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Their leaders be it army or political lack vision.

What they only see is immediate, not beyond that...!!
 
Their leaders be it army or political lack vision.

Correction : Political leaders are not allowed to have a vision or their vision doesn't really matter.
 
Directly from the Horse's mouth. The writer is a defence analyst who retired as a lieutenant colonel in the Pakistan Army

Our two-faced policies on extremists


The cowardly attack on Malala Yousufzai, a 14-year-old child, is a tragic reminder of the violent blowback that Pakistani society continues to bear and sustain at the hands of religious extremists who are extremely upset and frustrated because their creators and mentors are no more willing to support and finance them.
But unfortunately for the state, this change of heart on the part of our military and the intelligence set-up only encourages the militants to indulge in this type of religious vigilantism that we witnessed in the form of an attack on Malala. Since the state is the very source that taught these militants the lessons of jihad, it should shed little or no tears in now going after them, especially now that they have turned their guns towards the state itself.
For all those who are filled with anger and want the perpetrators of this heinous crime to be brought to justice, I ask a very simple question. Who allowed extremism to creep into our society? Who sponsored militancy and gave state patronage to jihadists to fight ‘our secret wars’? Who partnered with the CIA using its dollars and weapons to conduct the biggest covert operations ever in this part of the world? Who again rehabilitated religious extremism by asking the jihadists to occupy Kargil and brought upon us the shame of a failed operation? And most importantly, whose military coup retained and brought to power the mindset of the senior military officers who instead of being held accountable for their military failures were put in positions of authority?
The hands that today hold the weapons that fire on innocent girls like Malala Yousufzai are the same hands that were employed by the state to fight our secret war in Kashmir. The generals of that time propagated the brilliance of their military strategy that employed a few hundred jihadists to engage and hold back half a million Indian troops in Kashmir, thus blocking any Indian military design to challenge us on the eastern front. Little did the generals know that the same guns will one day be used to kill our innocent daughters.
The military in Pakistan was unfortunately allowed to work outside the fold of any central government for too long and with far too much autonomy. This enabled it to create a new ‘ideological frontier’ of which the death squads of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan are an essential part. The guardians of our territorial frontiers were once the creators and guardians of this ideological frontier that has recruited, armed and trained the perverted minds that indulge in violent acts like the one that severely injured Malala.
Who will hold the state accountable for the patronage that it has given to jihadists in the past? Will those who ran the affairs of the state or the autonomous and powerful institutions within the state be ever considered as criminals who committed state crimes?
At least two ISI heads in the past, Lt General Javed Nasir and Lt General Hameed Gul, used the agency to support jihadists and militants as part of state policy. These promoters of ‘great pan-Islamism’ used and employed jihadists not for geostrategic but for ideological reasons. They promoted ‘Islamic nationalism’ by utilising huge funds at their disposal through the dollars stacked in secret ISI accounts. These generals and many others played a direct role in creating and rehabilitating these religious extremists who have today turned their guns on our society.
Utilising power but without any semblance of responsibility, military dictators used the intelligence agencies to create this ‘ideological frontier’ that sustains and feeds cowards like those who fired the shots at Malala. We will not be able to defeat the mindset that harbours and flourishes in the ‘ideological frontier’ by only conducting military operations against its believers, but by bringing to justice all those who have in the past played a role in its creation.
Those who formulated and implemented the policy in the past of supporting, arming and training militants to fight proxy wars against India and Afghanistan must be held accountable. If this is not done, we will have many more leaders playing with the future of this country, leaving Malala, her generation and the generation after that to pay the price.
Published in The Express Tribune, October 11th, 2012.
 
What holds Pakistan back from making peace with us?

Kashmir? Siachen? Sir Creek?

Seriously?

Does anyone honestly believe that were Pakistan agreeable, a combined force of US and Indian and Chinese and possibly Russian boots on the ground could not cleanse them and the area of their Taliban and other scum in under 6 months?

They want to have their cake and eat it too.

Hedging their bets.

Waiting for when the pressure will let up.

So they can go back to their old tricks.

The solution is simple.

Do not relax the pressure.

Leverage internal schisms as force multipliers.

But do not let them break up under any condition.

Slow boil.

