TF-X Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Babur Han]

We could need front Line Bomber Variant of TF-X, than we have a proper Plattform for launching SOM-ER Variants with up to 1000 KM Range !

Imagine these Planes were turkish Bombers flying over moroccan Sahara or Yemen !

China Developing a Stealth Front-line Bomber | Defence blog

 

[xxxKULxxx]

I think i don't understand this engine issue...

TurAF wants twin engines' thrust value to be atleast 70.000...

Now i look at offers with afterburners...

EJ200 => 20.000 x 2 = 40.000
F414-GE-400 => 22.000 x 2 = 44.000
F110-GE-129 => 29.500 x 2 = 59.000
Snecma M88-4E => 17.000 x 2 = 34.000
Snecma M88-ECO => 20.250 x 2 = 40.500

Maybe in the following times

F110-GE-132 => 32.500 x 2 = 65.000
EJ-220 => 23.100 x 2 = 46.200
EJ-230 => 27.000 x 2 = 54.000

As you see all of them are under 70.000... Non of them meet requirements or did i make a mistake about calculating ?.. Can someone explain the issue pls ?..

 

[FutureMe]

I think i don't understand this engine issue...

TurAF wants twin engines' thrust value to be atleast 70.000...

Now i look at offers with afterburners...

EJ200 => 20.000 x 2 = 40.000
F414-GE-400 => 22.000 x 2 = 44.000
F110-GE-129 => 29.500 x 2 = 59.000
Snecma M88-4E => 17.000 x 2 = 34.000
Snecma M88-ECO => 20.250 x 2 = 40.500

Maybe in the following times

F110-GE-132 => 32.500 x 2 = 65.000
EJ-220 => 23.100 x 2 = 46.200
EJ-230 => 27.000 x 2 = 54.000

As you see all of them are under 70.000... Non of them meet requirements or did i make a mistake about calculating ?.. Can someone explain the issue pls ?..

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For one thing thrust value doesn't have to match mtow value.

 

[Hexciter]

Read it carefully
70000 lb as maximum take-off weight, not engine trust
FX1 at the same level maximum take-off wieght class with F-35
PW135 has the trust of 43000 lb
So power/weight ratio is 0.614
For F-22 its 2x35000 (F119) /80000=0.875
For that F-35 level power F414-GE-400 or EJ-220 sufficient
To get F-22 power you need 306525 lb powered dual engines like 2*F110
F110 or F119 engines which are large and heavy
For me EJ-230 (27000 lb) or F414 EPE (26000 lb) is better if you decrease weight class to 65000 lb or not

I think i don't understand this engine issue...

TurAF wants twin engines' thrust value to be atleast 70.000...

Now i look at offers with afterburners...

EJ200 => 20.000 x 2 = 40.000
F414-GE-400 => 22.000 x 2 = 44.000
F110-GE-129 => 29.500 x 2 = 59.000
Snecma M88-4E => 17.000 x 2 = 34.000
Snecma M88-ECO => 20.250 x 2 = 40.500

Maybe in the following times

F110-GE-132 => 32.500 x 2 = 65.000
EJ-220 => 23.100 x 2 = 46.200
EJ-230 => 27.000 x 2 = 54.000

As you see all of them are under 70.000... Non of them meet requirements or did i make a mistake about calculating ?.. Can someone explain the issue pls ?..

View attachment 212099

 

[Kamil_baku]

I think i don't understand this engine issue...

TurAF wants twin engines' thrust value to be atleast 70.000...

Now i look at offers with afterburners...

EJ200 => 20.000 x 2 = 40.000
F414-GE-400 => 22.000 x 2 = 44.000
F110-GE-129 => 29.500 x 2 = 59.000
Snecma M88-4E => 17.000 x 2 = 34.000
Snecma M88-ECO => 20.250 x 2 = 40.500

Maybe in the following times

F110-GE-132 => 32.500 x 2 = 65.000
EJ-220 => 23.100 x 2 = 46.200
EJ-230 => 27.000 x 2 = 54.000

As you see all of them are under 70.000... Non of them meet requirements or did i make a mistake about calculating ?.. Can someone explain the issue pls ?..

