The Arabs are paying the price for peace with Israel

[Ahmet Pasha]

Yeah give them Germany. Where they claim they were slaughtered.

One genuine question - it is a well known fact that Muhammad drove out the Jews from middle East as he was establishing Islam . Isn't it fair that the Jews are given some sort of land of their own ? No trollers ,sarcasm or angry post please. Jusy wabt to know opinion.

You didnt get it did you. The point is Mizrahi jews look middle eastern so they can penetrate into any mid east country.

Iranis r obsessed with eliminating Saudi
Saudi are mad dog crazy about Iran and Yemen
Libyans and Syrians were tricked into believing they were oppressed and so called "Democracy" will bring better life.

Look how the jew has made a fool out of you all by using nationalism against you. And has made you enemies. When you should have been brothers against the animosity of these evil Jews and Christians.

ALL OF YOU WHETHER ARAB or NON ARAB NEED TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE.

GREATER ISRAEL

????
Are we Arabs ???
You were speaking about Arabs.
Saudis have no shame they completely became Zionists and American puppet.

Exactly

Here the chronology in the formation of MOSSAD:

1915 November: Netzah Yisrael Lo Yeshaker (NILI), a clandestine pro-British spying organization, is founded in Ottoman Turkish-ruled Palestine by Aharon Aaronsohn, his brother Alexander Aaronsohn, his
sister Sarah Aaronsohn, Avshalom Feinberg, and the Belkind brothers.

1917 February: The first contact is made between the Netzah Yisrael Lo Yeshaker (NILI) center at Atlit and British intelligence in Cairo. The connection is maintained by sea for several months and the British receive useful
information from the group. September: The Turks catch a carrier pigeon sent from Atlit to Egypt, furnishing clear proof of espionage within the Jewish population. One of the group, Na’aman Belkind, is captured by the Turks. 1 October: NILI is uncovered by the Turkish police; Turkish soldiers surround its members in Zikhron Ya’akov and arrest many people, including Sarah Aaronsohn. 5 October: Sarah Aaronsohn attempts suicide after four days of torture: she shoots and mortally wounds herself, dying on 9 October.

1919 May: Aharon Aaronsohn is killed in an air accident; Netzah Yisrael Lo Yeshaker (NILI) finally breaks up.

1920 The Haganah underground militia is officially established.

1936 Ezra Danin, together with Ephraim Dekel and Emmanuel Wilensky, lays the foundations of the Arab Department in the Haganah.

1939 The Mossad Le’Aliyah Beth is created to organize illegal Jewish immigration to Palestine.

1940 June: Shaul Avigur, in a memorandum to the Haganah command, proposes establishing a joint countrywide information service. September: Avigur’s proposal goes into effect, and the Information Service (Sheruth Yedioth, or Shai), the Haganah’s intelligence arm, is officially established.

1941 The Palmah underground militia creates the Syrian Platoon, commanded by Yisrael Ben-Yehuda and Yehoshua (Josh) Palmon, who have made a major specialist contribution to Shai; members of the platoon
speak Arabic and operate in Syria.

1942 Due to World War II, the Mossad Le’Aliyah Beth activities are wholly suspended for the duration of the war.

1943 The Palmah sets up the Arab Platoon, a unit of combat and intelligence officers disguised as Arabs for covert missions. It is known by its codename Shahar.

1944 The Palmah sets up the German Platoon, consisting of Germanspeaking Palestinian Jews, commanded by Shimon Avidan. They are parachuted into Nazi-occupied Eastern Europe to encourage resistance and collect intelligence. The Mossad Le’Aliyah Beth activities are resumed when Palestinian Jews learn the full extent of the “Final Solution.”

1945 Yolande Harmer is recruited in Egypt to the Political Department of the Jewish Agency during a visit to Egypt by the department’s head, Moshe Sharett; posing as a journalist, she is considered one of the best spies in Egypt. July: Briha (Escape), an organization for the illegal immigration movement of Jews to Palestine from postwar Soviet-occupied Eastern Europe, begins activities.

1946 In Hadera, Palmah’s Arab Platoon organizes courses on intelligence, as a result of cooperation between Zerubaval Vermal (Arbel), nicknamed Chifab, later a founder of combat intelligence in Israel Defense
Forces (IDF), and Yehoshua Flomin. Participants are taught Arabic and hear lectures to gain an acquaintance with the Arabs.

1948 14 May: The State of Israel is declared. 15 May: Israel becomes an independent state. 7 June: Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, after consulting with Shai’s acting director Reuven Shiloah, resolves to establish
three intelligence organizations instead of Shai: Military Intelligence (MI), attached to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) General Staff; a domestic secret service, later known as the Israeli Security Agency (ISA); and a foreign intelligence service. The first two are initially subordinate to the IDF; the foreign intelligence service is intended to be subordinate to the minister of defense until the end of Israel’s War of Independence.

