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What I have noticed is that the ungrateful people and backstabbers always receive a harsh treatment. examples in ME and close region are greeks, armenians, kurds, persians, palestinians, Ba'ath party of Iraq, ...
They never learn their history lesson :lol:
Every people or a nation is made up of individuals which form a collective character. They don't have a character. A nation who doesn't have character won't produce great leaders. That is why the people you summed never had any significant leaders.
 
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Turkish troops could be used 'to protect safe zone in Syria' – Erdogan

Turkish troops could be used to guard a safe zone in Syria near the Turkish border to host refugees fleeing the Islamic State (ISIS) militants if an international agreement to establish such a zone is reached, the Turkish president said.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan turned down allegations in the Western media that his country is reluctant to get fully involved in the fight against the Islamic State.

“We will act together with the [NATO] coalition in terms of military, political and humanitarian support,” the Turkish president told Daily Sabah paper on his way home from the United Nations General Assembly meetings.

READ MORE: ISIS moves closer to Syria-Turkey border amid mass exodus of Kurds

The talks are currently underway to determine the roles of the 104 states taking part in the operation, Erdogan said.

The president reminded that, unlike other coalition members, Turkey has common borders with areas in Syria occupied by the Islamic State.

“Parliament will pass a mandate… on October 2, and we will take all necessary precautions to secure our borders, including military engagement,” he said.

Erdogan stressed that “Turkish military alone” will be able to protect the country’s borders from the jihadists.

Among the “necessary precautions” needed to be taken in order to cope with the ISIS threat, he named the creation of the safe zone for the refugees.

“1.5 million people have fled from war to our country. We propose the establishment of a safe zone on the Syrian border for these people,” the President said.

Once the safe zone is set up, it can be secured by establishing “a no fly-zone” and the “military will protect it,” he added.

According to Erdogan, the creation of the safe haven for Syrian refugees will be discussed by the members of the anti-ISIS coalition.

“The US was at first, a bit standoffish, but I believe they are now onboard,”
he said.

Turkish spillover
Meanwhile, Turkish territory is affected by the Islamic State’s offensive as four mortar shells landed on Turkish side of the border on Saturday, injuring two people.


Authorities in the border province of Sanliurfa have blocked the main road to the Syrian border as security worsens in the area, Reuters reports.

During the last week, the jihadists have been fighting Kurdish forces for the Syrian town of Kobani near the Turkish border.

The assault continues despite the US-led coalition launching more airstrikes against the Islamists on Saturday.

The airstrikes destroyed an ISIS building and two armed vehicles near Kobani, the US Central Command said.

A pair of U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles fly over northern Iraq after conducting airstrikes in Syria, in this U.S. Air Force handout photo taken early in the morning of September 23, 2014. (Reuters/U.S. Air Force/Senior Airman Matthew Bruch)

READ MORE: Ankara not keen on supporting US led anti-ISIS coalition

An airfield, garrison and training camp near the IS stronghold of Raqqa were also among the targets damaged by the coalition’s warplanes and drones.

The US, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the UAE conducted six airstrikes in Syria during the day.

Three airstrikes also took place in Iraq, destroying four ISIS armored vehicles and a “fighting position” southwest of Arbil, the Central Command added.

The United States has been carrying out strikes in Iraq since August 8, with the Syrian operation, in which the Arab allies are involved, starting on Tuesday without approval from the country’s authorities.

The airstrikes are aimed at “degrading and destroying” the Islamist militants, who have announced the creation of caliphate on large territories it captured in Syria and Iraq.

Turkish troops could be used 'to protect safe zone in Syria' – Erdogan — RT News
 
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The best would be Turkey staying out of Syria completely. Why should our soldiers risk their lives for nothing? Syria isn't our problem, let them kill each other for all eternity? Just beef up the border regions, stop any intrusion and we are good to go.
 
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Problem is Israel/US puppet SISI. Zionist and US don't allow Turkey Egypt alliance which could turn against Israel. People in our nations have no problems. Your illegal government is the problem.
Is that sarcasm because i hope it is.......
 
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Are Turkish troops trapped at Syrian tomb?

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At the moment, a critical debate is raging in Turkey about a Turkish Special Forces (TSF) detachment posted about 20 miles inside Syria to guard the Tomb of Suleiman Shah, an extraterritorial Turkish enclave. The debate has been fanned by the approaching parliamentary debate to authorize sending Turkish troops to Iraq and Syria.
Actually, the tomb has been on the agenda since March, when then-Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu (now prime minister) referred to the escalating civil war in Syria and declared that Turkey wouldn’t hesitate to take any measure needed for the security of the tomb that was marked as Turkish territory by the 1921 Turkey-France border accord.

Turkey indeed took some measures. On March 14, relatively inexperienced Turkish conscripts guarding the tomb were entirely replaced by about 50 to 60 combat-proven elite troops of the Turkish Special Forces Command, all experienced in anti-terror operations. After that rotation of troops, Davutoglu said: “For the time being, there is no question of a transgression against our troops at the tomb. The tomb is considered Turkish territory. Should there be such a threat, we are ready with all necessary measures. Our public should have no worries. We have completed all our preparations for any eventuality.”

This TSF detachment has been serving at the tomb the past 6½ months. But the situation has radically changed in the last 10 days, after the release of Turkish hostages by the Islamic State (IS), the Islamic State assault against Kobani and clashes that broke out between IS and the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) forces in the vicinity of the tomb. Since the end of July, the Turkish detachment has lost contact with local elements that had been providing it with logistics and intelligence. TSF personnel have been guarding the tomb under extremely difficult, high-risk conditions with limited electricity, water and food supplies. The Turkish news media have woken up and begun to question the safety of these 50 to 60 Turkish fighters equipped with light weapons.