Yes, they are now in the same room as the snake they reared, and the pot in which they grew it is shattered beyond repair. The fact that they bred it in the first place is what accounts for the diffidence in their dealing with it. If it were not so tragic and did not have such horrible repercussions for human beings caught in the snake's frequent lunges at its erstwhile patrons, there would be nothing left for us to do. If it were not so easy for a frustrated, wounded leadership to turn around and accuse us of growing the snake, by not letting that leadership have its way with us (and the connotation is intended), if the possibility of an accusation of angering the snake by resisting it and fending off its efforts to bite us were not ruled out, if, in short, the leadership does not turn away from a problem that it can solve but will not solve, we have little to do.

But at this delicately poised stage, it is the easiest thing in the world to write articles of the sort that we read at the outset. This is the unthinking, desperate, familiar way to react; blame the auld enemy for everything, go for him, and all will be sorted out. Not very intelligent, not very rational, but was 48 rational? was 65 rational? was 99 rational? For that matter, was anything earlier rational? We have to live with the irrational.

In order to do so, we have to keep from becoming its target by default. And putting on pressure is not the way. It only attracts attention, and that is the last thing that is desirable. Keep them soothed and dismissive, grow the economy, build indigenous capability, guard against being overwhelmed by the 800 lb gorilla slouching around, and we should get through another twenty/thirty years. By then I'll be dead, let someone else worry.
 
Same old, same old.

The enemies of Pakistan are all within their borders. Why is India even an existential threat to Pakistan? What proof is there to even accuse India of terrorism on their soil? None. Absolutely none that has been produced so far. It has just been accusations in order to mask the fact that they are sponsoring cross border terrorism.

According to people like this person that wrote this article, there are 3 enemies of Pakistan: The evil Hindu with horns, a mole on his left cheek and fiery breath, the evil and violent Christian and the evil and scheming Jew. All these "enemies" are trying to eat Pakistan alive :lol: What nonsense.

What they fail to see is their own state of affairs, their own religious extremists, the Taliban, their Mullahs, their terrorist sympathizers, their sectarian conflicts that are eating Pakistan from within, like termites. Classic case of blaming the weather.
 
Because the cost of these useless and money-sucking parleys, conferences, talks and so on are cheap ways to keep them peaceful and pre-occupied.

The main task of the Indian Army, Air Force and Navy against Pakistan is to make sure that they do not float yet another addle-pated misadventure. Why they do so in the teeth of all objective criteria is wrapped in folk-lore and in the psyche of a set of people who perceived threats where there were none, who sought guarantees against aggression that did not exist, who wanted to defend themselves against a foe whom they described as timid and unwarlike. It goes beyond reason, and is wrapped up in the bitterness overcoming an elite who have to suffer degradation from elite status. So Pakistan will always attack; it is at that time that she is dangerous, not while defending.

The second reason is the Ronald Reagan defence. As long as the two countries are at peace, some kind of peace, the Indian economy gains - every single day - an additional edge over the Pakistani economy. Our competition is not with the Chinese, not even with the Pakistani, it is with ourselves. It is we who are holding ourselves back, by not completing reforms and the dismantling of the administration of minute controls. It is we who can release ourselves to grow to the position that we held till as late as the advent of the British, when the wealth of India was a significant proportion of the wealth of the world. And for that we need peace.

The effects of this drawing away in economic and financial terms is already clear. The Pakistanis have lost the battle, the war, mentally. Their purchase decisions are imbued with an air of defeat. They buy what they know is compromised technology, re-works of yesteryear, and justify it by pointing to an increasing amount of indigenisation of their main battle tank. An effort like the Arjun is beyond them, and if we were to look at things with an unbiased vision, we would realize that but for our military's greed and hunger for Russian bribes, we have already won the battle for the mind against Pakistan. Minor defects like the shortage of ammunition for tanks, and shortage of artillery, and several others which go unreported, are nothing but minor defects. They will evaporate once pressure builds up, and can exist only as long as everyone knows that these are storms in a tea-cup, commotions in a time of peace. So, too, with their aircraft provisioning; so, too, with the evident confusion in naval planning, devoid of strategy or reason to the point where anything that the Indian Navy does looks good by comparison.

If this continues for another decade - two would be nicer - there will be a permanent salience of morale against them, in favour of India. As this salience grows, the danger also grows that some intelligent general, who realizes what is happening (as most of them do even today) and, unlike the others, decides to arrest the process by giving the military something to chew on and so goes to war, will find us between one stage of preparedness and another.

