The end of the deal, hopes, delusions and treasons

[Cthulhu]

then due to extended 3 years of guarantee to companies

Dude, There won't be any "extended 3 years of guarantee" because whatever deal Biden signs on won't be a legally binding deal in the U.S.

 

[QWECXZ]

Dude, There won't be any "extended 3 years of guarantee" because whatever deal Biden signs on won't be a legally binding deal in the U.S.

I'm really surprised at how delusional some people could be.

So, here's the situation:
The US has unilaterally sanctioned Iran and every European Union country, even though these sanctions are non-binding by international law, are abiding by the US unilateral sanctions and have isolated Iran economically.
On the other hand, Iran still does not possess nuclear weapons to the best of our knowledge and Iran has failed to execute its earlier nuclear threats (IR-40 reactor, 190K SWU UF6/year, avenging assassination of Fakhrizadeh, etc.) and wants to pretend that installing some 500 IR-6 centrifuges is a proper response to over $100B damage that the US sanctions have caused and continue to cause to Iran's economy.

So, with that said, the only rational explanation that the US might be interested in returning to the deal is if they have an alternative plan that in the long run would benefit them. Why would the US want to hand over Iran $100B otherwise? Who believes that the US is after friendly relations with Iran? Trump, being the unintelligent loudmouth he is, did us a huge favor by pulling the US out of the deal instead of activating the trigger which could've automatically reinstated all UNSC sanctions on Iran again. The US obviously regrets that stupid move because they made a huge mistake, luckily for us.

Anyone who doesn't see this is either a complete fool, or has his head buried in the sand, or is a traitor.
To think that Zarif got so much hate from us for doing something that is being repeated as we speak by people who criticized him...
It seems to me that only the likes of Shariatmadari and Fereydoon Abbasi have been consistent about their stance on the JCPOA.

 

[aryobarzan]

F*ck this JCPOA...build the bomb


US State department assessment if Iran builds the BOMB .
Egypt: will not build a bomb
Turkey: may or may not build a bomb
Saudi: will do anything to build or buy the bomb.

 

[lydian fall]

F*ck this JCPOA...build the bomb


US State department assessment if Iran builds the BOMB .
Egypt: will not build a bomb
Turkey: may or may not build a bomb
Saudi: will do anything to build or buy the bomb.

Iran must build the bomb and IRGC must continue emad projec in every corner of Iran

God damn Rouhani Rafsanjani Zibakalams and Zarif





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[libertad]

I'm really surprised at how delusional some people could be.

So, here's the situation:
The US has unilaterally sanctioned Iran and every European Union country, even though these sanctions are non-binding by international law, are abiding by the US unilateral sanctions and have isolated Iran economically.
On the other hand, Iran still does not possess nuclear weapons to the best of our knowledge and Iran has failed to execute its earlier nuclear threats (IR-40 reactor, 190K SWU UF6/year, avenging assassination of Fakhrizadeh, etc.) and wants to pretend that installing some 500 IR-6 centrifuges is a proper response to over $100B damage that the US sanctions have caused and continue to cause to Iran's economy.

So, with that said, the only rational explanation that the US might be interested in returning to the deal is if they have an alternative plan that in the long run would benefit them. Why would the US want to hand over Iran $100B otherwise? Who believes that the US is after friendly relations with Iran? Trump, being the unintelligent loudmouth he is, did us a huge favor by pulling the US out of the deal instead of activating the trigger which could've automatically reinstated all UNSC sanctions on Iran again. The US obviously regrets that stupid move because they made a huge mistake, luckily for us.

Anyone who doesn't see this is either a complete fool, or has his head buried in the sand, or is a traitor.
To think that Zarif got so much hate from us for doing something that is being repeated as we speak by people who criticized him...
It seems to me that only the likes of Shariatmadari and Fereydoon Abbasi have been consistent about their stance on the JCPOA.

