The defeat of the Afghan government sparks debates across Taiwan about if Taiwan will become the same

[Foinikas]

Hey numb numb, do you know the constitution of the Republic of China aka Taiwan? Taiwan is a province inside China as per their own constitution. So wake up numb numb.

Communist? You seen billionaires in communist countries? Stock exchange? Damn you are dumber than I thought.

China is typically still communist. It's called "The People's Republic of China" and still exalts Mao and his comrades.One-Party rule,State atheism,repression of media in varying levels etc.
Before you call me "numb numb",ask yourself: Do the people of Taiwan want to be "liberated" by you? Do they want to unify with you?

 

[CIA Mole]

is it far fetched to compare mao to taliban

taiwan was formed by those that ran off right? US also abandoned them then?

 

[Beny Karachun]

en, What about 240k every 5 min?
Why do you think PLA and Hamas are at the same level?


Taiwan is 130 km away from the mainland, and China's WS2D rocket has a range of 480 km. The Nanjing Military Region has 40 rocket gun battalions, more than 500 long-range rockets gun, and each vehicle launches 48 rockets in one round.
The rocket will fire first and destroy all known targets. We don't care about any interception system. If 240k rockets are not enough, we can repeat it. Then the other weapons come on.

I don't intend to think Taiwan alone can defeat China, that would be foolish.
Their plan is to inflict as many casualties as possible for as long as possible until a considerate amount of US forces arrive to help them.

Anyways, I don't know if China has 240k 140+ km range artillery rockets. This is an immense amount of really large missiles. They would have to invest heavily into that field, 240k missiles every 5 minutes is an impossible rate. That would mean there has to be somewhere around 15,000 vehicles firing at the same time. All at Chinese shores. Those are numbers even China doesn't have.

Your war with Taiwan wouldn't be significant. The war after is.

 

[MH.Yang]

China is typically still communist. It's called "The People's Republic of China" and still exalts Mao and his comrades.One-Party rule,State atheism,repression of media in varying levels etc.
Before you call me "numb numb",ask yourself: Do the people of Taiwan want to be "liberated" by you? Do they want to unify with you?

We voluntarily chose atheism and communism. This is our right, not yours. If you don't like it, either you kill us or you shut up.

For thousands of years, Taiwan has been the territory of the Chinese people, which is a universally recognized fact. If which country doesn't agree, it can choose to break off diplomatic relations with us or shut up.

Some Taiwanese are confused by the West. If they don't want to be Chinese, they can choose to leave Chinese territory. The anti communist ideology has brainwashed the Taiwanese people for 70 years. Therefore, in order to be fair, if the public opinion has not changed after the CCP ruled Taiwan for 70 years, you can accuse us again.
What country are you from? If you interfere in China's internal affairs, it means that China can also interfere in your internal affairs. If you don't mind the Chinese supporting the separatist forces in your country, let's have a try.

I don't intend to think Taiwan alone can defeat China, that would be foolish.
Their plan is to inflict as many casualties as possible for as long as possible until a considerate amount of US forces arrive to help them.

Anyways, I don't know if China has 240k 140+ km range artillery rockets. This is an immense amount of really large missiles. They would have to invest heavily into that field, 240k missiles every 5 minutes is an impossible rate. That would mean there has to be somewhere around 15,000 vehicles firing at the same time. All at Chinese shores. Those are numbers even China doesn't have.

Your war with Taiwan wouldn't be significant. The war after is.

Americans are not so stupid. They won't fight China off the coast of China. So we are not in a hurry. We can play an arms race with the USA.
We will compete with the USA for manufacturing and social stability.

 

[Suika]

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Lawmakers from the ruling parties in Japan and Taiwan have agreed to urge their leaders to draw up common policies to counter an increasingly assertive China.

Four lawmakers from the two sides held an online meeting on Friday. The Japanese participants were Sato Masahisa and Otsuka Taku, who head the Liberal Democratic Party's foreign affairs and defense divisions.

From Taiwan, foreign and defense experts Lo Chih-cheng and Tsai Shih-ying from the Democratic Progressive Party took part.

Otsuka called the meeting a very important opportunity.

He said Japan and Taiwan have a responsibility to step up deterrence in the face of China's recent military buildup.
Lo said the biggest threat at the moment is China, which is applying military and economic pressure on Taiwan.

He said Taiwan and Japan need to join hands to stand up to China.

