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The Bible Thumpers of America: A Grave Danger to the World!

Did you just say people on TV, our bit over the top Christians, are more dangerous than ISIS and AL Queda?

*Looks around the world and checks where and whom terrorism is emanating from, and shakes head*

Yes, I said that, knowing how controversial it may sound! ISIS and Al Qaida are cruel loser terrorists but even their global plans don't involve asking for the destruction of the world to fulfill some crazed 'Holy Book' prophesy. These terrorists are on the run. They should be gone from the face of this world. But the bigger dangers are those who, contradicting to what you are saying as 'over the top Christians', have actual power, connections, money. These 'over the top Christians' are not working in a vacuum. They are there for a reason and they are sustained for a reason.
 
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That was a terrible war.
I still find it hard to believe that the massacre of Srebrenica was allowed when it was under the UN protection. In a continent which had barely 40 years before said 'Never Again'.

It was purposely allowed to happen, only time UN forces stepped in was when Pakistan responded and UN (Western Forces) tried to save face and acted as if they were part of the solution. European Forces often times allowed the massacres to happen directly under their watch --
 
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Yes, I said that, knowing how controversial it may sound! ISIS and Al Qaida are cruel loser terrorists but even their global plans don't involve asking for the destruction of the world to fulfill some crazed 'Holy Book' prophesy. These terrorists are on the run. They should be gone from the face of this world. But the bigger dangers are those who, contradicting to what you are saying as 'over the top Christians', have actual power, connections, money. These 'over the top Christians' are not working in a vacuum. They are there for a reason and they are sustained for a reason.

whaaat did you just say! :woot:o_O QUOTE- " ISIS and Al Qaida are cruel loser terrorists but even their global plans don't involve asking for the destruction of the world to fulfill some crazed 'Holy Book' prophesy".

*Looks around the world for the motivation for ISIS and AQ which they proudly, openly claim to be religion-based zealotry, and shakes head*
*Looks around the world to see if these US Christians have beheaded anyone, have suicide bombers, done terrorist acts... and finds zilch*.

Did you choose a horrible country that has Christians worse than ISIS and al Qaeda (your words), to seek your bread and butter, and why?
 
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whaaat did you just say! :woot:o_O QUOTE- " ISIS and Al Qaida are cruel loser terrorists but even their global plans don't involve asking for the destruction of the world to fulfill some crazed 'Holy Book' prophesy".

*Looks around the world for the motivation for ISIS and AQ which they proudly, openly claim to be religion-based zealotry, and shakes head*
*Looks around the world to see if these US Christians have beheaded anyone, have suicide bombers, done terrorist acts... and finds zilch*.

Did you choose a horrible country that has Christians worse than ISIS and al Qaeda (your words), to seek your bread and butter, and why?

Oh, don't twist my words and go on the typical shallow immigrant bashing! That's a little too cheap and it shows! Christians are certainly not worse than ISIS and I have been very clear above! Pointing out that about 20% of the American Evangelical Christians have sinister plans for the world, have an exaggeration influence on the American foreign policy, especially when it comes to the the Middle East is saying the truth. You can't deny that just because ISIS is an evil then there is no counterpart evil philosophy in America. Two wrongs don't make it right!

Anyway, I stand by what I have said above! The world must know as to why a Godless-Grab-them-by-their-$ussies Trump appears so Christian--yes, the most powerful man in the world!

BTW, I live in America because I love it here. I had no problem having a good life in Pakistan in the past nor I see any issues in the future. Not every immigrant hates America just because they point out some things which are destructive to America's own interests. But then--if you are a self-righteous bigot then one might as well play flute to a buffalo!
 
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Oh, don't twist my words and go on the typical shallow immigrant bashing! That's a little too cheap and it shows! Christians are certainly not worse than ISIS and I have been very clear above! Pointing out that about 20% of the American Evangelical Christians have sinister plans for the world, have an exaggeration influence on the American foreign policy, especially when it comes to the the Middle East is saying the truth. You can't deny that just because ISIS is an evil then there is no counterpart evil philosophy in America. Two wrongs don't make it right!

