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2 advisory boards on aviation, mining and coal formed
Friday, March 15, 2013

ISLAMABAD: The Board of Investment (BoI) Executive Committee on Thursday constituted an advisory board on aviation, and mining and a separate advisory board on coal with provincial representation. The purpose of the constitution of the advisory boards was to update the existing policies to the new challenges and future needs so that these sectors could be made engine of economic growth in years to come.

Finance Minister and BoI Chairman Senator Saleem H Mandviwalla headed the 2nd meeting of BoI’s Executive Committee.

All agenda items of the meeting were approved by the committee with complete consensus. The committee approved the creation of sector advisory board for aviation and Captain Aijaz Ali Faizi was nominated to jointly head it.

It was also decided that the advisory board on mining may also be constituted and Asian Energy Ventures Karachi Managing Partner M Waqas Mohsin to jointly head the energy sector.

It was also proposed to nominate the DGs from provinces from mining industry to be nominated in the advisory board for the representation of the government sector.

The executive committee jointly presented a request to the finance minister to constitute a separate advisory board on coal with the members from each province. The finance minister approved the request. staff report

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PSO, Engro sign MoU for Thar coal project
Wednesday, April 03, 2013

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KARACHI: The Pakistan State Oil (PSO) has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Engro Powergen Limited (EPL) to review the technical and economical feasibility of the Thar coal project. The MoU was signed between PSO CEO and MD Naeem Yahya Mir and Engro Corporation Limited President and CEO Muhammad Ali Ansari, according to statement issued by PSO on Tuesday.

This MoU has been signed keeping in view the fact that as coal is comparatively cheaper and easily available in comparison to other fuel sources, it has become the fuel of choice for developed nations across the world. Therefore, with an aim of responsibly providing for the rising energy needs of the country, PSO is exploring multiple investment opportunities in the energy sector with special emphasis on Thar Coal and intends to acquire 50 percent of EPL shares in Sindh Engro Coal Mining Company (SECMC) as part of this plan, statement stated.

Speaking after the event, Mir said, “Through this MoU, two companies have combined their synergies to develop a self-reliant energy supply chain for the country. Indigenous fuel is our future and with the support and backing of the Sindh government we are taking steps to meet Pakistan’s energy needs in the years to come.”

Echoing his sentiments, Ansari said, “This is a momentous occasion as both companies have joined hands for a project of national interest and one which will provide for the energy security of the next generation.” In his speech after the signing ceremony, Sindh Board of Investment Chairman Zubair Motiwalla stated, “The government of Sindh has been working tirelessly to meet the rising energy needs of the population and the decision to purchase 51 percent.”

Both PSO and Engro are in agreement that coal is the best possible indigenous fossil fuel resource for Pakistan and has the potential to address the country’s severe power shortage and bring energy security to the country. Through this project, not only will the energy chain be strengthened it will also generate extensive economic activity nationwide while developing Pakistan’s human capital through the execution and operation of state-of-the-art coal mining and coal-based power generation projects. Additionally by playing a lead role in developing this national resource, both companies will be able to strengthen their financial bottom line and expand further through downstream commercial projects based on Thar Coal. Both companies are of the opinion that this MoU will serve as the foundation for a mutually beneficial partnership, which will result in extensive benefits for future progress and prosperity of Pakistan, according to the statement. staff report

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Well According to this situation, all Pakistan need is only Plants of Coal Converter into Electricity. Why not we do this....

Because it is not easy and not cost-effective.

To use low grade Thar coal as a power source for thermal power plants requires a large investment in mining and transporting vast quantities of material.
 
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Total World Electricity Generation by Fuel (2009)

Source: IEA 2011

*Other includes solar, wind, combustible renewables, geothermal & waste

Modern life is unimaginable without electricity. It lights houses, buildings, streets, provides domestic and industrial heat, and powers most equipment used in homes, offices and machinery in factories. Improving access to electricity worldwide is critical to alleviating poverty.

Coal plays a vital role in electricity generation worldwide. Coal-fired power plants currently fuel 41% of global electricity. In some countries, coal fuels a higher percentage of electricity.

Coal in Electricity Generation
South Africa 93%
Poland 87%
PR China 79%
Australia 78%
Kazakhstan 75%
India 68%
Israel 58%
Czech Rep 51%
Morocco 51%
Greece 54%
USA 45%
Germany 41%

Source: IEA 2012

How is Coal Converted to Electricity?

Steam coal, also known as thermal coal, is used in power stations to generate electricity.

Coal is first milled to a fine powder, which increases the surface area and allows it to burn more quickly. In these pulverised coal combustion (PCC) systems, the powdered coal is blown into the combustion chamber of a boiler where it is burnt at high temperature. The hot gases and heat energy produced converts water – in tubes lining the boiler – into steam.


