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The Death Of Chavismo In Venezuela?

@mike2000 is back
If you are a so deeply hater of the left wing, why do not you drop all of your welfare supplied by UK government in favor of the capitalist
 
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there is nothing wrong with welfare o_O long as it's not done wrong.
Chavez has done nothing wrong. He made his people share the benefit of high price oil for more than 10 years, which has never happened in the history of Venezuela, and will never happen when the right wing take the power.
The problem is Venezuela has nothing but oil and it is a non-competitive country. This is not Chavez's fault, but the history heritage of their ancestor.
If the right wing can save Venezuela, why they have no done for several hundred years before Chavez took the power.
The only fault of Chavez is his anti-US altitude, so the western newspaper exaggerates his shortcomings while neglect lots of previous losers of Venezuela on purpose.
 
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Chavez has done nothing wrong. He made his people share the benefit of high price oil for more than 10 years, which has never happened in the history of Venezuela, and will never happen when the right wing take the power.
The problem is Venezuela has nothing but oil and it is a non-competitive country. This is not Chavez's fault, but the history heritage of their ancestor.
If the right wing can save Venezuela, why they have no done for several hundred years before Chavez took the power.
The only fault of Chavez is his anti-US altitude, so the western newspaper exaggerates his shortcomings while neglect lots of previous losers of Venezuela on purpose.

he squandered the wealth.


just look at the major OPEC producers they build great cities, made soverign wealth funds, and still had plenty to shell out in welfare.

Venezuela never broke it's dependency on importing foreign goods.


it has to import nearly everything from food to basic home goods.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/06/w...uffers-as-import-schemes-siphon-billions.html

that is just terrible.



look at the UAE

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Mecca

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and this is what they get after 17 years of socialism

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long wait lines everyday. inflation. massive increase in crime.

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he squandered the wealth.


just look at the major OPEC producers they build great cities, made soverign wealth funds, and still had plenty to shell out in welfare.

Venezuela never broke it's dependency on importing foreign goods.


it has to import nearly everything from food to basic home goods.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/06/w...uffers-as-import-schemes-siphon-billions.html

that is just terrible.



look at the UAE

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Mecca

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and this is what they get after 17 years of socialism

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long wait lines everyday. inflation. massive increase in crime.

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Another blindly propaganda from US. Saudi and UAE import more and wast more than Venezuela, and the King family is much richer than Chavez, but you ignore it. The only truth is: Chavez only takes the power for 16 years while Saudi for more than 60 years, thus Saudi can get much more revenue compared to Venezuela to waste.

As to socialism, the North Europe is a much more better example compared to Venezuela, with a history of over 100 years controlled by left wing.

Well, you and Mike are good examples of the lower figure of the west who are brain-washed by the media who often talks against yourself.

By the way, you said UAE and Saudi are capitalist? Did you learn the words "The feudal theocracy" in your school? Why and How do you think they are capitalist?
 
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Another blindly propaganda from US. Saudi and UAE import more and wast more than Venezuela, and the King family is much richer than Chavez, but you ignore it. The only truth is: Chavez only takes the power for 16 years while Saudi for more than 60 years, thus Saudi can get much more revenue compared to Venezuela to waste.

As to socialism, the North Europe is a much more better example compared to Venezuela, with a history of over 100 years controlled by left wing.

Well, you and Mike are good examples of the lower figure of the west who are brain-washed by the media who often talks against yourself.

By the way, you said UAE and Saudi are capitalist? Did you learn the words "The feudal theocracy"? Why and How do you think they are capitalist?


please don't cry propaganda when it's Venezuela that is the master of this tactic.

did I say UAE and Saudi are capitalist, please quote where I said that??

but who says they aren't??


they have built large economic zones. why didn't Venezuela do this??? they could of made Caracas into the Hong Kong of the Americas
List of Free Trade Zones in the United Arab Emirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

King Abdullah Economic City - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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it's people are poor in a country with tje largest oil reserves in the world. think about that
 
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@mike2000 is back
If you are a so deeply hater of the left wing, why do not you drop all of your welfare supplied by UK government in favor of the capitalist

Lol what are you on about bro?
Just because I rightly called out Venezuela government failed economic policies, corruption, nepotism a inefficiency, you compare it with Great Britain's ability to provide the basics your people ? Lol

Anyway, we can use Venezuela and U.S comparison to explain how Venezuela government has totally failed it's people. Since both the U.S and Venezuela have a lot of natural resources(Venezuela has the world largest oil reserves and a population of just 30 million), it's people should all but millionaires if the country was ruled just FAIRY WELL. So let's as ourselves why despite it's huge oil and gas reserves, the country doesn't even has enough food to feed it's people.:(

This is a very interesting question. I could probably write a dissertation on this but I'll try to keep it short.