So, Israeli's started infiltration of Arabs from 1946, that's why they are very deeply entrenched there!

 

[The SC]

The big price was paid by the Arabs (and Muslims) at the establishment of Usrael, which has happened at the peak of Western powers, winners of WWII - who still support it on all levels-..and at a very low and weak point in the Arab and Muslim nations in general who -most of them- were still colonised by the same winners/powers of WWII..This might explain the theory about the role of European Jews in enticing World Wars..because the timing was too much in favour of establishing the Zionist state (One can read about their plan since the 18th century..Disraeli is a good start point).. And the effects of which still extend to the post colonialist era, where the Arabs although got their independence.. they were still mentally colonized by the Western ideologies, and some have switched (by force of things) to the opposite side ideologies of communism.. hence, the conflicts between Western and Eastern ideologies implanted in the Arab colonies and post-colonies have impacted the Arab World; the cold war was played on many levels, and unfortunately the Arab's political currents were swayed right and left.. meaning destabilisation on all levels.. and this went on till the 70s, 80s and 90s (Lebanon is a good example).. after that there was this "Arab Spring" thing which shacked the Arab world to the core, and only very stable countries survived it _Luckily it was the majority of Arab states_..who still took notice and started deep reforms .. the rest like Libya, Yemen and Syria were not stable enough and hence paid a heavy price for it.. so in fact it is not a price for peace with Usrael, but a price to get out of a world order established since WWII not in favor of Arabs or Muslims in general, and join "the new world order" (what ever that means) ..Getting out of the status quo is best to describe it..

 

[AfrazulMandal]

It was an act of war, and according to just laws, they all should have been killed, but they were just expelled from their homes. They provided help and Intel to the enemy, which if had prevailed Madina, would have killed everyone there.
And Izabella of Spain did the same to Muslims and Jews. So, you see?

True. The Jews owe their lives to Muslims. Instead...

 

[Placemat]

Jews were never forced out of anywhere other than Medina. Even today you will find sizable Jewish communities in many Arab counteries.

So my thing is correct a historical thing were Jews were forced out by accepting israel and live peacefully. Is that an option? I don't think Pak or Iranians can answer this. It has to be only Arabs who are in a position to answer?

It was an act of war, and according to just laws, they all should have been killed, but they were just expelled from their homes. They provided help and Intel to the enemy, which if had prevailed Madina, would have killed everyone there.
And Izabella of Spain did the same to Muslims and Jews. So, you see?

So in this case both sides are justified in fighting each other. This is an out come of the political nature of Islam. and this issue was started only because Muhammad wanted to establish an empire.

 

[Hamza913]

it is a well known fact that Muhammad drove out the Jews from middle East as he was establishing Islam .

Not the Middle East, just Arabia. And that was after they persecuted Rasulullah (peace be upon him) and his followers for over a decade, before then trying to exterminate them completely. And it wasn't the Jews who went through this, it was every community in Arabia that was hostile towards the Muslims. Those that were amicable established good relations and eventually converted to Islam.

Isn't it fair that the Jews are given some sort of land of their own ?

Sure, but not in our land.

I don't think Pak or Iranians can answer this. It has to be only Arabs

Wrong, we're all part of the Muslim world and therefore we all hold a stake in this since they occupy our holy sites in Palestine.

 

[Cthulhu]

The Arab v.s. Israel wars were just cousins fighting with each other, We shouldn't have gotten ourselves in other peoples family affairs in the first place.

 

[Placemat]

Not the Middle East, just Arabia. And that was after they persecuted Rasulullah (peace be upon him) and his followers for over a decade, before then trying to exterminate them completely. And it wasn't the Jews who went through this, it was every community in Arabia that was hostile towards the Muslims. Those that were amicable established good relations and eventually converted to Islam.



Sure, but not in our land.



Wrong, we're all part of the Muslim world and therefore we all hold a stake in this since they occupy our holy sites in Palestine.

But Jerusalem and israel were sacred to both Jew and Christian before Islam right?
The Muslim community practises nation states when it suits them and Ummah at other times. One needs to be clear on this. If not then there will keep being conflicts. In this case israel and Arabs have conflict. Agreed it's sacred to Islam but it's only number 3. For Christianity and Judaism it's no. 1.
Don't you think?

Not the Middle East, just Arabia. And that was after they persecuted Rasulullah (peace be upon him) and his followers for over a decade, before then trying to exterminate them completely. And it wasn't the Jews who went through this, it was every community in Arabia that was hostile towards the Muslims. Those that were amicable established good relations and eventually converted to Islam.



Sure, but not in our land.



Wrong, we're all part of the Muslim world and therefore we all hold a stake in this since they occupy our holy sites in Palestine.