The high pressure steam is passed into a turbine containing thousands of propeller-like blades. The steam pushes these blades causing the turbine shaft to rotate at high speed. A generator is mounted at one end of the turbine shaft and consists of carefully wound wire coils. Electricity is generated when these are rapidly rotated in a strong magnetic field. After passing through the turbine, the steam is condensed and returned to the boiler to be heated once again.

The electricity generated is transformed into the higher voltages (up to 400,000 volts) used for economic, efficient transmission via power line grids. When it nears the point of consumption, such as our homes, the electricity is transformed down to the safer 100-250 voltage systems used in the domestic market.

Efficiency Improvements
Improvements continue to be made in conventional PCC power station design and new combustion technologies are being developed. These allow more electricity to be produced from less coal - known as improving the thermal efficiency of the power station. Efficiency gains in electricity generation from coal-fired power stations will play a crucial part in reducing CO2 emissions at a global level.

Efficiency improvements include the most cost-effective and shortest lead time actions for reducing emissions from coal-fired power generation. This is particularly the case in developing countries where existing power plant efficiencies are generally lower and coal use in electricity generation is increasing. Not only do higher efficiency coal-fired power plants emit less carbon dioxide per megawatt (MW), they are also more suited to retrofitting with CO2 capture systems.

Improving the efficiency of pulverised coal-fired power plants has been the focus of considerable efforts by the coal industry. There is huge scope for achieving significant efficiency improvements as the existing fleet of power plants are replaced over the next 10-20 years with new, higher efficiency supercritical and ultra-supercritical plants and through the wider use of Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle (IGCC) systems for power generation.

A one percentage point improvement in the efficiency of a conventional pulverised coal combustion plant results in a 2-3% reduction in CO2 emissions.


where do we stand...? all talk.....no action.....
 
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First an article on Thar Coal.


Rescuing Thar coal


Syed Mohibullah Shah
Wednesday, June 12, 2013
From Print Edition

Even as Pakistan's energy woes worsened - causing industries to shutdown, piling miseries upon people - the cheap and abundant solution to its energy problems languished and seemed lost in the wilderness. Many years and billions of rupees down the road, neither has a single ton of coal been mined from the much talked about Thar coalfields nor a single bulb been powered from one of the largest energy sources in the world.

Why such a state of affairs has persisted for so many years has puzzled everybody with no satisfactory explanation coming forth. A simple power-generation project, using time-tested technology, saw its technical and financial end within 18 months of its marketing in 1996. For the last ten years, however, coal-based power generation from Thar coalfields has been marred by confusion and conflicting interests making its ultimate takeoff even more difficult than before.

Before more problems emerge, the Thar coalfields need to be rescued from inertia and measures taken so that affordable and abundant power can be produced for the energy-starved Pakistan.

The country has been suffering from power outages for many years but a crisis-like situation has persisted during the last five. Endless loadshedding has disrupted the lives of millions of people, strangulating the economy, forcing the rupee to lose 40 percent value in five years as our reliance on back-breaking foreign energy sources increased.

The worst energy crisis witnessed during the last five years not only inflicted immense suffering upon the people and the economy, but it also played an important role in bringing down the government and practically wiping out the largest political party from most of the country. The former government paid this price, even though the solution to the problem was staring them right in the face, in the shape of the Thar coalfields from which cheap and abundant power could have started coming on stream within three years!

It is a sad state of affairs especially for a leadership whose own leader Benazir Bhutto, laid the foundation stone of the Thar coal power project at Keti Bandar in 1996 and whose details and documentation were also available for a quick update to deliver on that promise.

Nevertheless, the permanent solution to our national energy crisis lies nowhere else but in Thar coal. One example may suffice to illustrate this. If Pakistan produces 100,000 MWs of power from Thar coal and keeps producing this amount for the next 100 years, it would have consumed only one-fourth of the coal reserves at Thar! Compare that with our total installed capacity today – from all sources of power generation of less than 20,000 MWs.

Three things are essential if Thar coal is to deliver its potential. First, let us not reinvent the wheel. Coal-based power generation is simple, time-tested, labour intensive and intermediate technology used all over the world for over 150 years (now with reduced carbon emissions). There is no need to keep experimenting with fancy ideas and no need to move away from direct conversion of coal into electricity.

Second, we should design and market the Thar coal power project worldwide, for direct investment by genuine and reputed private power producers and not be taken in by fly-by-night operators. Our mountain of public debt should put an end to any wishful thinking of spending more public funds on this account.

