TF-X Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Constantin84]

BAE System is hiring Engineers for the detail engineering phase of the TF-X program.

https://baesystems.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobsearch.ftl?f=null&LOCATION=254205020436

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bae-system-is-hiring-engineers-for-the-tf-x-program.679997/

They're hiring because their best are allready engaged on the Tempest?

 

[SoftKill]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1292747978730541057

 

[Bismarck]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1292747978730541057

???

 

[Bismarck]

They're hiring because their best are allready engaged on the Tempest?

Does it mean you get the second best?

 

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[BON PLAN]

A few days ago CEO of TAI said that the first flight would be 2025. What are you guys drinking?

2025 is a little bit more serious than 2025.
But the harder to study, built and fine tune in a fighter is not the frame. It's the engine and mainly the weapon system.
It takes 10 years for a radar...

 

[BON PLAN]

@cabatli_53 ,this guy and @BON PLAN are only here for trolling,its time to end it dont you think?
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Why? because we don't agree with some wet dreams ?

 

[Figaro]

@cabatli_53 ,this guy and @BON PLAN are only here for trolling,its time to end it dont you think?

Why? because we don't agree with some wet dreams ?
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I have to agree with you ... I know Turkey has a pretty solid MIC but in aviation, it is still far behind that of France and the UK. The French and the UK have demonstrated their ability to procure top notch fighters for generations, with the most recent being the Rafael and Typhoon respectively. For Turkey just to entirely side step is going to be extremely difficult. For the TFX to succeed, it will undoubtedly have to use a lot of EU/American components, with the engine being just being the tip of the spear. Meanwhile, France and the UK have demonstrated the ability to build top notch gas turbines in the form of the M-88 and the EJ-200.

how about your 5th generation fighter? i smell jealousness here, Eu jet will not get prototype in 2030, when Turkey will own the jet with its own engine...

I highly doubt Turkey will have a domestic F-110-GE129 class engine by 2030. Just because it has access to the engine's technology does not mean it can build one from the ground up without licensing and TOT from GE.

 

[xbat]

i hope you guys are aware of TEI TS1500 turboshaft which is top notch its class too, so we basically reached the level satisfied maturity of metallurgy for turbine engines. the rest is a good design and i believe we can do it.

 

[Kamil_baku]

Why? because we don't agree with some wet dreams ?

I have to agree with you ... I know Turkey has a pretty solid MIC but in aviation, it is still far behind that of France and the UK. The French and the UK have demonstrated their ability to procure top notch fighters for generations, with the most recent being the Rafael and Typhoon respectively. For Turkey just to entirely side step is going to be extremely difficult. For the TFX to succeed, it will undoubtedly have to use a lot of EU/American components, with the engine being just being the tip of the spear. Meanwhile, France and the UK have demonstrated the ability to build top notch gas turbines in the form of the M-88 and the EJ-200.

I highly doubt Turkey will have a domestic F-110-GE129 class engine by 2030. Just because it has access to the engine's technology does not mean it can build one from the ground up without licensing and TOT from GE.
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nobody here think Turkey is better than them, dont try to make yourself look like smart ***. Turkey try to get their leaque and it does it one by one, first Turbojet engines that let Turkey make its own Cruise missiles, then helikopter engine. then UAV engine. Turkey has years of research on engine technology, now they want to make the final product by 2026-27, and mass produce by 2030.
if you make TS1500 type engine, you will be able to produce the rest.. its like Tank and SHip engine, the other one is bigger version of it

 

[Successwill]

2025 is a little bit more serious than 2025

Get a life dude

 

[Figaro]

I have to agree with you ... I know Turkey has a pretty solid MIC but in aviation, it is still far behind that of France and the UK. The French and the UK have demonstrated their ability to procure top notch fighters for generations, with the most recent being the Rafael and Typhoon respectively. For Turkey just to entirely side step is going to be extremely difficult. For the TFX to succeed, it will undoubtedly have to use a lot of EU/American components, with the engine being just being the tip of the spear. Meanwhile, France and the UK have demonstrated the ability to build top notch gas turbines in the form of the M-88 and the EJ-200.

