TF-X Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Deino]

when i talk with fakts, you disappear... little Paris has nothing to say??? do you feel shamed for lieing about things you got no IDea? i guess in Franse you dont get that feeling

Oh come on, please on°! There no need to get personnel rude or insulting against anyone who has - at least IMO - any right to be sceptical. So far I've hear not the slightest reasonable argument why Turkey should manage to archive what other countries struggled to manage with much more experience. Instead all these critics get is being bashed as "anti-Turkish, pro-Gülen or whatever" ... as such You are in no way interested in any discussion, exchange or arguments. All you guy want is some sort of hype!

As such I already resigned to post in this section but I simply cannot hold back my own thoughts on such comments and I'm only waiting whom you guys blame for any potential delay or even failure.

 

[triangle]

Oh come on, please on°! There no need to get personnel rude or insulting against anyone who has - at least IMO - any right to be sceptical. So far I've hear not the slightest reasonable argument why Turkey should manage to archive what other countries struggled to manage with much more experience. Instead all these critics get is being bashed as "anti-Turkish, pro-Gülen or whatever" ... as such You are in no way interested in any discussion, exchange or arguments. All you guy want is some sort of hype!

As such I already resigned to post in this section but I simply cannot hold back my own thoughts on such comments and I'm only waiting whom you guys blame for any potential delay or even failure.

It has got to feel pathetic indeed to see the Turks having more ambition than an industrial and technological powerhouse like Germany.

 

[Deino]

It has got to feel pathetic indeed to see the Turks having more ambition than an industrial and technological powerhouse like Germany.

No it is not pathetic and even if I sometimes regret that Germany has nearly lost all ambitions and maybe even responsibility as Europe's industrial powerhouse, I'm more than happy that we nearly gave up all our national pride and national arrogance.

But now we are off topic.

 

[Successwill]

You guys better disquss your national pride on your own section. we dont care how giant powerhouse your country is. Achieving something begins with ambition and enthusiasm.

 

[Deino]

You guys better disquss your national pride on your own section. we dont care how giant powerhouse your country is. Achieving something begins with ambition and enthusiasm.

... and a realistic planning! But we will see.

 

[Kamil_baku]

Oh come on, please on°! There no need to get personnel rude or insulting against anyone who has - at least IMO - any right to be sceptical. So far I've hear not the slightest reasonable argument why Turkey should manage to archive what other countries struggled to manage with much more experience. Instead all these critics get is being bashed as "anti-Turkish, pro-Gülen or whatever" ... as such You are in no way interested in any discussion, exchange or arguments. All you guy want is some sort of hype!

As such I already resigned to post in this section but I simply cannot hold back my own thoughts on such comments and I'm only waiting whom you guys blame for any potential delay or even failure.

DOnt flip the topiC, he says TS1400 engine is Copy, without any proof, he says, its 1300SHP so "thats why" , but i eXplained him that its TS 1500 engine with 1500 SHP and he disappeared.. no you stupid Chinese, next time you join to topic, at least read komments...

 

[Rogue1]

Rolls-Royce posts $7 billion loss in H1 2020 amid pandemic

British aerospace giant Rolls-Royce on Thursday logged a vast net loss for the first half of 2020 as the coronavirus outbreak grounded aircraft worldwide...

www.dailysabah.com

Don't be surprised if the brits are a little more flexible now with the assistance program.

 

[Deino]

. no you stupid Chinese, next time you join to topic, at least read komments...

Me a stupid Chinese!??
Sorry, but you should indeed better do your homework before making a fool out of yourself.

 

[Kamil_baku]

Me a stupid Chinese!??
Sorry, but you should indeed better do your homework before making a fool out of yourself.

again dont Change the topic, we all know what is hiding under that mask... nothing else to say to my words? it must be a hard task to be a troll...

 

[BON PLAN]

when i talk with fakts, you disappear... little Paris has nothing to say??? do you feel shamed for lieing about things you got no IDea? i guess in Franse you dont get that feeling

Just read the source I gave, find in this forum, from a Turkish member if I remember well.
Good night Genius.

 

[BON PLAN]

You ve got point ok we got it. its not easy but you ve got another pain we cant make head and tail. Folks talking acording to the what the officials say. However every once in a while, you and the likes come here and keep bigmouthing "Turks cant do that, turks cant do this". You troll.

As i always say, we didnt have any UAV technology ten years ago.

Also, we re working on finding possible partnerships in order to reduce the time span. For example Ukrainain delegation has been in Turkey for 3 days. Deputy Minister is visiting every defence related departments including TAI. i am expecting good news. Cus they are trying hard this time. (They started trying hard after experiencing our UAVs)

Turkey will achieve this no matter what. Delays are possible, who cares. Be it a few years later. So take your BS elsewhere

Building a UAV, very similar to those already on the market is one thing.

Studying and producing a fighter is another thing. A far far more difficult task.

You are all proud turkish forumers. It's not a bad thing. But you will see, as India before you, Argentina even before, Brazil... that a world top radar and a world class fighter engine are away of your actual skill.
As it takes to the best 10 years to have a ready for induction radar and engine, 2030 is an impossible target for Turkey. Or you purchase the study from some others and just write "Turkey" on the product.

I let you with your dreams. You can say I wrote BS, I'm a Troll... You will see I'm right.

 

[Successwill]

Building a UAV, very similar to those already on the market is one thing.

Studying and producing a fighter is another thing. A far far more difficult task.

You are all proud turkish forumers. It's not a bad thing. But you will see, as India before you, Argentina even before, Brazil... that a world top radar and a world class fighter engine are away of your actual skill.
As it takes to the best 10 years to have a ready for induction radar and engine, 2030 is an impossible target for Turkey. Or you purchase the study from some others and just write "Turkey" on the product.

