Test to find whether Kashmiri secessionism is ethical.

[Bharat Muslim]

I think of one test to find whether Kashmiri secessionism is ethical.

For this I presume that Indian freedom struggle against British colonialism was ethical.

In Indian freedom struggle, there were some cases where pro-British parents had children who held views opposite to that of their parent’s and even rebelled against them.

Two examples:
1. Subhas Chandra Bose’s father wanted Subhas Bose to join Indian civil service but Bose preferred to resign.
2. Madan Lal Dhingra was disowned for his political activities by his father Gitta Mall, who was the Chief Medical Officer in Amritsar, who went so far as to publish his decision in newspaper advertisements.

If Kashmiri secessionism is indeed ethical, there should be some cases where some Kashmiri parents are pro-India but their children are anti-India. So are/were there any Kashmiri versions of Bose or Dhingra whose opinion on Kashmir dispute were/are different from that of their own parents?

 

[Flash_Ninja]

So if there are examples of children joining the rebels against the wishes of their parents then you will happy to call this movement ethical?

 

[Bharat Muslim]

So if there are examples of children joining the rebels against the wishes of their parents then you will happy to call this movement ethical?

You didn't get the point. It's not about children joining the movement against their parent's wishes. It's obvious that it is indeed happening in Kashmir. Parents of many Kashmiri militants wanted them to study and pursue a career but on the question of Kashmir dispute they were anti-India in their heart and in fact felt a bit proud of their children joining militancy.

The point is are/were there any cases of Kashmiri parents being pro-India but their children being anti-India.

 

[third eye]

Look at it from any angle , try any number of combinations J&K shall forever remain with India.

There are no ethics involved,Hari Singh joined India , the rest can hop.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

You didn't get the point. It's not about children joining the movement against their parent's wishes. It's obvious that it is indeed happening in Kashmir. Parents of many Kashmiri militants wanted them to study and pursue a career but on the question of Kashmir dispute they were anti-India in their heart and in fact felt a bit proud of their children joining militancy.

The point is are/were there any cases of Kashmiri parents being pro-India but their children being anti-India.

First of all that is ridiculous, it makes no sense. It seems like you are inventing some ridiculous metric to justify occupation, there are examples all over the valley of people joining the rebels but they dont exactly broadcast what their parents position is.

However, there are examples of what you are claiming, are you just going to admit that the occupation is unjust if they are provided here?

 

[Bharat Muslim]

However, there are examples of what you are claiming, are you just going to admit that the occupation is unjust if they are provided here?

Okay I will admit although my opinion is insignificant. First tell how many cases are there in Kashmir where parents are/were fiercely pro-India but their children are/were secessionist?

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Okay I will admit although my opinion is insignificant. First tell how many cases are there in Kashmir where parents are/were fiercely pro-India but their children are/were secessionist?

Well, like I said its a ridiculous metric because the parents dont exactly broadcast their position, and for some reason you refuse to accept parents that publicly ask their children to return.

Since you Indians love to make this out as some kind of pro-Muslim movement, how about all the non-Muslims that joined the resistance?

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Well, like I said its a ridiculous metric because the parents dont exactly broadcast their position, and for some reason you refuse to accept parents that publicly ask their children to return.

Since you Indians love to make this out as some kind of pro-Muslim movement, how about all the non-Muslims that joined the resistance?

Again, you don't get the difference between merely asking children to quit militancy (so that they can live a safe life) and genuinely preferring Indian nationality. Kashmiri parents may ask children to quit militancy not because of the love for India but because they don't want their children to die early. But in their heart of hearts they may be wishing for independence from India but don't want their son/sons to be killed in the process.

Are/was their any case of Kashmiri parents genuinely loving India from the core of their heart but their children having opposite views?

Since you Indians love to make this out as some kind of pro-Muslim movement, how about all the non-Muslims that joined the resistance?

That number of Non-Muslims is negligible. And even if it is considerable, that percentage is cancelled by the percentage of pro-India Muslims.

 

[313ghazi]

Why would any Kashmiri be pro-Indian. There aren't any, only those who love rupees more than respect.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Why would any Kashmiri be pro-Indian. There aren't any, only those who love rupees more than respect.

And why would any Kashmiri be pro-Pakistani? There aren't any. Only those who love money more than respect.

And there are lakhs of pro-India Kashmiris. The Kashmiri Pandits, the original inhabitants of Kashmir valley who were driven out from their homes by jihadists.

 

[313ghazi]

And why would any Kashmiri be pro-Pakistani? There aren't any. Only those who love money more than respect.

And there are lakhs of pro-India Kashmiris. The Kashmiri Pandits, the original inhabitants of Kashmir valley who were driven out from their homes by jihadists.

As a kashmiri i can answer that. I'm pro-Pakistani because i'm not Indian. Never have been. We're different people, we have different cultures and values and we are more naturally Pakistani, than we are Indian. You pray to cows, we eat them.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Again, you don't get the difference between merely asking children to quit militancy (so that they can live a safe life) and genuinely preferring Indian nationality. Kashmiri parents may ask children to quit militancy not because of the love for India but because they don't want their children to die early. But in their heart of hearts they may be wishing for independence from India but don't want their son/sons to be killed in the process.

The mental gymnastics displayed here is staggering, every parent who wishes their children not to join the seperatists apparently secretly hates India and so their opinions are completely invalid?

Are/was their any case of Kashmiri parents genuinely loving India from the core of their heart but their children having opposite views?

I cant see into people's hearts genius, nobody can. The point was that if the parents are wishing their children not to join seperatist politics then they arent exactly pro-movement are they.

Your point is very easily proved wrong, and yet you will invent all kinds of silly logic to jump around it.

That number of Non-Muslims is negligible. And even if it is considerable, that percentage is cancelled by the percentage of pro-India Muslims.

Your original point was that if children are joining this movement against their parents political views then the movement is legitimate. There is no need whatsoever for that number has to be balanced or matched by any other demographic.

You are clearly a very confused individual, and you have no idea what your talking about.

 

[EAK]

And why would any Kashmiri be pro-Pakistani? There aren't any. Only those who love money more than respect.

And there are lakhs of pro-India Kashmiris. The Kashmiri Pandits, the original inhabitants of Kashmir valley who were driven out from their homes by jihadists.

I am a Kashmiri and I am pro Pakistani..i can tag you dozen more here with same answer ..if you want ..
And for pandits..Give one neutral source that proves they were majority or even one quarter of the population in kashmir before 1947..One source?