The big lie: How Bloomberg used a vague article to smear China

[gambit]

problem is, Bloomberg claimed China put that spy chip on EVERY SINGLE ONE motherboard, you'd think spot check would have caught it, since it is installed on EVERY SINGLE ONE.

If the manufacturer is involved, what make you think Supermicro care?

 

[valkyr_96]

There is a considerable effort being made to get the supply chain relocated to the US...thank you all for posting all the clarification

 

[gambit]

There is a considerable effort being made to get the supply chain relocated to the US...thank you all for posting all the clarification

You better believe it that right now, ALL the CEOs of the major technology suppliers to US industries are taking a hard second look at China. We know that IP theft is rampant in China but at the altar of capitalism, we were willing to make sacrifices. Now it is possible that the Chinese government may -- and the operative word is 'may' -- have semi-permanent access to secrets of all types, these CEOs are going to regret their decisions to do business in China and put national security at risk. This applies to the Euros as well.

 

[PeaceGen]

Are you surprised that the US gov spying the entire world?

No. It makes perfect sense.
Between countries, it's better to spy than to have to go to war unequally armed.

Between countries and individuals : why would you hand the advantage of the internet and mobile phones to criminals when you can hand it to the police departments?

problem is, Bloomberg claimed China put that spy chip on EVERY SINGLE ONE motherboard, you'd think spot check would have caught it, since it is installed on EVERY SINGLE ONE.

And it's easy to create 2 versions : 1 to show to the client before the purchase, another to actually sell in bulk.

But the Chinese have a point : there is no irrefutable evidence of all of this yet.
There will be hell to pay if and when that ever does arise.

 

[Kyle Sun]

No. It makes perfect sense.
Between countries, it's better to spy than to have to go to war unequally armed.

Between countries and individuals : why would you hand the advantage of the internet and mobile phones to criminals when you can hand it to the police departments?

Okay. Now we know what is America exceptionalism.
American are just too blind to see itself in the mirror before pointing fingers to other nations.
History tells us the US will make whatever allegation they need to against another country without any proof. Poor Saddam, poor Gaddafi,poor Asad.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

No. It makes perfect sense.
Between countries, it's better to spy than to have to go to war unequally armed.

Between countries and individuals : why would you hand the advantage of the internet and mobile phones to criminals when you can hand it to the police departments?



And it's easy to create 2 versions : 1 to show to the client before the purchase, another to actually sell in bulk.

But the Chinese have a point : there is no irrefutable evidence of all of this yet.
There will be hell to pay if and when that ever does arise.

Apparently there is a list but I think they (US, Apple, Amazon) are protecting SuperMicro (US Company) from bad PR and Bloomberg went and published it anyway. So they are denying everything.

https://9to5mac.com/2018/10/08/chinese-spy-chip-2/

"The U.S. Government isn’t eager to admit it, but there has long been an unofficial inventory of tech components and vendors that are forbidden to buy from if you’re in charge of procuring products or services on behalf of the U.S. Government. Call it the “brown list, “black list,” “entity list” or what have you, but it’s basically an indelible index of companies that are on the permanent Shit List of Uncle Sam for having been caught pulling some kind of supply chain shenanigans."

 

[rambro]

The smear campaign n propagandas shows desperation to cling on to their old dying paradigm

 

[gambit]

If you cannot refute the technical feasibility of this allegation, then the allegation have crossed over the %50 threshold for being credible. That is not to say that the allegation by itself is sufficient for that crossover, but to put the allegation into context of the history of China's continuous quest to acquire foreign technology by any means necessary, and under state direction at that.

There is no new technology here. Standard espionage uses the interception tactic, meaning trying to access information as that information moves from point to point and the intercept could be facilitated by friendly operators at those points. The interception method is preferred by state level intelligence agencies as the method is most easily denied and withdrawal when necessary. One downside to this method is that the information could be tainted by counterintelligence operations without the receiver aware that he has been known.

If this allegation is proven true, this would be the equivalent of planting a microphone in the meeting room and no one knows of that microphone. The risk is that if the microphone is found, technical forensic analysis would trace its manufacturing origin and eventually to its owner.

This is a 'smear campaign'? No, if the Chinese government is behind this, it will not see this as a 'smear campaign' but just another success and failure of espionage.

 

[Nan Yang]

If you cannot refute the technical feasibility of this allegation, then the allegation have crossed over the %50 threshold for being credible. That is not to say that the allegation by itself is sufficient for that crossover, but to put the allegation into context of the history of China's continuous quest to acquire foreign technology by any means necessary, and under state direction at that.

There is no new technology here. Standard espionage uses the interception tactic, meaning trying to access information as that information moves from point to point and the intercept could be facilitated by friendly operators at those points. The interception method is preferred by state level intelligence agencies as the method is most easily denied and withdrawal when necessary. One downside to this method is that the information could be tainted by counterintelligence operations without the receiver aware that he has been known.

If this allegation is proven true, this would be the equivalent of planting a microphone in the meeting room and no one knows of that microphone. The risk is that if the microphone is found, technical forensic analysis would trace its manufacturing origin and eventually to its owner.

