The Egyptian/Israeli War 1973-First Victory of Arabs against Israel

[The SC]

Early on October 24, just as the new ceasefire was scheduled to start, Israeli tanks and troops moved into the semi-deserted city. But they soon encountered resistance from a small militia. By the time they were driven from the city, 80 Israeli soldiers were dead and 120 wounded.

On the same day, an alarming message reached Washington: the Soviets were considering taking unilateral action to impose the ceasefire. With Richard Nixon, the US president, submerged in the ‘Watergate Scandal’, it was left to Henry Kissinger, the US secretary of state, to handle the crisis. He decided to respond to the Soviet threat with a show of force. The US armed forces state of alert was raised to the highest level in peacetime.

Walter J Boyne, the author of The Two O'Clock War says: “The question of the US versus [the] Soviet Union always boils down to mutual annihilation: we could’ve killed everybody in the Soviet Union, they could’ve killed everybody in the US, and the rest of the world would’ve gone. It was an absolutely insane situation. The thing that saved it was that each side knew that if a war occurred the leaders themselves would get killed. So when you know you are going to get killed in a war, not just some poor peasant soldier is going to get killed, you make different decisions about starting a war.”

The next day, diplomacy prevailed, the Soviets stepped back and the alert was defused. But for a full 24 hours, the world had stood on the brink of a war between two nuclear superpowers.

Meanwhile, the UN Security Council issued Resolution 340 – its third in less than four days.

Remembering the war in October - Special series - Al Jazeera English

 

[The SC]

Israel did not adhere to the ceasefire, creating a third bridge and starting its expansion to the south. However, Israel failed to occupy Suez city as it failed earlier to occupy Ismailia, and it stopped its attacks in the area on October 28.
Meanwhile, Egypt fashioned an armored force from its army at the west of the canal, threatening to besiege the Israeli forces there if they did not respect the ceasefire.

The Israelis enhanced their presence west of the canal by fear of the growing number of Egyptian battalions there. The Egyptians managed to besiege the Israelis in a narrow stretch in the west of the canal, and were ready to attack them if negotiations were to fail.

The siege caused Israeli Army Chief Haim Bar Lev to say that his forces would become a hostage of the Egyptian forces if they decide to attack them.

As a result of the war, Egyptians were dominant in the area to the west of the canal.

Israel realized the extent of Egyptian power, and asked for U.S. help, announcing that it accepted the results of negotiations between the U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and the Egyptian President Anwar Sadat and accepted withdrawing from the whole of the Sinai area.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/per...Egypt-s-military-victory-in-October-1973.html

 

[The SC]

IDF crossing operation was only facilitated by the US Nickel Grass operation. Without it IDF would not pocess 400 tanks out of the 650 tanks that crossed the canal. Even with these, IDF penetrated the Egyptian army lines in Defresour through the most bloody battles that faced it since 1948. It was a journey to Hell that led to a clear threatened military status. The 7 armoured IDF battalions that were located west of th Canal were wittnessing a fast Egyptian power build up against them. Their political unconditioned withdrawal on the 18th of January to 35 kms east of the Canal, while the Egyptian army continue guarding its positions east of the Canal is an unquestioned evidence of the Egyptian army victory in that war.

 

[Desertfalcon]

Egyptian Army is the only competent army in all of Arab World.

I would disagree. Saudi Arabia's armed forces are very well equipped (more or less, on par with Israel.) and trained. Jordan has very competent armed forces that are professionally led and motivated.

 

[asad71]

At the end the media "wins". And the media is owned by the Zionists. The Arabs have always been a courageous people. Can you imagine even a single Kamikaze pilot or suicide bomber produced by the Jewish nation?

 

[500]

All this is from an Israeli account!!!
Yom Kippur War: Embattled Israeli Bridgehead at Chinese Farm

The battle at Chinese Farm was indeed very bloody and risky. But Israelis prevailed in the end.

