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Thanks to "Democracy, Pakistan's foreign debt to reach 100 Billion USD

US debt 21 trillion, china debt 30 trillion..
US national debt is $21 trillion and total debt is $70 trillion, China's national debt is $5 trillion and total debt is $30 trillion (China's infrastructure debt was mainly put onto state own companies, separate from national debt).

Without borrowing money/using credit what are the other methods for developing basic infrastructure like rail, energy, and roads in this lifetime? I get that debt is painful to look at and burdens of large projects are scary. China had the same debate in the early 2000s when it was preparing to expand its very limited national highway system and rail network. Many people were in fact very against taking on large debt to build highways and especially highspeed rail, people thought China didn't need it but few short years later, more highways and railways were needed even the highly criticised high-speed rail. During that time China was at the same per capita GDP level of Pakistan today. The economy grew after better roads opened new opportunities. Had China not built it, it wouldn't have grown as rapidly as it did today. Currently each year China spends about $100 billion on railways, $230 billion on roads, and $20 billion on airports. People realise now that if you never take a bold step to build a strong infrastructural foundation the nation can never have strong future growth, there is no other way if development is desired (unless someone has a better solution). Unlike in Pakistan many of China's transport infrastructure projects in mountainous Southern China are notoriously expensive to build due to terrain, needing to build large lengths of viaducts and tunnels. Pakistan's population centres are blessed with a relatively flat plain connecting them.

The important thing to note about debt is the ability to cover the debt (your new assets are also income generating in addition to a multiplier effect on the economy) and the debt to asset ratio. Spending it on infrastructure is worth while when its needed, you get tangible assets. I think transport and energy infrastructure developments are quite important for Pakistan's overall development, a must actually. It is not like borrowing money for a shopping spree, it is investing in the future. The highest return infrastructure projects (for society) Pakistan is taking on right now is energy as it solves immediate problems, debt for that is definitely worth while in my opinion.

33 billion rupee interest for 922 billion rupee loan is quite low actually, looks like a rate a developed country would receive.
 
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US national debt is $21 trillion and total debt is $70 trillion, China's national debt is $5 trillion and total debt is $30 trillion

US total debt is $(USdollar) 70 trillion. Guess who prints US dollars. Similarly China's total external debt is only around USD 1 trillion. Its forex reserves is close to USD 3T
 
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It was 11 Billion USD at the end of General Zia era in 1988 (23 Billion Dollars in today's money after compensating for inflation). General Zia took only 5 Billion Dollars of foreign debt in his 10 years of government, despite the country being engaged in Afghan war and taking care of over 3 million refugees. He also kept prices low.

30 Billion Dollars in 2008 at the end of Musharraf era (34 Billion in Today's money after compensating for inflation).

34 Billion USD at the end of Zardari era in 2013. However the country saw the highest price rise in history during Zardari regime as the prices of basic necessities shot up five folds during those 5 years. Fact remains that Field Marshal Ayub Khan's era was the only period in Pakistan's history when the country saw deflation instead of inflation and prices decreased instead on increasing.

From 2013 to now 2018 the country has taken the largest sums of foreign debts in it's history. Nawaz era has seen Pakistan's foreign debts rise another 60 Billion USD to a total of 90 Billion USd and rising to reach 100 Billion USD.

One question. why Debt of Punjab govt. is listed in the federal Debt. and the Orange Line Project was of Punjab govt. not federal govt..
 
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US national debt is $21 trillion and total debt is $70 trillion, China's national debt is $5 trillion and total debt is $30 trillion (China's infrastructure debt was mainly put onto state own companies, separate from national debt).