Its all bs. The US maintains the luxury of escalating and deescalating tensions at their leisure. Iran is always reacting to what US a d ziostain are doing. ALWAYS on the defensive. Iran must impose steep punitive monetary costs as restitution for lost ecomonic activity when Trump pulled out of JCPOA, as a precondition to make another deal. Failure to do so is just setting yourself up for failure. Iran must get out of this survival mode its been on for decades and begin to thrive.

 

[Stryker1982]

I'm really surprised at how delusional some people could be.

So, here's the situation:
The US has unilaterally sanctioned Iran and every European Union country, even though these sanctions are non-binding by international law, are abiding by the US unilateral sanctions and have isolated Iran economically.
On the other hand, Iran still does not possess nuclear weapons to the best of our knowledge and Iran has failed to execute its earlier nuclear threats (IR-40 reactor, 190K SWU UF6/year, avenging assassination of Fakhrizadeh, etc.) and wants to pretend that installing some 500 IR-6 centrifuges is a proper response to over $100B damage that the US sanctions have caused and continue to cause to Iran's economy.

So, with that said, the only rational explanation that the US might be interested in returning to the deal is if they have an alternative plan that in the long run would benefit them. Why would the US want to hand over Iran $100B otherwise? Who believes that the US is after friendly relations with Iran? Trump, being the unintelligent loudmouth he is, did us a huge favor by pulling the US out of the deal instead of activating the trigger which could've automatically reinstated all UNSC sanctions on Iran again. The US obviously regrets that stupid move because they made a huge mistake, luckily for us.

Anyone who doesn't see this is either a complete fool, or has his head buried in the sand, or is a traitor.
To think that Zarif got so much hate from us for doing something that is being repeated as we speak by people who criticized him...
It seems to me that only the likes of Shariatmadari and Fereydoon Abbasi have been consistent about their stance on the JCPOA.

People want sanctions relief but they also want to know that all this suffering, blood, and economic damage was actually worth something in the end.

 

[thesaint]

US may sign but will hardly ever implement it's part of obligation. Behind the scene it will encourage/threat everyone. Iran may be falling into a trap.

 

[libertad]

US may sign but will hardly ever implement it's part of obligation. Behind the scene it will encourage/threat everyone. Iran may be falling into a trap.

Right after Obama signed initial JCPOA in 2015, he was already pressuring banks and conglomerates in Europe not to open up to Iran, only he was doing it secretly. Obama was undermining the JCPOA to keep you weak right after he signed it. Obama, Hillary, Biden, Romney etc would have kept a face of 'civility'. Understand why our military and intelligence establishment HATES Trump. He pulled the mask off this 'civility'. Trump let you know that you are dealing with a terrorist, lunatic, mafia entity, entirely subservient to ziostain objectives. That is the gift Trump gave you in his impulsiveness. You must adapt wisely to it.

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

Right after Obama signed initial JCPOA in 2015, he was already pressuring banks and conglomerates in Europe not to open up to Iran, only he was doing it secretly. Obama was undermining the JCPOA to keep you weak right after he signed it. Obama, Hillary, Biden, Romney etc would have kept a face of 'civility'. Understand why our military and intelligence establishment HATES Trump. He pulled the mask off this 'civility'. Trump let you know that you are dealing with a terrorist, lunatic, mafia entity, entirely subservient to ziostain objectives. That is the gift Trump gave you in his impulsiveness. You must adapt wisely to it.

Trump is a POS who will rot in hell for what he did to Sardar Soleimani. Any good that comes to Iran is/was from God, not some plastic orange devil worshipper.

 

[SalarHaqq]

this is the exact same kos sher deal that hassan rouhani and javad zarif signed.

when US eventually leaves (because we all know if it's signed, they will leave or renege eventually).

US may sign but will hardly ever implement it's part of obligation. Behind the scene it will encourage/threat everyone. Iran may be falling into a trap.

Nothing was signed and nothing will ever be signed when it comes to the JCPOA, because the JCPOA is not a signed international accord in the sense of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, but a mere political declaration of intent which onto itself is not legally binding (only the subsequent UN Security Council resolution that endorsed the JCPOA's provisions tends to lend such a quality to the latter).

