The Concept of the Pan-Malay Union: A discussion

[powastick]

When Srivijaya collapse many Malays from Sumatera migrated to other islands including (now) Philippine archipelago. The name Visaya is derived from Sri Vijaya, name of the old empire.

There is Cham people after the collapse of Champa.

 

[Aepsilons]

When Srivijaya collapse many Malays from Sumatera migrated to other islands including (now) Philippine archipelago. The name Visaya is derived from Sri Vijaya, name of the old empire.

Perhaps my friend, that is the etiology of the word Visaya [Sri Vijaya].

In the Philippines, the local kings were referred to as Rajah or Datu. For example in the island of present day Cebu, the King of Cebu was Rajah Humabon , in Central Luzon the King was Rajah Lakandula. Rajahs were the Kings, and the chiefs of minor states were referred to as Datu.

What is the term for King and Chieftain in Bahasa Indonesia ? In Betawi dialect?

 

[somsak]

Chinese have little interest in local football. Even Malays would cheer for Manchester United vs All-star Malaysia team. But for Thailand, it think could be a mistake? Our Malaysian football now rank 166 lower than Buthan.

May be my misunderstanding. I read Thai translated comments from Malaysian Chinese website, whose original text was written with Chinese Characters. Most of comments there cheered for Thai. Perhaps bad generalization.

 

[katarabhumi]

Perhaps my friend, that is the etiology of the word Visaya [Sri Vijaya].

In the Philippines, the local kings were referred to as Rajah or Datu. For example in the island of present day Cebu, the King of Cebu was Rajah Humabon , in Central Luzon the King was Rajah Lakandula. Rajahs were the Kings, and the chiefs of minor states were referred to as Datu.

What is the term for King and Chieftain in Bahasa Indonesia ? In Betawi dialect?

Similar. King is Raja (without "h" at the end as word "rajah" in Indonesian has another meaning). For muslim kingdoms, the title Sultan is generally used.

 

[70U63]

May be my misunderstanding. I read Thai translated comments from Malaysian Chinese website, whose original text was written with Chinese Characters. Most of comments there cheered for Thai. Perhaps bad generalization.

Don't worry about this issue.
A lot of Malaysian Chinese love their country (including myself).
The racial issue in the country is mainly cause by internal political struggle.
Yes, the Chinese complain a lot, just like those Chinese from all around the world (excluding Banana ).

 

[Aepsilons]

Similar. King is Raja (without "h" at the end as word "rajah" in Indonesian has another meaning). For muslim kingdoms, the title Sultan is generally used.

In Cebu, there is a historical king that is considered a national hero or a regional hero --- because he was credited in slaying the Spanish explorer Ferdinand Magellan. He is known as Rajah Lapu Lapu. I was curious to know of his legend when I first visited Cebu and was impressed that the Filipinos have remembered their local heroes who nobly fought against Spanish colonial rule.

Legend says that Rajah Lapu Lapu severed the head of Magellan with a native sword that Cebuanos use known as the Kampilan:

Something similar to this,

 

[katarabhumi]

In Cebu, there is a historical king that is considered a national hero or a regional hero --- because he was credited in slaying the Spanish explorer Ferdinand Magellan. He is known as Rajah Lapu Lapu. I was curious to know of his legend when I first visited Cebu and was impressed that the Filipinos have remembered their local heroes who nobly fought against Spanish colonial rule.

Legend says that Rajah Lapu Lapu severed the head of Magellan with a native sword that Cebuanos use known as the Kampilan:

Something similar to this,

Yes. People in the region (Maluku and Mindanao) use this type of long blade. Here we call it "Parang".

You know, there's a city in Cavite, Philippines name Ternate. It was erected by Ternatean who migrated there in 16th century. They helped Spanish against Chinese pirates and was granted a land to live in which they named Ternate after the name of their ancestral home island.

Ternate, Cavite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ternate, Indonesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Aepsilons]

Yes. People in the region (Maluku and Mindanao) use this type of long blade. Here we call it "Parang".