In a phone call with Israeli ambassador Simcha Dinitz, Kissinger told the ambassador that the destruction of the Egyptian Third Army "is an option that does not exist." Despite being surrounded however, the Third Army managed to maintain its combat integrity east of the canal and keep up its defensive positions.

Wikipedia.

Yep only the intervention of superpowers is the only thing which saved the third army.

This is what you "forgot" to include in your quote:

As a result, the United States exerted tremendous pressure on the Israelis to refrain from destroying the trapped army, even threatening to support a UN resolution demanding that the Israelis withdraw to their October 22 positions if they did not allow non-military supplies to reach the army.

And I will bring Shazly again:

Sadat, who had rejected the advice of the Soviet Union on October 12 to seek a ceasefire, and who continued to reject that advice until, too late, he accepted it on October 19, now found himself begging for Soviet help.

During the early hours of October 24, six Soviet airborne divisions were put on alert and Soviet Premier Brezhnev sent President Nixon what amounted to an ultimatum. Under pressure from the United States, Israel accepted another ceasefire from October 24.

do you think annihilating 3rd army would have happened with 3rd army or rest of Egyptian forces watching ?

They could do nothing. 3rd army was in open desert without food, water, ammunition and air defence cover. It would be like shooting a fish in barrel.

cause then 2nd army and 3rd army would have cut off Israeli forces supply lines, then 3rd army would have got supplies through 2nd army & innhilitating Israeli forces in the gap would have started.

They attacked Israelis many times but miserably failed. Their best units were destroyed and no attacking capability remained.

Again Shazly:

25 Oct 1100 hours: A meeting of the Armed Forces Supreme Council, the first since the outbreak of war. ...The main topic was, of course, how to open the road to Third Army. But though everyone spoke with passion, nobody could come up with a realistic plan.

Here is the 3rd army position in the end of the war:

 

[Jaanbaz]

I would disagree. Saudi Arabia's armed forces are very well equipped (more or less, on par with Israel.) and trained. Jordan has very competent armed forces that are professionally led and motivated.

No experience at all. They had to call USA daddy to help them out against Saddam. Money can buy you fancy gears but great commanders are born and trained not bought with money.

 

[Desertfalcon]

No experience at all. They had to call USA daddy to help them out against Saddam. Money can buy you fancy gears but great commanders are born and trained not bought with money.

No, they didn't call USA "daddy". The United Nations called. The ouster of Saddam's forces from Kuwait was a UN action where they not only called on "daddy" USA, but these guys as well...

Pakistan Army 7th Division:

"the Peshawar Division would once again be called into action. Once again Pakistan's strategic reserve, along with 1st Armoured Division, would not see action as a unit but many of its sub-units would enter combat in various sectors. The formation would go overseas for the third time in its history (and for the second time as a Pakistani division) when it deployed with two brigades to Saudi Arabia for the 1991 Gulf War."

Why wouldn’t they? Pakistan and KSA have been the closest of allies since I have been in the military. And yes, the forces of the KSA have little combat experience, but that does not negate the fact that they are the best equipped of all Arab militaries and are highly trained.

File:Coalition of the Gulf War vs Iraq.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Jaanbaz]

No, they didn't call USA "daddy". The United Nations called. The ouster of Saddam's forces from Kuwait was a UN action where they not only called on "daddy" USA, but these guys as well...

Pakistan Army 7th Division:

"the Peshawar Division would once again be called into action. Once again Pakistan's strategic reserve, along with 1st Armoured Division, would not see action as a unit but many of its sub-units would enter combat in various sectors. The formation would go overseas for the third time in its history (and for the second time as a Pakistani division) when it deployed with two brigades to Saudi Arabia for the 1991 Gulf War."

Why wouldn’t they? Pakistan and KSA have been the closest of allies since I have been in the military. And yes, the forces of the KSA have little combat experience, but that does not negate the fact that they are the best equipped of all Arab militaries and are highly trained.