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US State department assessment if Iran builds the BOMB .
Egypt: will not build a bomb
Turkey: may or may not build a bomb
Saudi: will do anything to build or buy the bomb.

None of those can nor will do anything in this regard without explicit authorization from the USA and zionist regimes. Which are never going to allow any of their subordinate client states in the region to enter the so-called "nuclear club".

The only plausible scenario is one where the US regime itself stations nuclear weapons in these countries, while falsely claiming they belong to the latter when in truth full control over the weapons will be with Washington in all aspects.

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Its all bs. The US maintains the luxury of escalating and deescalating tensions at their leisure. Iran is always reacting to what US a d ziostain are doing. ALWAYS on the defensive.

What did the US regime gain from it? How did it serve their strategic goals vis à vis Iran? Brief answer: in no way whatsoever.

Iran must impose steep punitive monetary costs as restitution for lost ecomonic activity when Trump pulled out of JCPOA, as a precondition to make another deal. Failure to do so is just setting yourself up for failure. Iran must get out of this survival mode its been on for decades and begin to thrive.

Are you validating the notion that Iran's economic development is intrinsically and inevitably tied to sanctions relief and that there's no possible alternative?

Also what makes you assume Iran hasn't thrived over the past decades? And that if certain domestic issues are fixed, she won't thrive even more irregardless of US-imposed sanctions?

 

[Hack-Hook]

I don't know jack, Except the fact that this is the exact same kos sher deal that hassan rouhani and javad zarif signed.

national security council and parliament also signed it and guardian council ratified it

 

[raptor22]

Wow. Big deal! 500 IR-6 centrifuges. I'm sure the West is devastated now. LOL

Dude, 500 IR-6 centrifuges is about 3000 SWU UF6/Year. It's really nothing compared to what Iran needs to become a real nuclear power.

If the IR is sincere with its threats, they should've rebuilt the IR-40 reactor again. The parliament's bill was passed almost 2 years ago and nothing has been done in that regard ever since.

Wow don't be "Mola Loghtai" 500 or 1M the point is the will to respond which lacked under Rohani administration and FYI that 500 was just a respond to passing resuscitation in IAEA no other issue ... if such a response or a chain of them was done back in 8 may 2018 Trump would have thought it twice to reimpose sanctions as American 11 deadlines got them nowhere since new talks started.
It could be defined under "Negotiation Nibbling":

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The most common tactic used on salespeople in negotiation is called “nibbling”. The same way a mouse might nibble at a piece of cheese with small bites until it’s completely gone, 'nibbling' is asking for small items, one at a time, and getting agreement on each until you’ve gotten a lot. No matter what you sell, or who you sell to – it’s in your world. ?? Because each request is small, it’s very easy for you to give in.​

Iran managed to decrease one year breakout to 3 weeks for 3 bombs by this tactic, made a new salon in Natanz under mountain and increase enrichment to 60%.

By your plan all EU, Russia and China would stand next to the US and support it as they would have excuse to blame Iran. On the other hand if Installing enough centrifuges to have 190K SWU or rebuilding IR-40 was the key to economical growth then NK nukes should have made it 1st economy in the Asia and made the US to remove its sanctions which we know didn't happen.
What I know is except in basic and fundamental issues, the quality of social life of individuals and the foreign relations of governments are based on the two concepts of right and expediency. Diplomacy is a bridge that is built for optimal and practical connection between these two concepts so governments do not fall into the valley of war. Based on this, a diplomatic negotiation reaches a desired result when the so-called negotiation succeeds in creating a logical combination between these two aforementioned concepts. Considering each of these two concepts as absolute causes loss or deadlock in diplomatic negotiations. the JCPoA itself had serious flaws be it SDN list, U-turn, 90 days period of Waivers, lack of guarantee and most importantly dealing over what pushed American to negotiations as the deal's guarantee so once it was dealt with, no reason left for the other side to stay in it.
IR has been trying to address some of these flaws while I neither am on negotiation team nor know what they done except what has leaked.