I let you with your dreams. You can say I wrote BS, I'm a Troll... You will see I'm right.

Maybe i better write in French? i am saying that you are repeating yourself and this makes you stand out like a troll. But your answer is still same.

Then lets see what is the limit of your knowledge..

Please list the technologies regarding producing a fighter jet that Turkey has and doesnt have. Compare them with able producers. Dont forget to show reliable sources.

Since you said, building an UAV is something, a fighter is another... Tell us what makes the differences in detail by comparing, so we can learn.

Turkey is developing a turboshaft engine for T129, this means we have some technologies. Tell us what other techs we need to develop an engine like F110. What we lack?

i am talking about technical details.

 

[Balamir]

The number of companies producing aircraft in the world is higher than the number of companies producing engines. It is clear that building an engine is more difficult than building an aircraft. Turkey also Land, Sea and Air introduces their platform tools to develop with each passing year, but was forced open on the engine.

land vehicle engines to Turkey and started to develop the missile engines. Five years ago, engine projects started to turn into reality one by one, while there was very little. Turkey does not reverse engineer, he does not theft well the projects of other countries, all of the engineers working in Turkey. aerospace engines produced under license in Turkey was a significant experience on the road to ts1400. It will use the experience gained from the engines produced under license in the JET engine. In addition, it can get help from other countries, especially Ukraine, in areas where it is insufficient. Time will show everything. I think a sensible product will emerge in the mid 2030s at the latest.

 

[UzaySan]

but those companies won't transfer critical technologies (especially the engine core)

Cam'on. Turkey already has most critical part of the engine. Metallurgy sience. Turkey has developed high temperature and pressure resistant metals already and using it on TS-1500.

And Also TEI has achived the production capability of every part of Engine. Look at this image. Tei now can produce every single dot in the image including red ones. since september 2017.

Another critical technology is Single Crystal Turbin Blades. TEI can also produce that.

And TEI is not dependent on another country. They take raw metal and convert this pieces to high tech metals

If you want to watch the conference video(Turkish) here is the link

Mark my words : Turkey will not have it's own fighter engine ready for serial production in 2030 (not to speak of 2023 or 2025

For many reasons the proud turkish people here don't want to understand.

Two years ago TEI(Company who is developing TE-1500) said "If they win the contract they will make an engine in 14 years." Which is 2032 in this case. Nobody claims that National engine will be ready in 2025. TFX will use american f110 engine for development and the first patch. Even Ismail Demir said first patch of TFX can be 4++ gen.(Because of engine first patch will use f110). Second patch will use domestic engine and Since first patch production will start arour 2030 second patch can be 2040. which means there is plenty of time to test the engine. Unless some critical thing hapens and they fast forward to production


Edit: Also What the hell happened this forum design?

And Where is everybody?

 

[Deino]

@Deino can't even speak german. @cabatli_53 dubbed him as a chinese bootlicker.

Hast Du oder @cabatli_53 es denn jemals versucht!?

Wahrscheinlich nicht, weil man Euch nationalistischen, völlig verblendeten Fan-Boys schlicht mit keinem Argument entgegnen kann und ihr Euch immer sofort in Euren übergroßen Nationalstolz gekränkt fühlt.

Auch hier, es geht Euch nicht um Austausch, um Argumente - weil ihr in der Regel keine habt, geschweige denn Ahnung von dem, was ihr postet - sondern nur EureMeinung bestätigt sehen wollt.

Aber egal, macht ruhig so weiter und beleidigt, diffamiert und beschimpft Forenmitglieder aus China, aus Deutschland, Frankreich und sonst woher - alles Länder, die übrigens deutlich mehr Erfahrung in der Entwicklung und Fertigung moderner Hochtechnologie (inklusive Triebwerken und Flugzeugen) - die ja aber nach Eurer werten Meinung alles Idioten, Neider, Ignoranten oder im Fall von Deutschen dann Nazis sind.

Wenn ihr schon keine Gegenargumente oder Erklärungen habt, wie die Türkei mit quasi null Entwicklungserfahrung in diesen relevantgen Hochtechnologien mit weniger Geld, in weniger Zeit etwas entwickeln will, das mehr leistet als ales Konkurrenzprodukte, dann lasst uns wenigstens unsere Meinung zu und Abwarten, was passiert.

Aber freie Meinungsäußerung scheint ja etwas zu sein, dass in der aktuellen Türkei nicht gerne gesehen wird, genauso wenig wie Argumente oder gar berechtigte Kritik.

So, und nun, noch Fragen an den "falschen Chinesen"!?


And for all others:

Have you or @ cabatli_53 ever tried !?

Probably not because you nationalistic, completely deluded fan boys simply cannot be countered with any argument even more since you always feel immediately offended by your excessive national pride.

Here, too, you are not interested in an exchanges or arguments - because you usually have no idea, let alone have a clue of what you are saying - but just want to see your opinion confirmed.

But no matter, keep going to insult, defame and bash other forum members from China, Germany, France and elsewhere - all countries that, by the way, which have significantly more experience in the development and manufacturing of modern high technology (including engines and aircraft) - but they are in your opinion, all idiots, envious people, ignoramuses or, in the case of Germans, Nazis.

If you don't have any counter-arguments or explanations as to how Turkey, with practically zero development experience in these relevant high technologies, wants to develop something in less time, with less money and in less time, than does other countries with competing products, then at least leave us our opinion and wait and see what happens.

But freedom of expression seems to be something that is not welcomed in current Turkey, any more than arguments or even justified criticism.

So, and now, still questions for the "faked Chinese bootlicker"!? At least I don't hide my identity, everyone knows pretty clear who I am and if You are so stupid to recognise, then no-one can help you anymore.