That is why I believe that you would do a great service to the nation - both nations - by calming the waters on the surface, and allow the invisible hand to work its miracles. If only the Pakistanis realized that we would do nothing about Baluchistan for the simple reason that all that a hostile Indian administration might wish for is being achieved for them with ridiculous ease by the other side. So, too, with all other problems afflicting them. They are the Sorcerer's Apprentice; they have nursed and let loose forces beyond their control, and our task should only be to let them sort things out internally, in their on-going but unannounced civil war, and only to stir into action to go to their rescue if things get too bad, or to stop foolhardy aggression as we have had to do so many times before.

A morose narrative swinging between sarcasm laden pseudo-Victorian English and rhetoricism.

Joe Shearer, you are one of those who attempts to write geopolitical prose without understanding geopolitics.

Please restrict yourself to sarcasm laden pseudo-Victorian English expression highlighting petty social issues - anything beyond that is beyond your comprehension restricted by meager mental resource constraints.
 
Regardless of all the good intentions in the world, a land bridge would do most fine for India.

I do not see the Indian deep state letting up on that score.

Dont ask. Dont tell.

Its easier for India to have aman with a Pakistan that was always India.

Once the Afghan and Iranic elements have been purged.

A buffer is highly desirable.

We just need to rework the buffer to what it always was.

All our current acrimony comes from what and where was always us.

Let that part alone. Controlling a known foe and one who thinks and reacts much like you is never tough.

Balochistan will take its own course, with or without our help. There are bigger players than us who will ensure that.

And once the action moves south south west, the north north east presents opportunities afresh.

Because if there is one reality for Pakistan, it is that unlike India it cannot be at two places at the same time.
 
india is that enemy of Pakistan that goes around trying to create more enemies for us , destroying this one enemy takes care of all the others that either want to join up with this enemy or want to use it against us.
 
india is that enemy of Pakistan that goes around trying to create more enemies for us , destroying this one enemy takes care of all the others that either want to join up with this enemy or want to use it against us.

Yup. Keep telling yourself that and keeping your head in the sand. Just count the number of people killed in Indo-Pak wars and the number of people killed by your terrorists. And please spare us all the conspiracy crap.
 
india is that enemy of Pakistan that goes around trying to create more enemies for us , destroying this one enemy takes care of all the others that either want to join up with this enemy or want to use it against us.

Pakdefender, please do not destroy us. Think of our kids and women and old people bro.
 
I posted similar comments in another thread as well. These are equally valid here as well.

This is Indian Army deployment against Pakistan. Around 80% is of it is deployed against Pakistan - obviously this is where the main threat emanates from.


Indian Army

There are a total of six operational commands of Indian Army. Out of these four are deployed against Pakistan. The fifth one (Eastern Command) which is cited to look after the Chinese front in NE India, Bangladesh and Myanmar borders, however, bulk of it is likely to be employed against Pakistan during a war as has been previously witnessed.

There are currently thirteen Corps, of which ten are defensive and three are strike Corps. Ten out of the thirteen Corps are deployed against Pakistan. The three strike Corps consist of three armoured divisions, four Infantry divisions, five mechanised divisions and three artillery divisions. Pakistan is the only country against whom these mechanised components of the strike forces numbering over 3000 tanks and infantry carriers and the mechanized artillery components could be used against.

Indian Navy

IN is divided into four Naval Commands, including a tri-service Andaman Nicobar Command. It has over 130 ships, 17 submarines and around 200 aircraft and helicopters. Eleven out of a total of fifteen naval bases are deployed against Pakistan.

Indian Air Force

Indian Air Force comprises of seven Commands, out of which five are operational. It has over fourty operational squadrons and I think twelve Transport Squadrons. 29 Indian air bases are located against Pakistan as compared to merely six against China, which India cites as its enemy number one.



Precepts of Indian military strategy clearly indicate that these forces would be permanently poised against Pakistan, irrespective of the kind of threat that emerges from China.

Pakistan Army is very right in stating that the major military threat emanates from India.

There are other threats that can be assessed to emanate from presence of out of region forces in Afghanistan and elsewhere and the threat from Afghanistan itself. I am sure that all these would be assessed by GOP and the Armed Forces. But there is no denying the fact that India poses the biggest threat to Pakistan.
 
Ticker eventually Pakistan will have to stand down and disband or be disarmed.

You see Bangladesh?

We have our arm around their shoulder in a big brotherly hug.

We will soon have our other arm around our other kid brother.

Nothing like smothering big brotherly love .....
 

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