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The endless ideological wars against China

This is not a true danger since the People's Republic of China is already morally corrupt. The only real danger is that the PRC ruling class might lose their favored status. Fortunately for them (the Party leaders) the Chinese people have not awakened yet from the brainwashing they have endured. Mao is gone but his dead hand still crushes the souls of his countrymen.
By any objective measure, the most morally corrupt country today is the U.S. How do you define "morally corrupt" ?

Is bombing and invading countries and killing millions in the process not morally corrupt to you - as long as you have a good life in the U.S.?

What about toppling governments in other nations and installing puppet regimes serving western interests only; is that considered moral or immoral to westerners? What about supporting rogue states such as Israel and threatening those who resist these occupying powers?
 
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I agree, all communist leaders were Darwinists and also believed in 'social darwinism' which brings suffering and wars.

Social darwinism is correct though, and capitalists also believe in social darwinism. The british invented both the concepts of capitalism and social darwinism and applied it very successfully in managing the "poorer lot", "coloreds" and "continentals" for 100 years.

Sorry, modern society is one of competition guided by the laws of biology and economics. The only difference is, humans have gone beyond number of offspring as a measure of reproductive success and instead have changed to a measure that I'd call "power index" defined as (productivity)*(offspring number) with units MoneyPeople; the purpose of life is to first find the function given by f(pi) and then maximize it.

Forget the american, they can't think quantitatively and logically. Most graduates in China and India are scientists and engineers, most graduate in the US are businessmen.
 
We have to keep in mind that there are a few critical thinkers in the west who have better understandings of the current situation. Take this man, for example:

Courtesy of Blitizo from sinodefence:

Turning Chinese Tables - Swampland - TIME.com
Turning Chinese Tables

Thomas P.M. Barnett is an old Pentagon hand and heavy-duty national-security thinker. He's perplexed by a glaring omission in Tuesday's front-page New York Times' piece on the growing distrust expressed by young Chinese military officers towards the U.S.



"This is the same U.S. military that assembles multinational war games in China's front yard and sells advanced weaponry to a small island nation off its coast--in addition to anyone else who will buy it in the region (and yes, business is very good right now, as weapons purchases are up 100% over the past half decade)," he writes in his blog. "Are we honestly that clueless or has our disingenuity broken through to some higher, slightly irrational plane?"

He then details how things might look if China were doing in our neighborhood what we are now doing in theirs:


Follow me into this brave, alternative world:

-- Imagine the Chinese navy holding multinational exercises with the Cubans and Venezuelans and Nicaraguans (a silly sight, I know) in the waters around Cuba, while Beijing warns us subtly that their 1979 Cuba Defense Act will be pursued to the ultimate vigor required, including the sale of advanced attack aircraft to the Cuban air force.

-- Imagine Chinese carriers conducting such operations, sporting aircraft and weaponry that could rain destruction over most of the continental U.S. at a moment's notice.

-- Imagine Chinese spy craft patrolling the edge of our local waters and flying around the rim of our airspace.

-- Imagine the Chinese selling all sorts of missile defense to Venezuela and other allies "scared of rising American militarism."

-- Imagine weapons purchases throughout Latin America doubling in five years time, with China supplying most of the goods.

-- Imagine Chinese naval bases and marine barracks doting the Latin American landscape and Caribbean archipelago.

-- Imagine a Cuban missile crisis-like event in the mid-1990s, which led the Chinese military to propose a new evolution in their warfare since. (A reference to the Taiwan Strait crises of 1995-96)

-- Imagine the Chinese military conducting regime toppling events in the Middle East, involving countries upon whom our energy dependency is dramatically and permanently rising, while China actually gets the vast bulk of its oil from non-Persian Gulf sources like Canada, Mexico, Latin America, Africa and itself.

-- Imagine the Chinese government demanding that the Chinese military produce an elaborate report every year detailing the "disturbing" rise of U.S. military power.

-- Imagine the Chinese military announcing their new military doctrine of attack from the sea and air, with their documents chock full of bombing maps of U.S. military installations that are widely dispersed across the entirety of the continental United States, meaning their new war doctrine has--at its core--the complete destruction of U.S. military assets on our territory as the opening bid.

-- Imagine the U.S. military stating that this new doctrine of attacking the entirety of the U.S. territory is necessary to maintaining the regional balance of power in the Western hemisphere, because the U.S. Navy has--in an "unprovoked" and "provocative" manner, begun significant patrolling operations in the Caribbean Basin, whose waters constitute a "profound" national interest to the Chinese.

-- Imagine this series of developments unfolding over close to two decades, as China, having lost its familiar great-power war foe, the Soviet Union, firmly glommed onto the U.S. as a replacement enemy image.

-- Imagine all that, and then imagine how the U.S. military views the Chinese military.

-- Imagine if the Chinese military offered military-to-military ties under such conditions. (Something the U.S. has been seeking.)

What do you think the U.S. Congress would say to that? Would it be considered "caving in" to Chinese pressure?

The truth, unexplored in this otherwise fine article, is that the U.S. military needs--and has needed--rising China as an enemy image for more than a decade-and-a-half now, so I don't know how we can expect anything from young Chinese officers other than returning the favor.
 
This thread is not meant to be a slap against 'western values' rather it is to discuss the mindsets of some people/establishments who happens to be in the political westernsphere.

Pure capitalism and darwinism thinking is not healthy for this world. People are more than productive units.

China can do more to improve their standards of living and they are progressing day by day. People who really think China is out to take over the world should see how much work it is to manage China alone.
 