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70000 stands for the weight of whole aircraft, not the power of engines together. if this is what you are asking?

 

[xxxKULxxx]

@Hexciter @FutureMe @Kamil_baku

Tamam beyler vur dedik öldürdünüz...

So do you say all of these offers meets our requirements ?..

If it is not a big thing can you calculate and write MTOWs with these engines 1 by 1 for 31.751 kg of twin engined FX-1 ?..

 

[Kamil_baku]

@Hexciter @FutureMe @Kamil_baku

Tamam beyler vur dedik öldürdünüz...

So do you say all of these offers meets our requirements ?..

If it is not a big thing can you calculate and write MTOWs with these engines 1 by 1 for 31.751 kg of twin engined FX-1 ?..

To be honest, i strongly believe that, Turkey will choose F110 (129 or 132 versions) engine. As it was used by other arab nations and will not make any trouble to export it. Also, It is the only engine can make the Turkish jet be compatible against f22.
Also, Turkey can gain a lot of TOT through this project and develop enough knowledge to develop its own enjine....
But, as recently Turkey coorporated with Pratt&Whitney to manufacture parts for F135 enjine, we might see some other optios. But, to be honest, i dont believe it, because, new engine will also have many restricts to export it..

 

[BordoEnes]

To be honest, i strongly believe that, Turkey will choose F110 (129 or 132 versions) engine. As it was used by other arab nations and will not make any trouble to export it. Also, It is the only engine can make the Turkish jet be compatible against f22.
Also, Turkey can gain a lot of TOT through this project and develop enough knowledge to develop its own enjine....
But, as recently Turkey coorporated with Pratt&Whitney to manufacture parts for F135 enjine, we might see some other optios. But, to be honest, i dont believe it, because, new engine will also have many restricts to export it..

There is alot of contradiction in your comment but i wont go into that. For one i think that we will receive next to none ToT when it comes at the licensed fighter jet engine sadly, with aformentioned restrictions ofcourse. Even with ToT it would atleast take a decade or more for the Turkey to develop its Indeginious fighter jet engine. I have a feeling that exporting the TF-X really is going to be a pain in the arze..

 

[FutureMe]

For one thing thrust value doesn't have to match mtow value.

F110-GE-129 79 - 129 kN --- 17.759 lbf - 58.000 lbf
F100-PW-229 79 - 129.7 kN --- 17.759 lbf - 58.314 lbf
Eurojet EJ230+ 78 - 120 kN --- 17.535 lbf - 53.954 lbf

More likely we will start with one of these.

 

[Kamil_baku]

There is alot of contradiction in your comment but i wont go into that. For one i think that we will receive next to none ToT when it comes at the licensed fighter jet engine sadly, with aformentioned restrictions ofcourse. Even with ToT it would atleast take a decade or more for the Turkey to develop its Indeginious fighter jet engine. I have a feeling that exporting the TF-X really is going to be a pain in the arze..

For example, the French Rafale jet production capability is 12 jets in a year. As Turkey plan to order 100-150 jets, Turkey will have another 10 years by 2023 to produce its own engine. I believe Turkey can get TOT, as it has many other technology to offer instead.. Italy and Japan, would be good examples..

 

[Hexciter]

The story of why YF-16 preferred over YF-18.
Didn't we discuss same story for TurAF now.

 

[Hexciter]

the rest

 

[Kamil_baku]

As i mentioned above that, Turkey will have another 10 years to develop jet engine by 2023, seems like you really plan it that way...


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[xxxKULxxx]

EUROJET offers us an improved version of EJ200 including thrust vectoring nozzles.

Source: MSI

 

[Exocet]

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