Without borrowing money/using credit what are the other methods for developing basic infrastructure like rail, energy, and roads in this lifetime? I get that debt is painful to look at and burdens of large projects are scary. China had the same debate in the early 2000s when it was preparing to expand its very limited national highway system and rail network. Many people were in fact very against taking on large debt to build highways and especially highspeed rail, people thought China didn't need it but few short years later, more highways and railways were needed even the highly criticised high-speed rail. During that time China was at the same per capita GDP level of Pakistan today. The economy grew after better roads opened new opportunities. Had China not built it, it wouldn't have grown as rapidly as it did today. Currently each year China spends about $100 billion on railways, $230 billion on roads, and $20 billion on airports. People realise now that if you never take a bold step to build a strong infrastructural foundation the nation can never have strong future growth, there is no other way if development is desired (unless someone has a better solution). Unlike in Pakistan many of China's transport infrastructure projects in mountainous Southern China are notoriously expensive to build due to terrain, needing to build large lengths of viaducts and tunnels. Pakistan's population centres are blessed with a relatively flat plain connecting them.

The important thing to note about debt is the ability to cover the debt (your new assets are also income generating in addition to a multiplier effect on the economy) and the debt to asset ratio. Spending it on infrastructure is worth while when its needed, you get tangible assets. I think transport and energy infrastructure developments are quite important for Pakistan's overall development, a must actually. It is not like borrowing money for a shopping spree, it is investing in the future. The highest return infrastructure projects (for society) Pakistan is taking on right now is energy as it solves immediate problems, debt for that is definitely worth while in my opinion.

33 billion rupee interest for 922 billion rupee loan is quite low actually, looks like a rate a developed country would receive.
Where is the hidden secrat of US and china ?
Here is this:
Both working to get more resources, minerals around the world.. Dollars or any other currency depands on holding the minerals Gold,Oil, Gas, lithium etc.
And yes i agree whatever you said is secondary.

For me US & China are Gog Magog.. :lol:

India & pakistan both are full of pseudointellectual..
 
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One question. why Debt of Punjab govt. is listed in the federal Debt. and the Orange Line Project was of Punjab govt. not federal govt..
Provinces are now capable of arranging own debts and financial agreements. The so called 18th amendment. However even when provinces take foreign loans, the federal government is ultimately responsible without having much say on Provincial finances. A gift from Zardari era. Enjoy.
 
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Well Dictatorship got Pakistan addicted to handouts from USA, Saudis and allies, it's for Pakistanis to judge which one was better.
 
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India owes how much?

69% of its GDP.
Pays 25% of its national revenue towards debt service.
Owes 500 billion to IMF/WB/ADB
155 billion trade imbalance in the last 12 months...(importing more than exporting)
3.5 % of current account deficit.

This is under Modi, the Ayatollah of Bharat mata.
 
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honestly 100 billion of debt itself is not a worrysome figure really, problem is economy which is not performing well to service these loans
well Pakistan Takes loan to service Loan repayments. so they are into circular debt from some time and remain so for coming next decade.
Don't worry guys you are Nuclear power-Islamic Muwalik(something like this)
 
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Owes 500 billion to IMF/WB/ADB
Bull shit...

US debt 21 trillion, china debt 30 trillion..

You have to be a smart debater with other nations too.. chindi nation or IMF k paas jany sy kaam nhi banay ga.:lol:
USA debt owned by foreigners is only $6.2 billion only... Also the demand for US debt bonds are still very high... If China will sell its US debt holdings, there are many here to buy it including US citizens...
China's external debt is only $1.4 billion... They also have no pressure on them.. Because these are also willfully held by the others...
Pakistan's case is not this... They are facing the problem of default... Do any demand is there for Pakistan debt bonds??? For making demand, you should have to offer more interests... That again increase the debt burden... Then the loans taken from various institutions...
 
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Bull shit...


USA debt owned by foreigners is only $6.2 billion only... Also the demand for US debt bonds are still very high... If China will sell its US debt holdings, there are many here to buy it including US citizens...
China's external debt is only $1.4 billion... They also have no pressure on them.. Because these are also willfully held by the others...
Pakistan's case is not this... They are facing the problem of default... Do any demand is there for Pakistan debt bonds??? For making demand, you should have to offer more interests... That again increase the debt burden... Then the loans taken from various institutions...
read my comment number 20..:angry:
 
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