The Effects Of Nationalism On Humanity

[Torch_v2.0]

Elon is doing.

So the new noah married a chinese

Interesting

Lol

 

[jamahir]

Its definitely misrepresented.

Nationalism is a good thing. Too much of anything is harmful. Be it anything.

Globalisation needs to be controlled.

All these flavors make a robust vibrant society.

If by "Globalization" you mean rampant Capitalism then yes, it should be controlled.

But after that, at least in the next tweive to fifteen years, I see emergence of bloc grouping of current nations. For example, a unified South Asia ( which will automatically resolve the problem of Kashmir ).

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

I am not nationalist but patriot. Patriotism is positive, nationalism is often negative. Patriotism inspires one to improve and help one's country while nationalism blinds one to the deficiencies of one's country. Nationalists think that his country is better than other countries while patriot want his country to be better than it is right now.


Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.

Charles de Gaulle


NATIONALISM

Nationalism is an ideology based on the premise that an individual's loyalty and devotion to one's country should come above the interests and opinions of other citizens or the interests of a certain group of citizens.

The pride of nationalism, however, trumpets its country's virtues and denies its deficiencies. Nationalism is contemptuous toward the virtues of other countries. It wants to be and proclaims itself to be "the greatest". Question to be asked here is - should such self-proclaimed greatness be above rational thinking and goodness?

PATRIOTISM

Patriotism is an attachment to a homeland. The love and adoration for the place where an individual is born, brought up, and the nation that place belongs to. These attachments can be related to ethnic, cultural, political or historical. Patriotism is also being proud of a country's virtues but with an eagerness and readiness to correct its deficiencies to be better. Patriotisn acknowledges the patriotism of citizens of other countries and respects their virtues.

It encompasses a set of concepts closely related to those of nationalism.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE, THEN?

An excess of patriotism in the defense of a nation is called chauvinism or jingoism.

The difference between patriotism and nationalism is simple - a patriot loves his country and is proud of it for what it does whereas a nationalist loves his country and is proud of his country NO MATTER WHAT IT DOES.

Quite clearly, patriotism nurtures a feeling of 'responsibility' in the citizens while nationalism breeds 'blind arrogance' or ignorace and often, that leads to a war

 

[911]

In today’s world, the diversity and the separation of cultures is so intense, it is hard to believe that we all came from one place at one point in time. The idea of a cultural divide is something that humans have come up with themselves, and is ultimately causing many issues across the world. With this divide comes a strong sense of identity and pride for one’s country of inhabitance, but why? Although pride for one’s country can be good, many people have taken that to the extreme, and this tends to have a negative effect on the way we treat people from other nations. It seems that nationalism is growing in popularity nowadays, but it is crucial that the consequences of this mindset are made known in order to prevent extremists from hurting the relationships between the human race more so than they are now.

Nationalism is defined as a, “feeling that people have of being proud of their country and is often accompanied by the belief that it is better or more important than other countries.” The belief that one country is better than another is affecting many aspects of the quality of life for everyone. If everyone is supposed to have been created equal, it seems strange that people from one country might believe they are far better than someone from a different country.

Unfortunately, nationalism has the power to create competition between different nations, which can easily lead to war. Nationalism is known to be a significant cause of World War I. Prior to the beginning of World War I, Europeans had a lot of pride in their nation, and honestly believed they were the best. This thought process also lead to the belief that other nations were threatened by them, and were plotting their demise. World War I began due to the arguments of countries that were trying to take Bosnia and Herzegovina as their own. The war involved many allied nations, and affected a significantly larger amount of people, rather than just those from Austria-Hungary and Serbia. The U.S. Department of Justice issued a report on effects of World War I, and as a result, over eight million people were killed, and there were approximately 37 million casualties (PBS). This war is a prime example of how nationalism can cause nations to be power hungry, and it shows the extent that people will go to just to have control over other nations.

Another consequence of nationalism is that it can easily lead to extreme movements. The most well known example of how nationalism can lead people to do extreme things is the creation of Nazism. Hitler’s love and pride for Germany sparked feelings in people that made them identify themselves completely with Germany, rather than as individuals. In an effort to convince citizens of conforming to his strong beliefs, Hitler proclaimed:

Our future is Germany. Our today is Germany. And our past is Germany. Let us take a vow this evening, at every hour, in each day, to think of Germany, of the nation, of our German people. You cannot be unfaithful to something that has given sense and meaning to your whole existence.

The belief that a nation is what gives meaning to someone’s existence is absurd. The emphasis on the important role of Germany to the people caused the Nazis to go to extreme measures, and lead to the death of millions of people.

The most commonly seen effect that nationalism has is the discrimination to members of other nations. Nationalism often causes nations to believe they are better than the nations that surround them. In the United States, there have been continuous issues regarding the Mexican border, and the arrival of “illegal immigrants” into the country. Prior to the actual border being built, the borders were just imagined. Carlton Hayes, an educator, claims that nationalism is simply a state of mind. He believes it is a “modern emotional fusion of two very old phenomena; nationality and patriotism.” When people come to other countries, the inhabitants there too often hostile and discriminatory to the visitors, which says something about how humanity is progressing.

The growing amount of nationalism in today’s world may end up having a damaging effect on humanity. The pride that people have for their nation can be positive, but it is often taken to the extreme, which has caused many issues throughout history. The idea that people are created equal has significantly dissipated, and if extreme nationalism continues, the future of humanity is in danger.

