the same racist thinking that the US had before the Japanese Zero fighter hit them in WW2.

Just talking is different from doing.
1. Let find out what is the cruise speed of other fighers with full arm and external fuel tank. They claimed that F-16 is Mach 1.4 while F-35 Mach 1.6
F-35 is a supercruise fighter at mach 1.2

2. What's the enemy 5th gen fighters? why F-35 couldn't detect enemy fighters first?

 

[BoQ77]

F-35 is the big deal for developing the relevant economies.
1,700 F-35A for USAF only make all suppliers ( from Turkey, Japan, Canadian, US ... ) a big smile.
If we look up the total estimated "hundred billions" for project, we are counting the scale of that deal for production, maintenance, ... for the lifetime of this project. Bigger value, better for growing GDP in the FUTURE.

No other aircraft could help both military and economics like F-35.
Let go ahead and make another aircraft could do whatever F-35 could. Any?

 

[IND151]

its onli the cost over runs that is bothering so many "defnce experts" but none talks about what this programme has achived specially when it comes to cutting edge "avioniks" and other such technologies which are genrations ahead of anything any other nation exept USA has right now

its every single penny worth spent on it .... period

It has aerodynamic performance of a brick.

 

[GURU DUTT]

It has aerodynamic performance of a brick.

whose aerodynamic performance is of a brick ?

 

[Kristian]

Hope this help

Thinks F-22 Raptor are better stealth plane and with PAK 50 best in worlds.

Su-30 and Tornado and F-18 C/D/E/F is 3-5 place.

 

[BoQ77]

America will surely find some bakras who will buy these costly jets and help them recover the development cost. This might be a premier jet for another decade or two.

1. The huge cost is for the whole life of the project with over 2500 aircrafts of 3 variants, it's an estimated all-in until 2050?
2. They don't need to find as many as they can, they already planned for production of thousand aircrafts.
3. When go to large scale production, the unit price would go down to 100 mil and 80 mil.

Let see what other 80-100 mil aircrafts have?

 

[IND151]

whose aerodynamic performance is of a brick ?

But Kendall was referring only to the new plane’s delays and cost increases. He didn’t mention the more deadly flaw that had been revealed in Stillion and Perdue’s 2008 air-war simulation: that regardless of when and at what price the F-35 enters service, owing to its vertical-takeoff equipment the new fighter is the aerodynamic equivalent of a lobbed brick, totally outclassed by the latest Russian- and Chinese-made jets.

https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&r...h6TNKQHjrezZSimVTU__1jg&bvm=bv.98717601,d.c2E

 

[Kristian]

Tornado are German or European project from 1980's.

Tornado are better than EU project Eurofighter Typhoon.

From earli 2000's this EU project. Produktion in 1990's.

 

[anon45]

But Kendall was referring only to the new plane’s delays and cost increases. He didn’t mention the more deadly flaw that had been revealed in Stillion and Perdue’s 2008 air-war simulation: that regardless of when and at what price the F-35 enters service, owing to its vertical-takeoff equipment the new fighter is the aerodynamic equivalent of a lobbed brick, totally outclassed by the latest Russian- and Chinese-made jets.

https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAAahUKEwi37qH_r_vGAhWSH44KHTKWAF8&url=https://medium.com/war-is-boring/fd-how-the-u-s-and-its-allies-got-stuck-with-the-worlds-worst-new-warplane-5c95d45f86a5&ei=dSy2VfffMJK_uASyrIL4BQ&usg=AFQjCNHL2xOh6TNKQHjrezZSimVTU__1jg&bvm=bv.98717601,d.c2E

oh god, the source article references winslow wheeler and the sources for that article (which simply references his own writings instead of an outside reputable source when it comes to f-35 design flaws) lead to bill sweetman. A discredited f-35 critic whose rabid hatred of the f-35 is well known.

Him and Winslow Wheeler, along with Carlo Kopp (who i'm surprised is not referenced as well, maybe I just missed it)
have no access to the f-35 program, nor have they flown the f-35 (afaik). Listen to the pilots instead of these talking heads.

David axe is not a reliable source, he's a blogger who is flashy but with no real 'meat' in his posts that can't be better viewed elsewhere.

The very thought that the US military, let alone the US airforce, would willingly hamstring itself with a terrible fighter should ring alarm bells for people about these sorts of articles.

Yes Yes Military industrial complex crony capitalism blah blah blah, but the military takes its mission (defense of the United States and protection of its interests) seriously.

 

[IND151]

oh god, the source article references winslow wheeler and the sources for that article (which simply references his own writings instead of an outside reputable source when it comes to f-35 design flaws) lead to bill sweetman. A well known discredited f-35 critic whose rabid hatred of the f-35 is well known.

Him and Winslow Wheeler, along with Carlo Kopp (who i'm surprised is not referenced as well, maybe I just missed it)
have no access to the f-35 program, nor have they flown the f-35 (afaik). Listen to the pilots instead of these talking heads.

David axe is not a reliable source, he's a blogger who is flashy but with no real 'meat' in his posts that can't be better viewed elsewhere.

The very thought that the US military, let alone the US airforce, would willingly hamstring itself with a terrible fighter should ring alarm bells for people about these sorts of articles.

Yes Yes Military industrial complex crony capitalism blah blah blah, but the military takes its mission (defense of the United States and protection of its interests) seriously.

The APA too criticizes F 35.

 

[anon45]

The APA too criticizes F 35.

Ah, there is Mr. Kopp

Carlo Kopp has a hardon for the f-22 btw. Dont know why he thinks we'd export it even if the line was still open.