The enemy and Pakistan Army

[Joe Shearer]

When you have to accredit your intelligence for yourself, it speaks volumes of what you truly are.


Whether I am a nice guy or a bad guy is completely irrelevant.

The fact of the matter is that you all take me very seriously. I know that already.

I have gotten under Joe's skin many a time. You can ask him for yourself.

You are nobody here. Don't give yourself undue importance.

In earlier days, dear boy. Then there was a series of mails with embarrassed little comments about how we were actually quite pally with Indians, and found nothing wrong with them in real life, and the scales dropped from my eyes. I hope you have read my last series of posts to you, where you were holding your breath and turning blue in the face, in an effort to persuade us all that you were a dangerous guy.

 

[vsdoc]

Throughout my stay here at PDF i have consistently called for improvement of relations between both India and Pakistan. I have condemned the idea of war between India and Pakistan to the highest level.

But when i read your posts, it sends shiver down my spine. It appears to me that you have not educated yourself what the consequences of war between India or Pakistan would be. If a war does takes place between India and Pakistan, it will make 71 and 65 look like a play fight between kids. I pray to Allah that you are a minority in your country and majority of the Indians don't share your 'Pro War Attitude'. It does appear that your General Staff is not made up of people like you, so far they have decided against War which makes me happy .

I am anti war.

Pakistan will need to be taken out of the equation as a military power for Pakistan's own good.

The process has already started.

You guys are smack dab in the middle of it.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Remember, I am regular guy. A farmer in class, and I have killed my fair share of snakes on my land.

Yup, tough guy capable of handling snakes on his own.

 

[Rafi]

I have controlled people there.

I have gotten people to contribute.

People who believe I am an Islamophobe.

Whether I am cunning or not, I am not an adversary you would want to take lightly.

Delusions of megalomania - Ok let's indulge -

One Ring to rule them all,
One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them.

vsdoc is actually Lord of the indian rings, and he is going to conquer South Asia, and then the world, all before bedtime. All hail him.

 

[Bang Galore]

The game is not just between India and Pakistan, but in front of the whole world. The PR battle is just as important as the actual actions. With covert operations supporting various troublemakers within Pakistan, India can keep the pressure on Pakistan, all the while claiming to be the bereaved victim of terrorism.

With overt actions like water restriction, which are designed to have a direct economic impact on the civilian population, India would lose the moral high ground. It wouldn't matter if India had video recordings of ISI planning whatever, it still would not justify widespread economic retaliation on the civilian masses.

You are assuming that India will block your water. That wasn't my point. I was pointing out that it will remain another potential nightmare, one with real capability behind it. You cannot discount it regardless of what you refer to PR effect etc. I'm slightly amused by your point on the high moral ground because you seem willing to readily cede it to us; either because you truly believe it to be true or you are counting on us taking such a ground to save your countrymen from actual pain.See, it's working already. Pakistanis who readily subscribe to imaginary nightmares now have one more to add to that list.

 

[vsdoc]

Remember, I am regular guy. A farmer in class, and I have killed my fair share of snakes on my land.

And I am a Parsi.

And we are still here.

You will find me hard to kill.

 

[RazPaK]

In earlier days, dear boy. Then there was a series of mails with embarrassed little comments about how we were actually quite pally with Indians, and found nothing wrong with them in real life, and the scales dropped from my eyes. I hope you have read my last series of posts to you, where you were holding your breath and turning blue in the face, in an effort to persuade us all that you were a dangerous guy.

And when have I tried to persuade anyone that I am a dangerous guy?


I can be civil, it is in my Pakistani nature to have a big heart, but for the enemy it can turn into rock.

 

[Joe Shearer]

It doesn't matter what you like. The fact of the matter is that the millions and millions' of the Pakistani people believe what I believe.

Indians are the masters of spouting BS.

The masters of propaganda and misinformation.

The masters of playing victim.

I don't know who you bhartis think you're fooling.

Definitely not the PA, and definitely not anyone on this forum, except for your younger and feeble minded countrymen.

I rather agree with you. Some of them do seem rather feeble-minded to me. Pakistani teachers have it so much better. No need to worry about minds at all.