Also what you are saying is this. Muhammad started Islam movement and wanted to establish an empire. Jews pushed back and tried to stop it because they would lose power. Both actioms have happened manybtimes in history.
Then some of the Jews who agreed to Muhammad's way converted and that is ok because they surrendered. But those who did not surrender were chased out. Thus has also happened many times in history in different places. All this happened because Muhammad had military muscle. If all the above is justified then israel who is stronger now are also justified in getting back what they think is theirs.
Seems it has nothing to do with sacred and Islam. It's pure politics and the basic instinct of territorialism in living creatures.

 

[fitpOsitive]

So my thing is correct a historical thing were Jews were forced out by accepting israel and live peacefully. Is that an option? I don't think Pak or Iranians can answer this. It has to be only Arabs who are in a position to answer?


So in this case both sides are justified in fighting each other. This is an out come of the political nature of Islam. and this issue was started only because Muhammad wanted to establish an empire.

And Jews were given a fair chance to live with peace overthere. I mean it was just a wrong decision by Jews against an emerging power. But they were lucky that the other person was a Prophet, not Adolf Hitler.

 

[SubWater]

Only Morocc has tiny Jewish community of couple thousands (compare to hundreds thousands before). All other Arab countries weer cleansed of Jews.

Don't blame others for what Zionism movement responsible for.
that was Zionists who cleaned and forced Jews to immigrate not Muslims.

 

[Timur]

Meanwhile, the Arabs are drowning in war and blood day after day

thanks to their own hands.. if I, throw stones in the sky , some of them may hit me..

Saudis have no shame they completely became Zionists and American puppet

LOL became

as if they wern't before

 

[Hamza913]

But Jerusalem and israel were sacred to both Jew and Christian before Islam right?

There is no "before Islam". Our religion is the religion of humanity, it's just an extension of the age-old tradition of monotheism, which predates all religions alive today.

The Muslim community practises nation states when it suits them and Ummah at other times.

The ruling authority does, but most of the people are clear. We are Muslims and one Ummah.

In this case israel and Arabs have conflict.

No, Israel and Muslims have a conflict. Plenty of non-Arab Muslim countries hate Israel, don't recognise their legitimacy and have fought with them. For example, Pakistani pilots have shot down multiple Israeli aircraft during the Arab-Israeli wars (whilst losing none of our own).

Agreed it's sacred to Islam but it's only number 3. For Christianity and Judaism it's no. 1.

I don't care. It's still sacred to us and anyone who tries to cut us out of the deal will face the consequences.

Also what you are saying is this.

You're not in any position to tell me what I'm saying.

Muhammad started Islam movement and wanted to establish an empire.

No, he wanted to spread the haqq but the surrounding Arabs tried to silence him and his followers. So after more than a decade of oppression, he finally gave them a taste of their own medicine.

Jews pushed back and tried to stop it because they would lose power.

Not just the Jews, all the Arabs, even Rasulullah's (peace be upon him) own tribe did this.

Then some of the Jews who agreed to Muhammad's way converted and that is ok because they surrendered.

If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have messed with Muslims in the first place.

All this happened because Muhammad had military muscle.

And Allah's support.

If all the above is justified then israel who is stronger now are also justified in getting back what they think is theirs.

No. That's a pretty big leap with very little justification.

Seems it has nothing to do with sacred and Islam.

I don't care how it "seems" to you. You come from a background obsessed with lineages, and have no concept of a unified humanity.

 

[Placemat]

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There is no "before Islam". Our religion is the religion of humanity, it's just an extension of the age-old tradition of monotheism, which predates all religions alive today.



The ruling authority does, but most of the people are clear. We are Muslims and one Ummah.



No, Israel and Muslims have a conflict. Plenty of non-Arab Muslim countries hate Israel, don't recognise their legitimacy and have fought with them. For example, Pakistani pilots have shot down multiple Israeli aircraft during the Arab-Israeli wars (whilst losing none of our own).



I don't care. It's still sacred to us and anyone who tries to cut us out of the deal will face the consequences.



You're not in any position to tell me what I'm saying.



No, he wanted to spread the haqq but the surrounding Arabs tried to silence him and his followers. So after more than a decade of oppression, he finally gave them a taste of their own medicine.



Not just the Jews, all the Arabs, even Rasulullah's (peace be upon him) own tribe did this.



If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have messed with Muslims in the first place.



And Allah's support.



No. That's a pretty big leap with very little justification.



I don't care how it "seems" to you. You come from a background obsessed with lineages, and have no concept of a unified humanity.

Look.. some of your posts above are personal apart from having little justification and that's not what I intend this to be.
To some posts above I could turn back say exactly the same thing with appropriate replacement but it descend to a trollfest.
I have not got my answers from you but will wait for more knowledgeable posters who want to discuss.