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/effects-nationalism-humanity

It would be foolish to call yourself world citizen when a nation's resources, economy, people are bounded, and a person can't move from one point of Earth to the other, without restrictions. Nations trade, there is no free lunch and hence you put nationalism over religion, ethnicity etc. You shouldn't expect someone having same ethnicity as you while living in some other part of the world to have his or her mind focused on your country, or its people for that matter.

I am not nationalist but patriot. Patriotism is positive, nationalism is often negative. Patriotism inspires one to improve and help one's country while nationalism blinds one to the deficiencies of one's country. Nationalists think that his country is better than other countries while patriot want his country to be better than it is right now.


Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.

Charles de Gaulle


NATIONALISM

Nationalism is an ideology based on the premise that an individual's loyalty and devotion to one's country should come above the interests and opinions of other citizens or the interests of a certain group of citizens.

The pride of nationalism, however, trumpets its country's virtues and denies its deficiencies. Nationalism is contemptuous toward the virtues of other countries. It wants to be and proclaims itself to be "the greatest". Question to be asked here is - should such self-proclaimed greatness be above rational thinking and goodness?

PATRIOTISM

Patriotism is an attachment to a homeland. The love and adoration for the place where an individual is born, brought up, and the nation that place belongs to. These attachments can be related to ethnic, cultural, political or historical. Patriotism is also being proud of a country's virtues but with an eagerness and readiness to correct its deficiencies to be better. Patriotisn acknowledges the patriotism of citizens of other countries and respects their virtues.

It encompasses a set of concepts closely related to those of nationalism.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE, THEN?

An excess of patriotism in the defense of a nation is called chauvinism or jingoism.

The difference between patriotism and nationalism is simple - a patriot loves his country and is proud of it for what it does whereas a nationalist loves his country and is proud of his country NO MATTER WHAT IT DOES.

Quite clearly, patriotism nurtures a feeling of 'responsibility' in the citizens while nationalism breeds 'blind arrogance' or ignorace and often, that leads to a war

Jingoism is surely bad, but not nationalism. And I don't see much difference between nationalism and patriotism.

 

[Che palle]

It would be foolish to call yourself world citizen when a nation's resources, economy, people are bounded, and a person can't move from one point of Earth to the other, without restrictions. Nations trade, there is no free lunch and hence you put nationalism over religion, ethnicity etc. You shouldn't expect someone having same ethnicity as you while living in some other part of the world to have his or her mind focused on your country, or its people for that matter.


Jingoism is surely bad, but not nationalism. And I don't see much difference between nationalism and patriotism.

Nationalism seems very effective when your people are cornered and your country is being threatened by outsiders, but rest of the time its mostly negative. You can read about how nazionalismo sparked the two world wars.

 

[Mage]

Nationalism seems very effective when your people are cornered and your country is being threatened by outsiders, but rest of the time its mostly negative. You can read about how nazionalismo sparked the two world wars.

Nationalism.....not the one that derives from hate, but the one that is derived from identity, culture and way of life is a positive thing. It helps a nation to find it's own ways. Value its own culture. Stops a nation from blindly copying others without realizing that what works for other may not work for them.

@Homura Akemi , though your thread may seem odd on such a forum which promotes nationalism and militarism but your chosen topic is what everyone should be talking about. I am a socialist who desires a communist humanity - where all governments have fallen, militaries have been disbanded, and people rule themselves.

You sure this is not an utopian dream? Chasing utopia often results in dystopia.

a unified South Asia

Not when India and Pakistan have such a lovey dovey relationship.

 

[jamahir]

Nationalism is bad bro. People waving their flags, loving their country.

sickening stuff!!

Isn't sarcasm banned on the forum??

You sure this is not an utopian dream? Chasing utopia often results in dystopia.

The Libyan Jamahiriya was a living experiment in direct-democracy socialism for decades until the 2011 war.

Not when India and Pakistan have such a lovey dovey relationship.

That is the current situation. Situations can change if people actually want to resolve issues. Two third world countries spending huge resources on militaries based on mutual hatred, not the wisest of decisions.

 

[Mage]

The Libyan Jamahiriya was a living experiment in direct-democracy socialism for decades until the 2011 war.

That's just the last part. People ruling themselves. I was talking about the whole fallen governments and disbanded military.

That is the current situation. Situations can change if people actually want to resolve issues. Two third world countries spending huge resources on militaries based on mutual hatred, not the wisest of decisions.

Because that hatred is core part of the ideology of two nations. Sorry if it sounds bad. But that's the feeling I get. Pakistan exist because Muslims didn't want to live in a Hindu majority state. India exists as a place for Hindus self rule. Without hatred for each other, the national identity will weaken. Because none of you are ethnically homogeneous.

 

[jamahir]

That's just the last part. People ruling themselves. I was talking about the whole fallen governments and disbanded military

The first stage, of blocs/groupings of nations will come in their time, I will say by 2030. For example, a unified South Asia.

When Elon Musk's plan of settling humans on Mars comes around, progressive movements on this world will ask people to question for themselves the validity of wasting efforts and energies on mutual hate ( nationalism ).

I ask you to read the essay on nationalism by the Indian Nobel winner Rabindranath Tagore.

I am not being overly optimistic but just plainly realistic.