Third, like too many cooks spoiling the broth, the Thar coal power generation has suffered from pulling and pushing by several clueless cooks who have gatecrashed the kitchen to look after their own interests. A lot of time and resources have gone into secondary and tertiary works, while the core issue of mining coal and generating power from it has been pushed to the back-burner.

If such a course of events is followed, the first 1000 MWs of coal-based power would come on stream within three years of signing. Thereafter, another 1000-1500 MWs would continue to be added every 18 months to balance the demand and supply position and then go on to meet any rising demand for as long as the nation needs.

For immediate relief from massive loadshedding, it is good to pay-off the backlog of circular debt to get the wheels moving again. Simultaneously, tough reforms are needed to cut down massive power thefts continued under various euphemistic labels to reduce the gap between installed capacity and what is delivered to the consumers.

But the circular debt is merely a symptom – one of the several – not the cause of persistent power outages which lies deeply embedded in our unaffordable energy paradigm. Because of an irrational energy mix, the electricity rates in our country are already among the highest charged anywhere in the world. And matter of circular debt will keep coming up until the energy mix in the country is rationalised by letting coal contribute to more than 50 percent of power generation – like many other countries – to provide affordable energy to the people of a low income country like Pakistan.

Unexplained delays and failure to generate power from the Thar coalfields for several years have raised concerns in the minds of some people, who have often questioned why power generation from these reserves is not coming on stream even when the nation has been passing through its worst energy crisis for several years.

Various excuses have been given to cover up the real causes of failure that need to be put in proper perspective:

• Thar coal reserves are not large enough to build high hopes on it.

Wrong. The GSP report – with technical assistance from the US Geological Survey – of 175 billion tons is more credible than any individual guesstimates.

• Thar coal has higher sulphur content, therefore, it is not fit for power generation.

Wrong again. Several countries – including China, India and even the US have been using coal with much higher sulphur content for power generation for decades.

• Thar coal has high water content, which makes it unfit for power generation.

Wrong. The 40 percent water content in Thar coal is, in fact, a blessing in disguise for the people living in the Thar Desert. I have visited several power plants run on coal in other countries, where the water content in the coal is extracted, filtered and used for human consumption and agricultural purposes.

All of which further highlight the national urgency of generating coal-based power. There is nothing wrong with Thar coal and it can generate cheap, abundant and affordable power for Pakistan for the next 400 years. All it needs is a rescue in the shape of an independent Thar coal energy board to start delivering on its great potential for Pakistan.

The writer, as head of BOI, helped develop the 5200MW Thar coal private investment power project at Keti Bandar.Email: smshah@alum.mit.edu


Rescuing Thar coal - Syed Mohibullah Shah


The author is correct in all of his statements. For example per 2010 figures power generation structure of Germany was:

42.4% from coal (of which 23.7% was from lignite and 18.7 % from hard coal), 22.6 % from nuclear, 13.6 % from natural gas, 16.5 % from renewable energy sources and 4.9% from other sources.

Thus lignite is a good fuel for power generation. However the author deliberately ignored to mention what is required before lignite can be used as power source. First you need to invest in huge open pit mining operation to extract lignite. Secondly, before any industrial use, lignite must be dried. Nature has given lignite very high moisture content which is bound by capillaries. This stored moisture aggravates lignite combustion. In view of the high moisture content, drying is an energy-intensive process. One of the latest methods involves pre-drying lignite in a fluidized bed drying process using hot flue gasses from the power plant. The moisture can be condensed to make potable water.

Even a small drying plant based at the power plant itself will add about $50 to $60-million to the cost of the power plant. Let us not ignore the investment in the power plant itself. With FDI dried up, most of the investment has to be financed from the state funds.

Every sane & rational person would like to see Thar coal utilised for the benefit of the people and the country, however, this requires lot of investment & would take a minimum of 2 to 3 years. I find it irritating when highly educated and knowledgeable persons only mention partial truth to prove their point. I call it intellectual dishonesty.
 
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Every sane & rational person would like to see Thar coal utilised for the benefit of the people and the country, however, this requires lot of investment & would a minimum of 2 to 3 years. I find it irritating when highly educated and knowledgeable persons only mention partial truth to prove their point. I call it intellectual dishonesty.

In the end, it is not impossible but difficult...right sir?

Can we expect foreign investors to get some confidence a year or so down the line? Maybe the Saudi friends can help Mr Nawaz Sharif?
 
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In the end, it is not impossible but difficult...right sir?

Can we expect foreign investors to get some confidence a year or so down the line? Maybe the Saudi friends can help Mr Nawaz Sharif?

Nothing is impossible.

It will take a lot of money and effort to utilize Thar coal, given its many limitations. Large scale open pit mining, transportation to power generation plants, preparation of the fuel, and dealing with the environmental issues including sulfur, ash and acid rain, are all issues that can be solved. It will take a properly managed program to achieve, but the real question is whether we can do it.