Essentially all the money has been squandered. Venezuelan leaders have a long and rich tradition of embezzlement, dating way before Chavez's socialist movement, back to the days of AD vs. COPEI (the equivalent of democrats vs. republicans respectively) and quite possibly before that.

Today that tradition continues, at ever higher levels of depravity. It is masked as a movement to redistribute wealth, a patent-pending strategy from the Castro Dictatorial Consultations firm (or is more like an incubator?). Lol

And distribute wealth it has. I must confess That in the 90's there was three types of people in Venezuela: The 1%, the middle-class, and the poor majority.

Today there are three types of people in Venezuela: The new and richer 1%, the Castros and the poor majority.

So what happens to all the oil? Venezuelan oil is like a butterfly. It starts of as a baby caterpillar in Venezuela, deep in the wild, then it goes through metamorphosis as it's produced and traded, it finally comes out as a beautiful profit and migrates away from Venezuela and into off-shore bank accounts to reproduce and die.

People/Venezuela 'socialist' sympathisers(like you.lol) will throw at you all the stats they want about how literacy rates have increased and employment is up, yadda yadda yadda. Bla bla bla.:blah:. But in a country where there is severe shortages of fundamental goods like medicine, tooth paste, toilet paper, rice, beans, chicken, running water, electricity.I will all it a semi-failed state

In a country where people have been driven to a level of poverty that homicide rates are higher than that of some countries at war. In a stifled country where scientists and engineers and entrepreneurs have no opportunities and where your "socialist hero" and his consultants are each worth over $2B. I will call it a semi- failed state.:sick:
 
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Argentina Said to Seek $10 Billion Loan From Wall Street Banks - Bloomberg Business


Argentina’s President Mauricio Macri has kicked off talks with several Wall Street banks for $5 billion to $10 billion of loans in a bid to shore up central bank reserves, according to two people with knowledge of the matter.

Macri’s incoming Finance Secretary Luis Caputo, who traveled to New York this week, spoke with banks about backing the loans with sovereign debt owned by the central bank, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the matter is private. The loans would be repaid by the monetary authority in a year, said one of the people. A spokeswoman for incoming Finance Minister Alfonso Prat-Gay didn’t immediately reply to an e-mailed request for comment.

The search for financing comes as Argentina’s new government says it will unwind former President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner’s capital controls, which have kept the peso artificially strong, fueled parallel currency markets and stalled the economy. Unable to tap international bond markets because of a decade-long feud with creditors left over from the nation’s 2001 default that Fernandez refused to pay, the country is faced with the lowest level of international reserves in nine years.

“Given the financial emergency, we expect the government to obtain about $10 billion in financing in the first quarter to build reserves,” Sebastian Rondeau, an economist at Bank of America Corp., wrote in a report Thursday.

Argentine newspaper La Nacion reported the talks earlier Thursday.

Macri was sworn in Thursday. Caputo told a court-appointed mediator in New York that he wants to begin settlement negotiations with the holdouts, led by hedge fund Elliott Management, promptly.

The holdouts, who are trying to limit the nation’s ability to raise money offshore in an effort to pressure Argentina to comply with a court order to repay their defaulted debt, will scrutinize any transaction for violation of the judge’s orders, said the person. U.S. District Judge Thomas Griesa has prohibited Argentina from paying future overseas creditors before settling with the holdouts.

Stephen Spruiell, an Elliott spokesman, declined to comment.

“Attempting to access capital markets via foreign banks, ahead of a resolution, would
only serve to complicate matters,” Josh Rosner, a bank analyst at Graham Fisher & Co., wrote in a Dec. 6 report. “It would risk embroiling the new government in the legal problems created and perpetuated by the Kirchner regime and would be a counterproductive approach for a new administration seeking a fresh path.”