I highly doubt Turkey will have a domestic F-110-GE129 class engine by 2030. Just because it has access to the engine's technology does not mean it can build one from the ground up without licensing and TOT from GE.

nobody here think Turkey is better than them, dont try to make yourself look like smart ***. Turkey try to get their leaque and it does it one by one, first Turbojet engines that let Turkey make its own Cruise missiles, then helikopter engine. then UAV engine. Turkey has years of research on engine technology, now they want to make the final product by 2026-27, and mass produce by 2030.
if you make TS1500 type engine, you will be able to produce the rest.. its like Tank and SHip engine, the other one is bigger version of it
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It is considerably more difficult making a turbofan engine for a jet fighter than it is to make a UAV turbojet or a cruise missile engine. This is a very simple observation. Tank engines are also difficult to make ... I doubt Turkey will be able to pull of their 1500 hp or 1800 hp engine and put them into mass production into the Altay anytime soon. Regarding a mass production of a F-110GE-129 class indigenous Turkish engine, that is a pipe dream. Of course, I say best of luck but time will tell. Unless Turkey has been actively pursing gas turbine design and maintenance and materials research for the past few decades, you cannot say it has decades of experience in this field.

 

[SgtGungHo]

i hope you guys are aware of TEI TS1500 turboshaft which is top notch its class too, so we basically reached the level satisfied maturity of metallurgy for turbine engines. the rest is a good design and i believe we can do it.

It is TEI TS1400, not TS1500. Even then is questionable whether the turboshaft engine is actually usable & reliable as it has not even started a field test with an actual application for at least a year nor entered service for several years after mass-production. Also, technologies & engineering involved in F110-grade turbofan engine are much more complex and advanced than a turboshaft engine of output between 1400 shp ~ 1660 shp.

Remember, Turkey also hyped about indigenous tank powerpack, yet it has turned out they did not have any solution. People are right to be skeptical.

 

[Agha Sher]

It is TEI TS1400, not TS1500. Even then is questionable whether the turboshaft engine is actually usable & reliable as it has not even started a field test with an actual application for at least a year nor entered service for several years after mass-production. Also, technologies & engineering involved in F110-grade turbofan engine are much more complex and advanced than a turboshaft engine of output between 1400 shp ~ 1660 shp.

Remember, Turkey also hyped about indigenous tank powerpack, yet it has turned out they did not have any solution. People are right to be skeptical.

Indeed, people have a right to be sceptical, but you guys are butthurt.
TS1400 is in its final stage of ground-testing and will in the coming months start flight-testing. There is no doubt about its usability nor reliability. Stop making stuff up.

 

[SgtGungHo]

Indeed, people have a right to be sceptical, but you guys are butthurt.
TS1400 is in its final stage of ground-testing and will in the coming months start flight-testing. There is no doubt about its usability nor reliability. Stop making stuff up.

So it is true that the engine hasn't experienced a field (flight) test yet. The very reason an engine (or any engineered product) with an application is going through various testings after computer simulation & lab tests is because reliablity & usability of said product are still in doubt and are not established yet. Even then, an actual product may turn out to be a dud. You ought to know that instead of 'making stuff up'.

I don't care if you act immaturely and accuse all sort of things to people who doubt rather ambitous engine projects of Turkey on reasonable grounds, but I have to remind you that it doesn't change the fact that it is plain to the people who have no stake in this matter that anything Turkey has shown so far, even if we count engines that are still in development such as Altay engine & TS1400 a success, proves that Turkey is far from acquiring capabilities of developing any indigenious F110 grade turbofan engine within this decade.

However, I wish Turke good luck as I am interested in technological progress regardless.