 

[INDIC]

Delusions of megalomania - Ok let's indulge -

One Ring to rule them all,
One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them.

vsdoc is actually Lord of the indian rings, and he is going to conquer South Asia, and then the world, all before bedtime. All hail him.

Do you still listen to "Ringa ringa roses..."

 

[vsdoc]

And when have I tried to persuade anyone that I am a dangerous guy?


I can be civil, it is in my Pakistani nature to have a big heart, but for the enemy it can turn into rock.

We are all suitably impressed RazPak.

But seriously, out here right now, you are way out of your league.

 

[neutral_person]

Nobody says that.

Shaping the environment is a critical phase of the struggle and you find the things cute - wow, what a girlish gentleman you are.

At the end of the day however, the people of Kashmir themselves want that.

You may disagree, for all I care.

OK here is probably the only serious post I am going to make in this thread, trolling completely aside. I believe the Kashmir secessionist movement is one that has happened due to ineffective political measures taken by the Central Govt. Not just Kashmir, but effectively any seccessionist movement is a result of this anywhere in the world, whether its Quebec in Canada, East Pakistan, Balochistan, Khalistan, etc. It always starts with ineffective policies that isolate the population in a region from the rest of the country, and things either get better or get worse from there. In the case of Quebec, and Khalistan, it got better. In the case of Kashmir and East Pak (and perhaps Balochistan in the future) it got worse.

That being said, the current generation of anti-India Kashmiris is a result of the JI HA DI training camps centered around Islamic fundamentalism sponsored by Pakistan after 1989. Before 1989, there was minimal troop presence in Kashmir, and things were relatively peaceful in Kashmir, and the general Kashmiris were certainly not anti-India. The troops in Kashmir were only deployed when Kashmiri Jihadis backed by Pakistan started killing and raping pro-India people in Kashmir, a huge chunk of which were Kashmiri Buddhists and Pandits.

Jammu and Kashmir is never going to secede from India. If there are individual Kashmiris that have problems with the current politics of Kashmir, they can join politics themselves and change that. If there are individual Kashmiris that have problems with Hindus and non-Muslim Indians in general (something we can't change, they can go ahead to Pakistan and like in the Pak occupied Kashmir).

If you agree with my posts, good for both of us. If you don't, well too bad I wasted 15 minutes typing it out

 

[RazPaK]

I rather agree with you. Some of them do seem rather feeble-minded to me. Pakistani teachers have it so much better. No need to worry about minds at all.

Sarcasm is a feminine trait. It suits you rather well.

 

[MilSpec]

The indian state is the enemy because of it's nature, remember india is not like other countries, it does not have a single unifying aspect - this complex is what causes it's elite classes indulge in it's nefarious activities.

Rafi sir,
single unifying aspect-as evident from this thread, unlike other countries sure as hell is not the army. Our sense of nationalism is derrived from our struggles, but that is pretty evident to you too, but before you bring on your traditional diatribe of 1000 yr rule, I might suggest to introspect your political process initiated by your founder and the role of your army to derail it.

 

[Joe Shearer]

And when have I tried to persuade anyone that I am a dangerous guy?


I can be civil, it is in my Pakistani nature to have a big heart, but for the enemy it can turn into rock.

Quite right, quite right, you can't help but be civil, being the well-brought up guy that you are. But you can get really tough if called on to do so. Formidable, frightening, even.

 

[Ticker]

It's not just nehru, anyone with an educated guess could tell that Pakistan is not going to vacate it positions in kashmir, hence no plebiscite to consider. And wasn't he 100% correct?

"it became clear to me then that we would never get the conditions which were necessary for a plebiscite… so I ruled out the plebiscite for all practical purposes."

He decides in 1948 that, "conditions which were necessary for plebiscite would never be there", so no plebiscite. And in 1952, he tells people of India and more so the people of Kashmir that if you want plebiscite, you will have plebiscite, despite India's constitution.

And then the same person draws a line on the map in 1962 and says, "this is the border between India and China", and gets punched on the face as a reply.

And lest you forget let me remind you, he was one of the founding members of and the leader of New India and was the first Prime Minister.

And you are telling me that he was telling the truth and that there was no hypocrisy involved here.

Such examples can be cited from the remaining Indian hypocrisy laden history as well. But hey, I don't want to embarrass you any further.