Anyway, I stand by what I have said above! The world must know as to why a Godless-Grab-them-by-their-$ussies Trump appears so Christian--yes, the most powerful man in the world!

BTW, I live in America because I love it here. I had no problem having a good life in Pakistan in the past nor I see any issues in the future. Not every immigrant hates America just because they point out some things which are destructive to America's own interests. But then--if you are a self-righteous bigot then one might as well play flute to a buffalo!

I did not twist your words, I quoted your exact words. You said, quote " They (speaking of US TV evangelist Christians), in my opinion, are more dangerous to the world peace then any ISIS or Al-Qaida ..."

Once I asked you about it, you did a 180 and said above "Christians are certainly not worse than ISIS and I have been very clear above!"

Btw, I disagree that US Christians have sinister plans to take over the world. They know we are never going to be the Christian republic of America
 
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I did not twist your words, I quoted your exact words. You said, quote " They (speaking of US TV evangelist Christians), in my opinion, are more dangerous to the world peace then any ISIS or Al-Qaida ..."

Once I asked you about it, you did a 180 and said above "Christians are certainly not worse than ISIS and I have been very clear above!"

Btw, I disagree that US Christians have sinister plans to take over the world. They know we are never going to be the Christian republic of America

I am not into mindless banters in this forum--I have other things to do, nor I am one of those who cheer for the downfall of American economy or American dollar. It's all there in my posts. But I am going to, once again, very clearly state what I had been saying above: About 20% Americans who identify as Evangelical Christians are MORE dangerous to the world peace than even the terrorists of ISIS or Al Qaida. There is no 180 degree turn around. These terrorists are on the run, are being destroyed, as they must be. Prove it if I had any change in position!!! That I had said in all above posts while also acknowledging that the larger branch of Christianity--the Catholicism, led by the Pope himself--who are far more for the inclusivity of humanity. I have never pointed finger at the European Christians or the South American Christians.

To reiterate: The rabid Evangelical Christians who are seeking the the Rapture are very powerful, are well oiled and connected, determined, are a force which can't be ignored in the tight US Presidential elections, are in bed with the Military Industrial Complex, are as far from the true spirit of Christianity as any Christian could ever be are indeed a grave danger to the world peace! These fanatics played a key role in the American invasion of Iraq in 2003--an act, which any patriotic American must know was a great financial and strategic blunder. Who gained from that invasion? Iran and China!! These fanatics are not some 'over the top Christians', as you so conveniently brush aside. They are a power in America which the most Godless person like Trump likes to embrace.

I don't see there is any point debating with you. I have lived more than half my life in America. I am a late night guy in social scene and had even debated with apparently Klan men. So I know some about the Americans of certain types. The point of this thread is to show the world that there is indeed a sinister powerful force in America which is hidden in plain sight and is a menace to the world peace and to the America's own standing in the world.
 
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The sinister affects of the Bible Thumpers on the American foreign policy are not hard to find. Leading up to the Iraq War of 2003, we may not had the social media or the smart phone revolutions, but the internet was still full of information. Who stood for a war which proved so destructive to the American influence, and who genuinely opposed it? Now, as hindsight is 20/20, we know that America lost big by invading Iraq, the truth about the Bible Thumpers to America's decline is not hard to find.

Here is a an article at NY Times from 2006. A sort of 'mea culpa' by the Evangelicals Christians for their role. Some big names are in this article.


https://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/20/opinion/wayward-christian-soldiers.html [emphases added in bold]


