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The American
Dream Is
Alive. In China.

By JAVIER C. HERNÁNDEZ and QUOCTRUNG BUI NOV. 18, 2018

China is still much poorer over all than the United States. But the Chinese have taken a commanding lead in that most intangible but valuable of economic indicators: optimism.

In a country still haunted by the Cultural Revolution, where politics are tightly circumscribed by an authoritarian state, the Chinese are now among the most optimistic people in the world — much more so than Americans and Europeans, according to public opinion surveys.

What has changed?

Most of all, an economic expansion without precedent in modern history.

Eight hundred million people have risen out of poverty. That’s two and a half times the population of the United States.

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Not only are incomes drastically rising within families, but sons are outearning their fathers. That means expectations are rising, too, especially among China’s growing middle class.

Life expectancy has also soared. Chinese men born in 2013 are expected to live more than seven years longer than those born in 1990; women are expected to live nearly 10 years longer.

“It feels like there are no limits to how far you can go,” said Wu Haifeng, 37, a financial analyst who was born to a family of corn farmers in northern China and now earns more than $78,000 a year. “It feels like China will always be strong.”

China used to make up much of the world’s poor. Now it makes up much of the world’s middle class.

There are risks, of course, and no guarantees that China’s rise will continue indefinitely.

A prolonged economic slump could inflict major damage. And experts warn that China could fall into the middle-income trap — in which growth and earnings plateau — if it fails to address high corporate debt levels or doesn’t do more to encourage innovation. Demography is also a ticking bomb: China is racing to get rich before it gets old.

Yet for now, the economic arc seems ever upward.

Like the United States, China still has a yawning gap between the rich and the poor — and the poorest Chinese are far poorer, with nearly 500 million people, or about 40 percent of the population, living on less than $5.50 a day, according to the World Bank.

But by some measures Chinese society is now the more equal of the two countries. Here are the world’s major countries ordered by inequality and income mobility:

Today, the economic output per capita in China is $12,000, compared with $3,500 a decade ago. The number is far higher in the United States, $53,000.

China’s progress is especially remarkable given how the government has used social engineering to restrict where people live and how many children they have. Loosening those constraints could accelerate income growth.

This is why many people now talk about “the Chinese Dream.”

Xu Liya, 49, once tilled wheat fields in Zhejiang, a rural province along China’s east coast. Her family ate meat only once a week, and each night she crammed into a bedroom with seven relatives.

Then she attended university on a scholarship and started a clothing store. Now she owns two cars and an apartment valued at more than $300,000. Her daughter attends college in Beijing.

“Poverty and corruption have hurt average people in China for too long,” she said. “While today’s society isn’t perfect, poor people have the resources to compete with rich people, too.”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-social-mobility.html
 
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China is still much poorer over all than the United States. But the Chinese have taken a commanding lead in that most intangible but valuable of economic indicators: optimism.

In a country still haunted by the Cultural Revolution, where politics are tightly circumscribed by an authoritarian state, the Chinese are now among the most optimistic people in the world — much more so than Americans and Europeans, according to public opinion surveys.

Developing countries tend to be more optimistic of the future because there's still lots of room for improvement and greater potential for economic growth. For that matter, the Indians are the most optimistic in this forum.
 
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Well when you are at rock bottom and can finally see some light at the end of the tunnel you certainly will have a higher level of optimism. Most people in the US who claim to be poor don’t even know what real poverty is. They think poor means not being able to afford $200 Nike sneakers...so they cry at how unfair their life is.
 
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The article is not about optimism, it's about young people in China today have a better chance to improve their lives than their counterparts in US.

Of course! Most people in the US weren’t born in extreme poverty. So pulling yourself out of extreme poverty and “making it” is always going to be better than going from “making it” to “making it substantially more than your parents”.

Going from a shack to a modern apartment is more of a jump than going from a 1952 era 1400sq foot cape to a 3800sq foot new home.
 
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Of course! Most people in the US weren’t born in extreme poverty. So pulling yourself out of poverty and “making it” is always going to be better than going from “making it” to “making it substantially more than your parents”.

Going from a shack to a modern apartment is more of a jump than going from a 1952 era 1400sq foot cape to a 3800sq foot new home.
The highlighted pretty much describe most of the world.