Some other over here just wanna have bomb with no clear plan for economy for the next 2 decades .. Mao once said "Power comes from the barrel of a gun" which later realized it comes out of growth rate.
از سال 96 تا حال حجم اقتصاد نصب شده

So you gotta percent me with your so called plan for economy for the next 2 decades with or without JCPoA or any other vision than you have then I could tell my views .. bashing around or calling them delusional is not the way to debate. All people are looking at the issue by their own views of future that may not be in the line of yours so first ask them their views then tell yours.

As I said before on bomb:

"...How long is it gonna take to have 100 nukes and a decent delivery system like an ICBM next to it ? I mean the idea of having nuke is tempting but the process, time and investment that it needs is huge ,,, making a bomb is something and its proliferation is whole another story.​

And do you really think others would stand idle looking at you to fill this gap and built up your arsenal?​

Practically we've paid the price and for sure American would not remove the sanction but as I said before the sanctions are economical and making a bomb which is military in response doesn't make sense at all ... our nuke is 100k Hezbollah accurate missiles ... to have real deterrence build up Iran economy , talk to the people, connect our economy with BRICS and have direct financial ties with all countries , remove Yarane and pay it directly to people, structural changes in the banking system ...."​

Dude, There won't be any "extended 3 years of guarantee" because whatever deal Biden signs on won't be a legally binding deal in the U.S.

I just quoted what they said and then added:

"However I dunno how on earth they are so sure about Biden ... besides there is no talk about U-turn ..."​

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

Seems like IRGC will remain a terrorist organisation in the eyes of the terrorist Americans. I guess it's now just a silly label that gets thrown around and that doesnt amount to anything other than childish name calling.

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

Seems like IRGC will remain a terrorist organisation in the eyes of the terrorist Americans. I guess it's now just a silly label that gets thrown around and that doesnt amount to anything other than childish name calling.

In time, it will remain nothing more than a useless label.

The Russia-Ukraine war has scared the whole world of an energy and food crisis. They'll flout sanctions and restrictions if it means they'll starve or cut off from electricity.

 

[libertad]

Nothing was signed and nothing will ever be signed when it comes to the JCPOA, because the JCPOA is not a signed international accord in the sense of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, but a mere political declaration of intent which onto itself is not legally binding (only the subsequent UN Security Council resolution that endorsed the JCPOA's provisions tends to lend such a quality to the latter).

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None of those can nor will do anything in this regard without explicit authorization from the USA and zionist regimes. Which are never going to allow any of their subordinate client states in the region to enter the so-called "nuclear club".

The only plausible scenario is one where the US regime itself stations nuclear weapons in these countries, while falsely claiming they belong to the latter when in truth full control over the weapons will be with Washington in all aspects.

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What did the US regime gain from it? How did it serve their strategic goals vis à vis Iran? Brief answer: in no way whatsoever.



Are you validating the notion that Iran's economic development is intrinsically and inevitably tied to sanctions relief and that there's no possible alternative?

Also what makes you assume Iran hasn't thrived over the past decades? And that if certain domestic issues are fixed, she won't thrive even more irregardless of US-imposed sanctions?

What makes you think US foreign policy is strictly about US economic interests? Sanctions on 400+ million people does not help us economically. We would be far better off doing business with all the countries we are sanctioning. But we are ruled by a zio military indurstrial complex. The interests of the zios and the weapons makers rule.

If your economic interests are not tied to sanctions relief why are you trying to make a deal after being stabbed in the back? Even after sabotages and assassinations you still want to make a deal, with no demands for restitution for crimes against you. Why not just go about your business not caring how many sanctions are put on you? Why did you waste 2 years naively hoping that the EU would defy Washington unilaterally pulling out of the JCPOA, only realizing later that you have been played and the sanctions were being clamped back on? Even Russia put sanctions back on you. I think you have done better than most countries would under similar circumstances, but from your leadership it looks like you still want a deal for sanctions relief. Which will do you no good in the end.