In an interview on TN television network on Thursday, Prat-Gay said he and the rest of the economic team will review the nation’s accounts Friday, their first day in office.

“People shouldn’t expect a barrage of economic measures,” he said. “They will arrive gradually. We have to see what the real situation is. Today is a day to celebrate, tomorrow we’ll begin to work and see what needs to be done.”
 
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'A great number of US corporations will be reinvesting in Argentina', forecasts ambassador Mamet — MercoPress

United States ambassador to Argentina, Noah Mamet, in a lengthy interview with the La Nacion daily, praised the election of Mauricio Macri and figures of his cabinet and stressed that the US government was anxious to begin working together.

“We’re pleased with the talents brought together for his Cabinet and visible in the rest of his advisers,” the US ambassador to Buenos Aires said.

Mamet claimed that all of the 500 US companies that are currently in Argentina were optimistic about the future business climate after Macri’s win.

US Vice-president Joe Biden phoned Macri last Saturday and the “the two leaders agreed to deepen relations between the US and Argentina”

“We’re pleased with the talents brought together for his Cabinet and visible in the rest of his advisers,” the US ambassador to Buenos Aires said.

“We are seeking opportunities to work together on several issues: science, technology, energy — especially renewable energy — and education,” he added.

Mamet claimed that all of the 500 US companies that are currently in the country, such as Ford, Cargill, Citibank and General Electric, were optimistic about the future business climate after Macri’s win.

“I think there will be a great number of companies that will be reinvesting in Argentina because they believe in its future, and that is a great sign ... They will want to work with the government, not only federal but also provincial governments,” he said.

When asked if the Obama administration was willing to help Argentina gain access to financing, Mamet said that the US would have to wait for the government’s new agenda and future plans first — but he emphasized there was a positive and constructive outlook.

In another segment of the interview, Mamet said that Macri's election would have a positive impact on Venezuela, as Argentina is a leader in the region. But he emphasized they would have to evaluate how the Venezuelan elections play out before determining what type of impact the president elect would have.

The current government of president Cristina Fernandez and the Victory Front (FpV) ruling party fostered a close alliance with Venezuela during its 12 years in power, but president-elect Macri announced he would ask Mercosur to apply the 'democratic clause' and suspend Venezuela from the bloc.

Mamet praised the naming of Argentine ambassador to the US, Martín Lousteau, and the new Foreign Minister Susana Malcorra, both with excellent references and they would do “a great job.”

On Saturday, the White House website revealed that US Vice-President Joe Biden had called president-elect Macri to congratulate him over the election win. During the telephone conversation, Biden and Macri promised to improve relations between the two countries.

“The two leaders agreed to deepen relations between the US and Argentina, as they consider it essential in constructing a western hemisphere that is prosperous, democratic and safe,” stated the White House. They exchanged perspectives about how to improve cooperation on “bilateral and regional issues.”
 
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Argentina Said to Seek $10 Billion Loan From Wall Street Banks - Bloomberg Business


Argentina’s President Mauricio Macri has kicked off talks with several Wall Street banks for $5 billion to $10 billion of loans in a bid to shore up central bank reserves, according to two people with knowledge of the matter.

Macri’s incoming Finance Secretary Luis Caputo, who traveled to New York this week, spoke with banks about backing the loans with sovereign debt owned by the central bank, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the matter is private. The loans would be repaid by the monetary authority in a year, said one of the people. A spokeswoman for incoming Finance Minister Alfonso Prat-Gay didn’t immediately reply to an e-mailed request for comment.

The search for financing comes as Argentina’s new government says it will unwind former President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner’s capital controls, which have kept the peso artificially strong, fueled parallel currency markets and stalled the economy. Unable to tap international bond markets because of a decade-long feud with creditors left over from the nation’s 2001 default that Fernandez refused to pay, the country is faced with the lowest level of international reserves in nine years.

“Given the financial emergency, we expect the government to obtain about $10 billion in financing in the first quarter to build reserves,” Sebastian Rondeau, an economist at Bank of America Corp., wrote in a report Thursday.

Argentine newspaper La Nacion reported the talks earlier Thursday.

Macri was sworn in Thursday. Caputo told a court-appointed mediator in New York that he wants to begin settlement negotiations with the holdouts, led by hedge fund Elliott Management, promptly.