This...

https://gizmodo.com/these-surreal-photos-of-hong-kongs-aging-towers-arent-483852763

...Is what they aspired to. This is the Chinese dream. Probably each apartment is market valued more than my 3000 sq/ft house, but hardly desirable. :rolleyes:

https://www.scmp.com/property/hong-...ices-hong-kong-rose-18-cent-last-quarter-says

The average price of used homes in Hong Kong rose 4.2 per cent to a record of HK$8.08 million (US$1.28 million) in the first quarter, extending a trend for four straight quarters, according to data from Ricacorp Properties on Wednesday.

I bought my house at $175k. It is 1500 sq/ft up and 1500 sq/ft basement. Three bedrooms, two baths up, one bedroom, one bath in basement. Market value is about $275k, making me technically 'poorer' than the average Hong Kong apartment dweller. :lol:
 
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Of course! Most people in the US weren’t born in extreme poverty. So pulling yourself out of extreme poverty and “making it” is always going to be better than going from “making it” to “making it substantially more than your parents”.

Going from a shack to a modern apartment is more of a jump than going from a 1952 era 1400sq foot cape to a 3800sq foot new home.
You can say so, now the families one was born to is no longer important for deciding one's future, China develops so fast, even you have nothing as long as you work and strive you could be a millionaire even bilionaire in a relatively short time, China has so many startups and makes more new millionaires than any other countries, that's exactly what US was like when it first started the fast development.
 
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I mean China, not you. Was nepotism a long tradition or something recent.
It's not what you know, it's who you know is an English expression, it happens everywhere, that's why you see Bush dynasty in US politics. Many US politicians have strong family background.
 
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You can say so, now the families one was born to is no longer important for deciding one's future, China develops so fast, even you have nothing as long as you work and strive you could be a millionaire even bilionaire in a relatively short time, China has so many startups and makes more new millionaires than any other countries, that's exactly what US was like when it first started the fast development.

You actually echoing @Hamartia Antidote point and you don't know it.

The question is not "Who has better chance" to improve their live, but simply there are not much room for improvement in the US as they aren't just developed.

There are more Chinese start up making millionaires in China, but then being a mere "Millionaire" is not an major milestone in the US, mind you, Million Yuan is only around half a millions US Dollars. And basically, people have parent that have been working would inherit their millions easily, now, how you deal with your money is another problem.

Many people in the US is like me, I was born in a Upper Middle Class, when my parent have a ranch, 2 house in the US and 2 Apartments in Hong Kong and 1 house in China. In fact, if I counted my asset now, I am going down in term of "value" because I don't take my folks money, and I earn around 100K AUD (~500,000 Yuan) a year before benefits, own a house I got for A$750000. And to me, it was a step down, and my life was not improved at all. But then I wouldn't say our living condition is worse than China....
 
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It's not what you know, it's who you know is an English expression, it happens everywhere, that's why you see Bush dynasty in US politics. Many US politicians have strong family background.

That isn't beyond comprehension and not necessarily nepotism (since you need to be elected by the people not simply appointed). if your dad is a doctor and likes it...chances are you'll be a doctor.
 
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You actually echoing @Hamartia Antidote point and you don't know it.

The question is not "Who has better chance" to improve their live, but simply there are not much room for improvement in the US as they aren't just developed.

There are more Chinese start up making millionaires in China, but then being a mere "Millionaire" is not an major milestone in the US, mind you, Million Yuan is only around half a millions US Dollars. And basically, people have parent that have been working would inherit their millions easily, now, how you deal with your money is another problem.

Many people in the US is like me, I was born in a Upper Middle Class, when my parent have a ranch, 2 house in the US and 2 Apartments in Hong Kong and 1 house in China. In fact, if I counted my asset now, I am going down in term of "value" because I don't take my folks money, and I earn around 100K AUD (~500,000 Yuan) a year before benefits, own a house I got for A$750000. And to me, it was a step down, and my life was not improved at all. But then I wouldn't say our living condition is worse than China....
Where did I say wrong about his comment? Today's China was like yesterday's US , today's US is more like yesterday's UK, already at its peak.
 
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