You know, there's a city in Cavite, Philippines name Ternate. It was erected by Ternatean who migrated there in 16th century. They helped Spanish against Chinese pirates and was granted a land to live in which they named Ternate after the name of their ancestral home island.


Ternate, Cavite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ternate, Indonesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Can you explain to me the meaning of the words "Parang dari Maluku"

Parang is referring to sword, yes? Maluku is referring to the origin. But the word "Dari" what does it mean?

So much similarity between Filipinos and Indonesians , historically and culturally.

 

[katarabhumi]

Can you explain to me the meaning of the words "Parang dari Maluku"

Parang is referring to sword, yes? Maluku is referring to the origin. But the word "Dari" what does it mean?

So much similarity between Filipinos and Indonesians , historically and culturally.

It simply means Sword(s) of Maluku.

 

[Aepsilons]

It simply means Sword(s) of Maluku.

ah, so its a preposition. very interesting sentence formation as its similar to Tagalog and Visaya.

In Visaya (Cebuano), they would say 'Sundang Sa Cebu'

Sundang refers to 'sword' or 'blade'

'Sa' is a preoposition term.

Cebu is the place, the island.

So 'Sundang Sa Cebu' means "Sword of Cebu".

'Keris Sa Mindanao' means 'Keris of Mindanao'

 

[Cossack25A1]

In Cebu, there is a historical king that is considered a national hero or a regional hero --- because he was credited in slaying the Spanish explorer Ferdinand Magellan. He is known as Rajah Lapu Lapu. I was curious to know of his legend when I first visited Cebu and was impressed that the Filipinos have remembered their local heroes who nobly fought against Spanish colonial rule.

Legend says that Rajah Lapu Lapu severed the head of Magellan with a native sword that Cebuanos use known as the Kampilan:

Something similar to this,

But that sword is said to be more common across the PH archipelago compared to the wavy Kris/Kalis. It just happened that the Kampilan is called by different names in Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao.

 

[Aepsilons]

@Cossack25A1 --- let's discuss in this thread.

But that sword is said to be more common across the PH archipelago compared to the wavy Kris/Kalis. It just happened that the Kampilan is called by different names in Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao.

Yes, I agree with you that the Kampilan is more popular in the philippines than the Keris/ Kris. For one, while the Kris / Keris is great for close-line combat, its reach is fairly limited, whereas the Kampilan can dispatch a man , and can easily cut a man in half with a strong stroke.

In fact, the Kampilan is similar to the Taiwanese Aborogines' sword called the 'Takit'.

These were, naturally, used for head hunting, as well as severing.

 

[Aepsilons]

You can see the similarities between the Takit and Kampilan.

 

[Cossack25A1]

You can see the similarities between the Takit and Kampilan.

The shape of the sword and the tip are similar, though some kampilan tend to have two tips. Either way, this shows that the we Filipinos are not isolated from Asia contrary to what a few have said due to having no written history.

 

[Aepsilons]

The shape of the sword and the tip are similar, though some kampilan tend to have two tips. Either way, this shows that the we Filipinos are not isolated from Asia contrary to what a few have said due to having no written history.

Well, one has to consider that the Philippines was colonized not by 'non-transformative' colonial powers such as the Dutch, or English, who focused their colonialization on fiscal matters. The Philippines was colonized by the Spanish Empire, an Imperial Entity that was very much focused on transforming her territorial possessions abroad comprehensively --- culturally, socially, and politically as well as economically. Take for example all former Spanish colonies -- and you will notice the imprint of Hispanization. In regards to the Philippines, the country was 'transformed' to Spanish entity and the Spanish identity. I suppose your indigenous writings known as 'baybayin' were eradicated from the histories by the Spanish inquisitors and Spanish gobernadorcillos that ruled the whole of your islands with an iron fist for nearly half a millenia.

That's not something you can change, but , i suppose, consider in meta-analysis.