The four lawmakers agreed to call on Japan's government and Taiwanese authorities to draw up common security policies such as conducting joint maritime rescue drills.
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http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20210827_25/amp.html

 

[Foinikas]

We voluntarily chose atheism and communism. This is our right, not yours. If you don't like it, either you kill us or you shut up.

And they voluntarily chose not to be atheists and communists. It is their right,not yours.

For thousands of years, Taiwan has been the territory of the Chinese people, which is a universally recognized fact. If which country doesn't agree, it can choose to break off diplomatic relations with us or shut up.

And since the end of the Civil War,it has been an independent country that has chosen to be independent and with a different governing system and way of life. It's a universally recognized fact.

Some Taiwanese are confused by the West. If they don't want to be Chinese, they can choose to leave Chinese territory.

You could say the mainland Chinese were confused by Stalinist USSR. Those who didn't want to be communist and could leave,escaped to Taiwan. And Taiwan has been an example of non-communist China along with 20th century Hong Kong and Macau. They thrived and loved their independence.

Americans are not so stupid. They won't fight China off the coast of China. So we are not in a hurry. We can play an arms race with the USA.
We will compete with the USA for manufacturing and social stability.

If you invade Taiwan you will start a war with not just the United States,but also South Korea,Japan and maybe Vietnam as well. If anything,it will be seen as an expansionist move and all the countries in the region will cut ties with China and go back to a Cold War era.

 

[MH.Yang]

And they voluntarily chose not to be atheists and communists. It is their right,not yours.


And since the end of the Civil War,it has been an independent country that has chosen to be independent and with a different governing system and way of life. It's a universally recognized fact.


You could say the mainland Chinese were confused by Stalinist USSR. Those who didn't want to be communist and could leave,escaped to Taiwan. And Taiwan has been an example of non-communist China along with 20th century Hong Kong and Macau. They thrived and loved their independence.


If you invade Taiwan you will start a war with not just the United States,but also South Korea,Japan and maybe Vietnam as well. If anything,it will be seen as an expansionist move and all the countries in the region will cut ties with China and go back to a Cold War era.

Then come on, we're ready.

You'd better pray that if we win, we will dismember any enemy involved in this war. Because they want to split us. It's fair.

 

[Suika]

The ancient dynasties of China had no administration over the Formosa island. When the Ming fought against the Manchu/Qing, the Ming were losing and left over loyalists ran off the mainland to Formosa, kicking out a Dutch settlement, and settling there in 1660s. As can be expected, this new run away Ming settlement didn't estblish a sort of administration over all of Formosa. Rather they were still trying to support whatever holdings they had left on the China coast. They just held a corner of Formosa island. Some years later, the Qing followed across the Strait to wipe out the Ming in the 1680s. After that, the Qing very slowly started to expand administration over the whole island, probably not getting the whole island until by 1750 or so, depending on what means by "control" since the aboriginals there were very resistant and rebellions against Qing occurred in Formosa than any other part of the Qing dynasty.

So there you have it, Taiwan had not been part of China for "1,000s of years". It was roughly from year 1700 (give or take a decade) to 1895. Almost 300 years. That's still quite long, even if full of rebellions. But Indonesia was held by the Dutch for a similar long period. Same for the Philippines by Spain. Or India by Great Britain but no one goes around saying that those countries still belong the Netherlands, Spain, or Great Britain.

 

[Foinikas]

Then come on, we're ready.

You'd better pray that if we win, we will dismember any enemy involved in this war. Because they want to split us. It's fair.

How do they want to split you? TAIWAN DOESN'T WANT TO JOIN YOU! You have to realize it. You have to understand it. That is the old communist concept of "liberation".Conquest and forceful annexation.
Why is it so hard to put it in your head,that these people in HK,Taiwan and Macau did not want to be part of the PRC?

 

[MH.Yang]

The ancient dynasties of China had no administration over the Formosa island. When the Ming fought against the Manchu/Qing, the Ming were losing and left over loyalists ran off the mainland to Formosa, kicking out a Dutch settlement, and settling there in 1660s. As can be expected, this new run away Ming settlement didn't estblish a sort of administration over all of Formosa. Rather they were still trying to support whatever holdings they had left on the China coast. They just held a corner of Formosa island. Some years later, the Qing followed across the Strait to wipe out the Ming in the 1680s. After that, the Qing very slowly started to expand administration over the whole island, probably not getting the whole island until by 1750 or so, depending on what means by "control" since the aboriginals there were very resistant and rebellions against Qing occurred in Formosa than any other part of the Qing dynasty.