Its in the interest of the Chinese people and Chinese society to not adopt the morally corrupt western culture

That is a too general a statement. The common people in the west also wants what is best for them and their children. But the media-news-advertisement atmosphere is very subtle in its influence. In fact things were alot better before the vietnam hippie era, back then it was progressive. The moon missions and other projects shows it.
 
That is a too general a statement. The common people in the west also wants what is best for them and their children. But the media-news-advertisement atmosphere is very subtle in its influence. In fact things were alot better before the vietnam hippie era, back then it was progressive. The moon missions and other projects shows it.

now western culture is dominated by 2 things: some sick far right naziism religious fervor, and brutal imperialism hidden under the coat of human rights.
 
There's a fine line between being competitive and being invasive. The US is losing concept of that. But I don't blame them; every country that remains superpower for a long time tends to slowly turn towards overaggressive expansion.
 
we are facing the same things that japan was in the 19th century, except we're even more of a threat to the white/jewish global order than japan was, since japan even in the 19th century adopted so many western cultural aspects.

it's like how russia was the outcast of europe for not being as "white" as the rest, how it was isolated even 1 year after the formation of the USSR.

we should start our own prize. make it something like the Eurasian Peace Price and give it to people like the Hawaii Independence Movement or Alaska Independence Movement.


There is ONE MAJOR difference. Unlike 19th century Japan, China is not expansionist.

China is the first great power to write a peaceful doctrine that promises that China won't interfere in other affairs. The PLA's doctrine only allows it to use force for self-defense only

 
See, that's where you have it all wrong. Den Xiaoping only deserves credit for letting the Chinese people out of their tiny prison cells and into the prison yard. Any success that China a has had is because of the intelligence and incredible endurance of the Chinese average man. The CCP deserves ZERO credit for anything but getting a little bit out of the way. IF the CCP would get totally out of the way, then the Chinese people, and the world, would be an order of magnitude better off. You see, the CCP is a parasite, feeding off its own people. Nothing is more morally corrupt than the CCP. Even the debauched Americans are not .....(Well, maybe the Russians ...)


Well, maybe the similar can be said that US governments move Red Skin Indians from butch sites to Indian reserves.

I’m not saying Mao hadn’t committed crime. If Mao didn’t commit crimes, neither would US governments.

Before Mao, Chinese life expectancy is 35 years and literacy is about 20%. Now they enjoy the life expectancy 73, and a literacy of 91%. Do you know what a 35-year life expectancy looks like? That is the life expectancy of Homo sapiens lived 100,000 years ago. So, if there were no CPC, it is pretty sure that the Chinese and the world wouldn’t be better off.

There are reasons that the Chinese still support/tolerate CPC.

Actually many CPC members are ordinary workers, farmers, soldiers and intellectuals. You cannot really separate CPC with ordinary people so distinctly. There are perhaps no fewer parasites that are not CPC. Here, many Wall street alligators and cooperate America CEOs are the biggest parasites in the world, who would drive their blood-sucking funnel into any thing, domestic and international, that smells like money, relentlessly and recklessly.
 
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Before Mao, Chinese life expectancy is 35 years and literacy is about 20%. Now they enjoy the life expectancy 73, and a literacy of 91%. Do you know what a 35-year life expectancy looks like? That is the life expectancy of Homo sapiens lived 100,000 years ago. So, if there were no CPC, it is pretty sure that the Chinese and the world wouldn’t be better off.

I don't know how you could easily whitewash the murder of 78 million people who were killed by Mao's insecurities and foolishness. The CCP has killed more Chinese people than any foreign nation, including Japan.

China could have easily risen as fast as Japan did during the 70's and 80's if it wasn't for Zedong's ways.

Though communism is dead in China, the same does not go for the Communist Party of China. Perhaps once that party is removed from power China can truly advance responsibly.

By the way, "Red Skin Indian" is a racist term, you should learn to drop it from your vocabulary.
 
I don't know how you could easily whitewash the murder of 78 million people who were killed by Mao's insecurities and foolishness. The CCP has killed more Chinese people than any foreign nation, including Japan.

China could have easily risen as fast as Japan did during the 70's and 80's if it wasn't for Zedong's ways.

Though communism is dead in China, the same does not go for the Communist Party of China. Perhaps once that party is removed from power China can truly advance responsibly.

By the way, "Red Skin Indian" is a racist term, you should learn to drop it from your vocabulary.

Perhaps you don't know the fact that Westerners already white washed the fact that they murdered 100 million native people during their colonialism era.

Mao Zedong in fact not only lifted Chinese life standard, but also dared and succeeded in fending off UN troops led by US, and thus truly established China among the world powers. Without Mao, the Chinese would have been kept being raped by not just Japan...

A fool will never be able to tell that Japan is an occupied country up to day, and China is an independent country. Without CPC, China would be, to the best, today's India or the Philippines.

While western democracy seems to produce vampires in wall street and homeless in main street, China is perhaps an alternative system with its uniqueness, albeit still under development...
 
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Perhaps you don't know the fact that Westerners already white washed the fact that they murdered 100 million native people during their colonialism era.

Mao Zedong in fact not only lifted Chinese life standard, but also dared and succeeded in fending off UN troops led by US, and thus truly established China among the world powers. Without Mao, the Chinese would have been kept being raped by not just Japan...

A fool will never be able to tell that Japan is an occupied country up to day, and China is an independent country. Without CPC, China would be, to the best, today's India or the Philippines.

While western democracy seems to produce vampires in wall street and homeless in main street, China is perhaps an alternative system with its uniqueness, albeit still under development...

With a GDP per capita equal to Albania, I doubt PRC's "uniqueness" is anything to envy.

Oh and add to that 78 million the 100 million killed in the Great Famine during the 1800's and the 40 million killed during the Taiping Rebellion. And these are their own people!
 
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