The holdouts, who are trying to limit the nation’s ability to raise money offshore in an effort to pressure Argentina to comply with a court order to repay their defaulted debt, will scrutinize any transaction for violation of the judge’s orders, said the person. U.S. District Judge Thomas Griesa has prohibited Argentina from paying future overseas creditors before settling with the holdouts.

Stephen Spruiell, an Elliott spokesman, declined to comment.

“Attempting to access capital markets via foreign banks, ahead of a resolution, would
only serve to complicate matters,” Josh Rosner, a bank analyst at Graham Fisher & Co., wrote in a Dec. 6 report. “It would risk embroiling the new government in the legal problems created and perpetuated by the Kirchner regime and would be a counterproductive approach for a new administration seeking a fresh path.”

In an interview on TN television network on Thursday, Prat-Gay said he and the rest of the economic team will review the nation’s accounts Friday, their first day in office.

“People shouldn’t expect a barrage of economic measures,” he said. “They will arrive gradually. We have to see what the real situation is. Today is a day to celebrate, tomorrow we’ll begin to work and see what needs to be done.”


Argentina has massive upside.

Super Well Discovery And New Govt. Spark Shale Boom In Argentina | OilPrice.com

Shale oil is going to make Argentina relevant again.
 
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Lmao, looks like the banana republics of venezuela and argetina will finally join america's camp.
Maybe the banana republic of cuba will follow, what's up with all the banana republics congregating in america's camp. :lol:
 
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I agree with you on this one to be honest.:agree:

Anyway, seems we will be cooperating more with Argentina now that the hard line leftist Christina and her clan are gone. Was about time.




UK, Argentina aim to 'strengthen relations' after election

November 26, 2015 4:05 PM


View photo: Argentina's president elect Mauricio Macri gestures during a press conference in Buenos Aires on November 23, 2015 (AFP Photo/Juan Mabromata)

London (AFP) - Britain's David Cameron and Argentina's president-elect Mauricio Macri agreed to "strengthen relations" between their countries after a phone call Thursday, Downing Street said.

Britain and Argentina have long had tense ties due to their territorial dispute over the Falkland Islands, known in Spanish as Las Malvinas.
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The December 10 change of power will come at a time when Argentina's economy, Latin America's third largest

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Macri wants to open Latin America's No. 3 economy to more investment by lifting currency and trade controls


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Macri won 51.5 per cent of the vote in the run-off election to 48.5 per cent for ruling party rival Scioli, a smaller margin of victory than expected

Macri, who was elected Sunday promising economic reforms and seeking foreign investment, says he wants "good relations with all countries".

Cameron's Downing Street office said he had called Macri to congratulate him.

"The leaders agreed that this was an opportunity to strengthen relations between the UK and Argentina and to develop existing trade and investment links," a statement said.

"Acknowledging the differences between the two countries, both leaders agreed the need to pursue a path of open dialogue and to work towards a stronger partnership."

U.K Prime Minister David Cameron sent President-elect Mauricio Macri his congratulations. Photo via theconversation.com

Tensions between Britain and Argentina came to a head in 2012 when Macri's leftist predecessor Cristina Kirchner and Cameron clashed at a G20 summit after she tried to hand him a package of papers relating to the disputed islands and he refused it.
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Macri is pictured kissing his wife after winning the runoff election. He has promised to address the economic problems and to shake things up regionally

Argentina claims it inherited the remote, wind-swept Falkland Islands from Spain when it gained independence while Britain says it has historically ruled them and that the islanders should have the right to self-determination.

In a 2013 referendum, 99.8 percent voted to remain a British overseas territory.

The 1982 Falklands War claimed the lives of 700 Argentine soldiers, 255 British soldiers and three islanders.



LOOOL Poor leftists.....always living in a dream world. Reality is always harsh/different.:(


left is being defeated everywhere :yahoo:
 
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Venazuela is a great country and I hope their people will find , harmony to trade more with other nations of world like China and SCO , to bring much needed investment in their economies

Would love to see some cooperation between Pakistan - Venazuela or even Argentina

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Beautiful people of Venazuela

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Not to mention Argentina
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Some people will always view the world from the eyes of Capitalism , happiness needs no capital
 
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