According to some media reports quoting a Washington Post report by Ishaan Tharoor, IS has laid siege to the tomb and even took hostage some Turkish Special Forces personnel. On Sept. 30, Yeni Safak, a pro-government daily, reported on its front page that IS has deployed more than 1,000 militants around the tomb and cut the possible evacuation routes.

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An aerial view of the Tomb of Suleiman Shah, April 7, 2011. (photo by Google+/Iz Troya)


Although the chief of Turkey's General Staff quickly denied the report that Turkish soldiers had been taken hostage, the public and families of the military personnel at the tomb do not appear to be satisfied with the denials and have been asking why those Turkish soldiers have not been evacuated.

Security observers who have been following the developments in Syria closely have some interesting allegations. They say the General Staff has requested the government multiple times in last four months to evacuate the tomb. But high-level decision-makers of the government denied such requests on grounds that “the tomb is a part of Turkish soil.” As a result, the tomb, which could have been evacuated as part of the hostage exchange, was totally ignored. Families of TSF personnel are said to have watched with bitter smiles the political show staged by government leaders with the freed Mosul hostages and their happy families.

Relevant security observers are seeking answers to these questions:

  1. Why are TSF personnel at the tomb still not evacuated when every passing day is working against them?
  2. Are decision-makers thinking of using a murderous attack against TSF personnel as a pretext to further sink Turkey in the Syrian morass? What is the reason behind the political intransigence against evacuating the tomb?
  3. Are the weapons, equipment and supplies of the TSF at the tomb enough to withstand an attack? Are there heavy weapons and armored vehicle adequate to defend the tomb? Are plans made to evacuate and to reinforce the tomb ready? Have they been rehearsed? In case of an attack, can the tomb be evacuated or reinforced in time?
According to a security expert who knows the area intimately, Turkey has three options for the tomb. The first is to continue without any changes, the second is temporary evacuation of the guard detachment and the third is to reinforce the tomb unit with armored forces. The expert thinks the government is not in favor of evacuation or reinforcement. The Turkish government insisting on keeping 50 to 60 lightly armed troops despite increasing risks has no problem of capability. There must a strategic thought behind their decision.

What then is the reason for keeping those 50 to 60 soldiers facing such risks and not opting for evacuation or reinforcement?

Observers familiar with the issue claim that the TSF detachment was not evacuated during the bargaining for hostages on Sept. 19 and kept as a security deposit for the IS, as Henri Barkey wrote last week.

But the security expert says that this is a shallow argument and that the issue is more profound. The Turkish government, by maintaining the TSF personnel at the tomb, is keeping the Turkish army in check while using the presence of the troops at the tomb to justify intervention in Syria. After the parliamentary debate this week to authorize the government to intervene in Syria, the Turkish government will certain use the security of the tomb and the soldiers guarding it as a valid pretext for strategic moves such as creating a safety zone and no-fly zone in Syria.

It is also not far-fetched to say that the government, by saying “The Tomb of Suleiman Shah is part of Turkish soil,” is trying to capitalize on the growing sentiments of nationalism in the country and thus obtain the support of a majority of the population.

In short, the tomb is needed by the Turkish government to keep the army in check and to motivate it to enter Syria; to obtain support of the public after the parliamentary approval; and, finally, to better defend in the international arena its justification for intervening in Syria. The government has no intention of evacuating the tomb before the Syrian campaign expected in late October.

It is obvious that such a small number of Turkish troops, no matter how well they are trained, cannot resist IS indefinitely. The chief of General Staff and the TSF command are burning the midnight oil to persuade political decision-makers to decide on evacuation. But the political calculus of the government contradicts these efforts. The risk the government is taking, however, is a major one. If not properly managed and if calculations are not made correctly, fate of 50 to 60 Turkish soldiers at the tomb can cast dark shadows on the “New Turkey” ideal of the Davutoglu government.

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Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/tr/...mb-turkish-troops-trapped.html##ixzz3EqzKlxFX
 
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Are Turkish troops trapped at Syrian tomb?

They're not evacuating it because it's Turkish soil. And nothing significant has happened to change the situation at the tomb - it's been in ISIS controlled territory for months. It's amazing how some people can twist any situation into a "murderous plot" by Turkey, and publish it anonymously. It's also amazing that the author asks "why aren't they reinforcing it?" and at the same time implies that it's an excuse to invade to defend the tomb, when those two scenarios are, in implementation, exactly the same. Zero logic, zero information value, just anti-Turkic propaganda.
 
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IŞİD Kobani'ye girdi YPG sokak savaşına hazırlanıyor

IŞİD Kobani'ye ilerliyor YPG sokak savaşına hazırlanıyor - Hürriyet GÜNDEM

The IS has entered Ayn Al-Arab( official and historical name of that place). It seems ''Kurds'' are not seeming that big as they claimed, like Mullahs.

I have always supported the idea Turkey should let The terrorists to kill other terrorists without any blood shed on our side.

This news has also more effect at psychologic level; for some always claimed how undefeated they were, but it seems in face-to-face war( the real war, not hit and hide cowardness), they are like kids waiting for some to take the candy out of the hand.
 
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Is it Kobane, or near the border ?

sorry but I have to say it harsh : dare you to use this word if you are Turk then use another one! the german and western use it for bringing acceptence to the ppl they are putting shitty toughts to our brains with such small but untruth things there is no kobane!

its called Ain al-Arab !!!! ain al-arab does not sound kurdish and says what it is in reality: no kurdistan..

so at all turks dont use this shitty word
 
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Ypg is almost done. They are drinking alcohol and fighting, quality whisky Jack daniels ahahaha... @alkurdi

 
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