So there you have it, Taiwan had not been part of China for "1,000s of years". It was roughly from year 1700 (give or take a decade) to 1895. Almost 300 years. That's still quite long, even if full of rebellions. But Indonesia was held by the Dutch for a similar long period. Same for the Philippines by Spain. Or India by Great Britain but no one goes around saying that those countries still belong the Netherlands, Spain, or Great Britain.

In 230 ad, during the Three Kingdoms period, Taiwan belonged to DongWu, called Yizhou. It is managed by general Wei Wen and ZhuGe Zhi.

 

[MH.Yang]

How do they want to split you? TAIWAN DOESN'T WANT TO JOIN YOU! You have to realize it. You have to understand it. That is the old communist concept of "liberation".Conquest and forceful annexation.
Why is it so hard to put it in your head,that these people in HK,Taiwan and Macau did not want to be part of the PRC?

Taiwanese have been brainwashed. Never mind. We'll clear all CIA spies. As for the USA, we will know who is the next Soviet Union after 20 years. The country or nation that hinders the reunification of the Chinese people is the mortal enemy of the whole Chinese civilization. We will pursue it to the end. Just like thousands of nationalities in history, such as GuiFang, XiongNu, XianBei and KhiTan, etc. We will never stop chase until our sworn enemies disappear in history.

 

[Suika]

In 230 ad, during the Three Kingdoms period, Taiwan belonged to DongWu, called Yizhou. It is managed by general Wei Wen and ZhuGe Zhi.

Kidnapping a bunch of aborignals doesn't count as administration.

 

[MH.Yang]

Kidnapping a bunch of aborignals doesn't count as administration.

Then, please let Japan make Okinawa and Hokkaido independent.

Kidnapping the shrimps and Ryukyu people doesn't count as administration.

 

[Foinikas]

Taiwanese have been brainwashed. Never mind. We'll clear all CIA spies.

Oh you really are deluded. With your logic,any country could invade anyone just by claiming "hey,you have been brainwashed,we're here to save you".

The country or nation that hinders the reunification of the Chinese people is the mortal enemy of the whole Chinese civilization.

Relax Rambo

Then, please let Japan make Okinawa and Hokkaido independent.

Except that the situation with Taiwan is very different.

 

[Suika]

Then, please let Japan make Okinawa and Hokkaido independent.

Kidnapping the shrimps and Ryukyu people doesn't count as administration.

Sentiment in both those prefectures show no desire to separate from Japan. But the sentiment in Taiwan is that they want good relations with China but do not want to be part of China.
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TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — As tensions escalate between China and Taiwan, a new poll found that nearly 90% of respondents consider themselves Taiwanese, while only 8.7 percent think of themselves as Chinese.

The latest poll by the Taiwan New Constitution Foundation (台灣制憲基金會), which was released at a press conference on Tuesday (Aug. 10), found that 89.9 percent of citizens consider themselves Taiwanese. In addition, it found that over 64% of Taiwanese are willing to go to war to defend the country.

The poll found that 67.9% consider themselves Taiwanese, 27.8% think of themselves as both Chinese and Taiwanese, and 1.8% opted for only Chinese. When given only one nationality to choose from, 89.9% chose Taiwanese.

Given the rising tensions in the Taiwan Strait, the poll revealed that 36% of respondents said they would definitely go to war to defend Taiwan, 28.3% said they probably would, 16.2% said they probably would not, 12.7% said they definitely would not, and 7.4% had no opinion. As for Taiwan's future political status, 38.9% were in favor of Taiwan declaring independence, 50.1% want to keep the status quo, and 4.7% wish to unite with China.

Hot on the heels of Taiwan's most successful Olympics ever, 65.1% of poll-takers said they refer to the country's team as "Taiwan," while only 27.6% used the term "Chinese Taipei." Over 82% stated that they regretted the fact that Taiwan participated in the Tokyo 2020 Olympics as "Chinese Taipei" and could not fly the official national flag.

Following the Tokyo Games, 83.9% said they had a positive view of Japan, while 75.6% had a favorable opinion of the U.S., with nearly 90% supporting establishing diplomatic ties with the two countries. However, 70.3% had a negative view of China, with only 16.4% seeing the communist country in a positive light.
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https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4268355