This is a 'smear campaign'? No, if the Chinese government is behind this, it will not see this as a 'smear campaign' but just another success and failure of espionage.

You give China too much credit.....whenever it fit your point of view or agenda.

 

[TaiShang]

The smear campaign n propagandas shows desperation to cling on to their old dying paradigm

This propaganda and cheap tactics do not make China look extremely strong and smart, but make the US regime very weak and stupid.

Now they have got to lick back the spit against the wind.

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Bloomberg's China hacking report: US, UK governments back Amazon, Apple's denials

By Gong Zhe
2018-10-08

Have Chinese military spies planted hack chips to infiltrate US companies?

Yes, according to Bloomberg Businessweek, which said they asked more than 100 people related to a US government investigation on the alleged hack, with 17 of them reportedly confirming the unauthorized access.

But two of the tech companies, namely Amazon and Apple, whose servers, according to Bloomberg, were targeted by the tiny chip have issued
official statements denying the report.

Soon after, the UK government said there is no reason to question the two companies' denials.

Over the weekend, the US government also stated the same.

Screenshot of a report by US Department of Homeland Security on Bloomberg's hack report.


"Like our partners in the UK ... at this time we have no reason to doubt the statements from the companies," said a statement from the US Department of Homeland Security.

Every party related to the report has denied the existence of the hack, except Businessweek.

CGTN will continue to monitor the story and bring you the latest development.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d514f31497a4e7a457a6333566d54/share_p.html

 

[Kyle Sun]

This propaganda and cheap tactics do not make China look extremely strong and smart, but make the US regime very weak and stupid.

Now they have got to lick back the spit against the wind.

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Bloomberg's China hacking report: US, UK governments back Amazon, Apple's denials

By Gong Zhe
2018-10-08

Have Chinese military spies planted hack chips to infiltrate US companies?

Yes, according to Bloomberg Businessweek, which said they asked more than 100 people related to a US government investigation on the alleged hack, with 17 of them reportedly confirming the unauthorized access.

But two of the tech companies, namely Amazon and Apple, whose servers, according to Bloomberg, were targeted by the tiny chip have issued
official statements denying the report.

Soon after, the UK government said there is no reason to question the two companies' denials.

Over the weekend, the US government also stated the same.

Screenshot of a report by US Department of Homeland Security on Bloomberg's hack report.


"Like our partners in the UK ... at this time we have no reason to doubt the statements from the companies," said a statement from the US Department of Homeland Security.

Every party related to the report has denied the existence of the hack, except Businessweek.

CGTN will continue to monitor the story and bring you the latest development.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d514f31497a4e7a457a6333566d54/share_p.html

I can't imagine how desperate they are to make such a lame excuse.

 

[TaiShang]

I can't imagine how desperate they are to make such a lame excuse.

Anger often reflects weakness, not strength.

The US regime has been very angry recently.

Anger dealt with calmness and resoluteness will generate more anger and irrational behavior on part of the angry side.

 

[master_13]

If you cannot refute the technical feasibility of this allegation, then the allegation have crossed over the %50 threshold for being credible. That is not to say that the allegation by itself is sufficient for that crossover, but to put the allegation into context of the history of China's continuous quest to acquire foreign technology by any means necessary, and under state direction at that.

There is no new technology here. Standard espionage uses the interception tactic, meaning trying to access information as that information moves from point to point and the intercept could be facilitated by friendly operators at those points. The interception method is preferred by state level intelligence agencies as the method is most easily denied and withdrawal when necessary. One downside to this method is that the information could be tainted by counterintelligence operations without the receiver aware that he has been known.

If this allegation is proven true, this would be the equivalent of planting a microphone in the meeting room and no one knows of that microphone. The risk is that if the microphone is found, technical forensic analysis would trace its manufacturing origin and eventually to its owner.

This is a 'smear campaign'? No, if the Chinese government is behind this, it will not see this as a 'smear campaign' but just another success and failure of espionage.

the big question is "if" chinese government is behind this, and the answer is resounding no. So yes, it is "smear campaign" by these fake news.

If the manufacturer is involved, what make you think Supermicro care?

their reputation and the possibility of getting shutdown by the US government? so Supermicro does care about their supply chain.

this is only tip of the iceberg of classic anti-china and china slandering fake news that are rampant throughout American news media.

 

[TaiShang]

the big question is "if" chinese government is behind this, and the answer is resounding no. So yes, it is "smear campaign" by these fake news.

their reputation and the possibility of getting shutdown by the US government? so Supermicro does care about their supply chain.

this is only tip of the iceberg of classic anti-china and china slandering fake news that are rampant throughout American news media.

It will pass. This is not the first fake news campaign. Will not be the last. In fact, I did a brief archival research and history is filled with such anti-China spasm on part of the US regime.

In the end, it is all a matter of management. If Republicans become anti-China, Democrats will be more benign. If Democrats become anti-Russia, Republicans will be more benign.

It is all internal politics acting as foreign policy. This is how we must view US foreign policy.

Most of US foreign policy is essentially domestic policy.