File:Coalition of the Gulf War vs Iraq.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only time will tell how good they are in combat. No doubt they are now the best equipped Arab army.

 

[The SC]

@500
The 3rd army was not surrounded, I did not forget to mention it , because I have mentioned that the Israeli army was surrounded in west side of the canal, so it had no means of surrounding anything even by violating the cease fire 2 or 3 times it had to withdraw back 35 km on east side of the canal, So, where is the logic of being able to surround the Egyptian 3rd army that was still gaining terrain on the East side. The only thing I can see is your renewed arrogance and likings for lies.
The Syrians could have crossed to inside Israel in the first 2 days of the war, but they restrained. The Egyptians could cross the whole Sinai peninsula and threaten Israel itself, but they restrained too, since it was a very limited war in scoop. In a total war or even half total war, you won't stand the slightest chance of surviving it in the middle east. it'll take just one or two extremist governments like yours on the Arab side and it is done, regardless of the US and European total support you can get.
I did mention to you many times that the 1973 Ramadan war was called "spark", you can conclude from the codename that it was very limited in scoop, and you still could not handle it despite getting "everything that can fly" from the US, the best armaments on earth at that time, not to mention American(and others) personnel taken prisoners with fake Israeli IDs.
please do not answer this, I know you like to troll...

 

[500]

@500
The 3rd army was not surrounded, I did not forget to mention it

These are your words versus all historians (like Gawrych, O'Balance, Zaloga...) documents and even the Egyptian army commander Shazly. Conclusion: you are a pathological liar and sad clown.

 

[The SC]

Israeli pathological lies are exposed all over the world, no need to point to them anymore, I did a good job at that, so you can lie no more and fool no one.
All your historians are liars mam!
Anyone can read this thread and see who the liars are.
1973 Arab-Israeli conflict: The Truth once and for all

Shadzly wrote a book in revenge of Sadat's stubbornness for not letting him stay put, You can thank Sadat for that, to allow you to save face. But now you can not since you have a criminal face recognized everywhere you go, enjoy it!

 

[The SC]

EI: We have known later that (former Egyptian President Anwar) Sadat refused (former Presidential Chief of Staff Saad) al-Shazly’s plan to liquidate the Israeli infiltration between the Second and Third armies. I wonder what made the Egyptian army abide by the ceasefire although the Israelis were breaching it and advancing in the Western bank of Suez Canal?

Daigle: That was what happened on 24 October exactly. On the night of 24 October after the Americans placed their forces on military alert, they recalled troops that were on leave. And they made it appear that the US was going to send forces. They started moving carriers and ships to the Mediterranean, so they’re making it appear that they were ready to intervene if needed. But they really did not want to send troops into the Middle East. You have to remember that in 1973 this was only nine months after the Paris-peace accords and this would be a sign of war, and Vietnam just ended, so the Americans didn’t want to get involved in another war in a far away land. So by pushing to the alert, Kissinger was saying to the Egyptians and to the Soviets “We are prepared to intervene if necessary.”

Behind the Egypt-Israel October war: Q&A with Craig Daigle - Part 4 | Egypt Independent
Here is another sound read...

 

[500]

Israeli pathological lies are exposed all over the world, no need to point to them anymore, I did a good job at that, so you can lie no more and fool no one.
All your historians are liars mam!
Anyone can read this thread and see who the liars are.

LOL you cant provide anything to back ur silly claims.

Historians I give are not Israeli. Again Egypt's chief army commander says exactly the same.

 

[The SC]

By the way General Al-Mansoury revealed a very interesting information regarding our allies the soviets; it turned out that they used to give the Israelis our EAF frequencies and the EAF had to hide from them our real EAF frequencies giving them official fake ones!!
Egyptian Chronicles: Another Crazy Egyptian Pilot : The Black Jaguar Leader

I have provided more links than any Israeli can handle, does the truth hurts you that much?
http://egyptianchronicles.blogspot.ca/2009/10/another-crazy-egyptian-pilot-black.html


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