Wayward Christian Soldiers
By Charles Marsh


Charlottesville, Va. - IN the past several years, American evangelicals, and I am one of them, have amassed greater political power than at any time in our history. But at what cost to our witness and the integrity of our message?
Recently, I took a few days to reread the war sermons delivered by influential evangelical ministers during the lead up to the Iraq war. That period, from the fall of 2002 through the spring of 2003, is not one I will remember fondly. Many of the most respected voices in American evangelical circles blessed the president's war plans, even when doing so required them to recast Christian doctrine.
Charles Stanley, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Atlanta, whose weekly sermons are seen by millions of television viewers, led the charge with particular fervor. "We should offer to serve the war effort in any way possible," said Mr. Stanley, a former president of the Southern Baptist Convention. "God battles with people who oppose him, who fight against him and his followers." In an article carried by the convention's Baptist Press news service, a missionary wrote that "American foreign policy and military might have opened an opportunity for the Gospel in the land of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob."
As if working from a slate of evangelical talking points, both Franklin Graham, the evangelist and son of Billy Graham, and Marvin Olasky, the editor of the conservative World magazine and a former advisor to President Bush on faith-based policy, echoed these sentiments, claiming that the American invasion of Iraq would create exciting new prospects for proselytizing Muslims. Tim LaHaye, the co-author of the hugely popular "Left Behind" series, spoke of Iraq as "a focal point of end-time events," whose special role in the earth's final days will become clear after invasion, conquest and reconstruction. For his part, Jerry Falwell boasted that "God is pro-war" in the title of an essay he wrote in 2004.



The war sermons rallied the evangelical congregations behind the invasion of Iraq. An astonishing 87 percent of all white evangelical Christians in the United States supported the president's decision in April 2003. Recent polls indicate that 68 percent of white evangelicals continue to support the war. But what surprised me, looking at these sermons nearly three years later, was how little attention they paid to actual Christian moral doctrine. Some tried to square the American invasion with Christian "just war" theory, but such efforts could never quite reckon with the criterion that force must only be used as a last resort. As a result, many ministers dismissed the theory as no longer relevant.

Some preachers tried to link Saddam Hussein with wicked King Nebuchadnezzar of Biblical fame, but these arguments depended on esoteric interpretations of the Old Testament book of II Kings and could not easily be reduced to the kinds of catchy phrases that are projected onto video screens in vast evangelical churches. The single common theme among the war sermons appeared to be this: our president is a real brother in Christ, and because he has discerned that God's will is for our nation to be at war against Iraq, we shall gloriously comply.


Such sentiments are a far cry from those expressed in the Lausanne Covenant of 1974. More than 2,300 evangelical leaders from 150 countries signed that statement, the most significant milestone in the movement's history. Convened by Billy Graham and led by John Stott, the revered Anglican evangelical priest and writer, the signatories affirmed the global character of the church of Jesus Christ and the belief that "the church is the community of God's people rather than an institution, and must not be identified with any particular culture, social or political system, or human ideology."
On this page, David Brooks correctly noted that if evangelicals elected a pope, it would most likely be Mr. Stott, who is the author of more than 40 books on evangelical theology and Christian devotion. Unlike the Pope John Paul II, who said that invading Iraq would violate Catholic moral teaching and threaten "the fate of humanity," or even Pope Benedict XVI, who has said there were "not sufficient reasons to unleash a war against Iraq," Mr. Stott did not speak publicly on the war. But in a recent interview, he shared with me his abiding concerns.
"Privately, in the days preceding the invasion, I had hoped that no action would be taken without United Nations authorization," he told me. "I believed then and now that the American and British governments erred in proceeding without United Nations approval." Reverend Stott referred me to "War and Rumors of War, " a chapter from his 1999 book, "New Issues Facing Christians Today," as the best account of his position. In that essay he wrote that the Christian community's primary mission must be "to hunger for righteousness, to pursue peace, to forbear revenge, to love enemies, in other words, to be marked by the cross."



What will it take for evangelicals in the United States to recognize our mistaken loyalty? We have increasingly isolated ourselves from the shared faith of the global Church, and there is no denying that our Faustian bargain for access and power has undermined the credibility of our moral and evangelistic witness in the world. The Hebrew prophets might call us to repentance, but repentance is a tough demand for a people utterly convinced of their righteousness.
Op-Ed Contributor Charles Marsh, a professor of religion at the University of Virginia, is the author of "The Beloved Community: How Faith Shapes Social Justice, from the Civil Rights Movement to Today."
 
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Maybe the bad guy is not the common Christian.

But a hidden sect called as Freemasonry.
 
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