Of course, after all that, the power produced has to be affordable by the consumers given the many other choices that will compete as energy sources.
 
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This thread was started 4 yrs ago , no action yet but people seem to still be hopeful.
 
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Nothing is impossible.

It will take a lot of money and effort to utilize Thar coal, given its many limitations. Large scale open pit mining, transportation to power generation plants, preparation of the fuel, and dealing with the environmental issues including sulfur, ash and acid rain, are all issues that can be solved. It will take a properly managed program to achieve, but the real question is whether we can do it.

Of course, after all that, the power produced has to be affordable by the consumers given the many other choices that will compete as energy sources.

After all, other countries are also doing it and open pit mining isn't a new concept, nor is drying of coal or any of the associated processes.

The current state machinery though, such as Railways is in a dire condition, the FDI is not all that great...but in a couple of years time, this does seem a viable project considering Nawaz Sharif lives up to the hype.
 
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After all, other countries are also doing it and open pit mining isn't a new concept, nor is drying of coal or any of the associated processes.

The current state machinery though, such as Railways is in a dire condition, the FDI is not all that great...but in a couple of years time, this does seem a viable project considering Nawaz Sharif lives up to the hype.

The viability is not a given. Please read this line I posted again earlier:


Of course, after all that, the power produced has to be affordable by the consumers given the many other choices that will compete as energy sources.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...ves-discovered-pakistan-18.html#ixzz2W0HklcxC
 
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Lignite is in plentiful supply in most countries meaning that poor countries have access to it too. Therefore for emerging nations like China, India and Brazil and also for Pakistan, there is really no other alternative.

Arguments for and against lignite have been raging in Germany for decades. Nevertheless in 2010, there were 22 coal or lignite based power plants currently under construction or in detailed planning in Germany, due to start up in the period 2010 -2015. These plants will have a combined capacity of 24,800 MW and emit almost 150 Million tonnes CO2 per year which would be very bad for the global warming. However when it comes to electricity requirement, green lobby always loses out.

Leaving hydroelectric generation aside, Pakistanis do not have sufficient indigenous gas or oil to produce electricity. Thus we must depend upon imported fuel, either LNG or furnace oil or upon nuclear power and other non-conventional sources.

I keep reading a lot about non-conventional sources by people who have little or zero knowledge of power production. By all means go for all non-conventional & renewable sources but remember that solar power only works in daylight, when wind is not blowing windmill will not produce electricity. Therefore for uninterrupted electric supply, base load must be from normal conventional sources such as hydroelectric, nuclear or fossil fuels.

Currently Pakistan is spending about $12-$14-billion annually on crude & products import that is 50% of total export target. Even if the economy grows at a modest 5% per annum; in the absence of any new discoveries of oil & gas structures, we could be spending almost 80% of our total foreign exchange earnings on importation of oil & gas. This does not leave much for other essential imports. Are we prepared to accept such a scenario?

Most new coal/lignite fire plants would base on pulverised coal to produce steam which is an efficient system. Basically raw coal is crushed into fine particles in the coal before being injected into the furnace. Flue gases with a temperature of up to 1,450 °C from the pulverized fuel being burnt generate high-pressure and high-temperature steam. The superheated steam (about 550 deg C) is directed into a turbine which turns the turbine shaft connected to the electricity generator. Additionally, to be fair to future Pakistani generations, we must include removal of Nitrogen oxides, flue gas desulphurization system, and electrostatic precipitators in the new power plant.

As a very rough guide about 30 to 35% of the fuel cost makes up the total production cost of electric generation, rest being manpower, plant maintenance & depreciation. A pulverised coal fired steam plan may not be as efficient as gas fired combined cycle plant, but since local resource would be used as fuel;it would save a lot of foreign exchange.

Per the oil Minister’s statement, power from imported coal would cost about Rs 8/- per unit, Thar coal being available locally should provide even cheaper power. Additionally there is security of supply as importation cannot be disrupted during the period of hostilities.

Personally I am all for the Thar coal development. My earlier post was only meant to highlight the fact that a lot of writers only reveal part truth to make their point. In my view there is no need for this deception. Pakistan needs to produce electricity & as soon as possible. Pakistani public must be made aware that life sucks and if you want electricity, you need funds to build the plant and the consuming public has to pay for it thru taxation.

Internationally, a coal fired plant costs about $3000 per KW. Thus a 500 MW (500,000 KW) would cost about $1.5-billion. However in the Pakistani scenario manpower & labour costs are a lot less, nevertheless a 500 MW plant should still cost close to $1-billion and would take about 18 months to 2 years to complete.
 
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