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Tesla No Longer Even A Growth Company; Going Bankrupt: Shortseller

Tesla Short Thesis
We remain short Tesla Inc. (TSLA), which I still consider to be the biggest single stock bubble in this whole bubble market. The core points of our Tesla short thesis are:

  • Tesla has no “moat” of any kind; i.e., nothing meaningfully proprietary in terms of electric car technology, while existing automakers—unlike Tesla—have a decades-long “experience moat” of knowing how to mass-produce, distribute and service high-quality cars consistently and profitably, as well as the ability to subsidize losses on electric cars with profits from their conventional cars.

  • In 2020 Tesla will again lose money, as it has every year in its 17-year existence.

  • Tesla is now a “busted growth story”; revenue growth is flatlining while unit demand for its cars is only being maintained via price cutting.

  • Elon Musk is a securities fraud-committing pathological liar.
In June, courtesy of Business Insider, we once again learned how much of a sociopath Elon Musk is:

Then, courtesy of J.D. Power, we again learned about the atrocious quality of Tesla’s cars; it ranked dead last of 31 brands surveyed:

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And here’s a great graphic from Twitter user @clausMller17 clearly demonstrating Tesla’s blatantly fraudulent EPA range claims for its cars:

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And as @TeslaCharts points out on Twitter, Tesla is no longer even a growth company:

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In May, faced with a shortage of demand in an increasingly competitive (see the many links below) electric car environment during an economic depression, Tesla cut prices across the board. Nothing’s more amusing than seeing this giant stock promotion of a company continue to add capacity (expanding its Chinese factory while supposedly breaking ground on brand new factories in Texas and Germany) in order to desperately try to maintain an image of “limitless demand” as it continually slashes prices to unprofitable levels (excluding its unsustainable emission credit sales and accounting fraud) just to utilize its existing capacity.

In April Tesla reported $16M in Q1 “earnings” thanks entirely to the sale of $354M in 100% margin emission credits that disappear after next year when other automakers no longer need to buy them as they’ll have enough EVs of their own. Additionally, Tesla’s earnings are typically inflated by around $200M/quarter from its ongoing warranty fraud (here’s an excellent Seeking Alpha article and another one in Fortune explaining some of this), so adjusted for these two factors the company would have lost over $500M in Q1, while free cash flow was minus $895M. This is not a viable business.

In addition to the typcial quarterly warranty reserve fraud, Musk may generate a Q2 profit by recognizing part of $600 million in non-cash (it’s already on the balance sheet) deferred revenue from its fraudulently named “Full Self-Driving” (the capabilities of which offer nothing of the kind), thereby turning yet another a money-losing quarter into one showing paper profits. Meanwhile, God only knows how many more people this monstrosity unleashed on public roads will kill, despite February’s NTSB hearing condemning it as dangerous.)

Meanwhile, a terrific chart from Twitter user @fly4dat illustrates how Tesla’s EV market share (the pink line below) in Europe (the world’s most competitive EV market) continues to erode as new competition arrives; this foreshadows what will soon happen to Tesla worldwide:

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And for those of you looking for a resumption of growth from Tesla’s upcoming Model Y, demand for that car is reportedly disastrous. This is unsurprising, as it will both massively cannibalize sales of the Model 3 sedan and (later this year and in 2021) face superior competition from the much nicer electric Audi Q4 e-tron, BMW iX3 (in Europe & China), Mercedes EQB, Volvo XC40 and Volkswagen ID.4, while less expensive and available now are the excellent new all-electric Hyundai Kona and Kia Niro, extremely well reviewed small crossovers with an EPA range of 258 miles for the Hyundai and 238 miles for the Kia, at prices of under $30,000 inclusive of the $7500 U.S. tax credit. Meanwhile, the Model 3 will have terrific direct “sedan competition” later this year from Volvo’s beautiful new Polestar 2, the BMW i4 and the premium version of Volkswagen’s ID.3.

And if you think China is the secret to the resumption of Tesla’s growth, let’s put that market in perspective even without the coronavirus problem: prior to a recent 10% sales tax exemption Tesla was selling around 30,000 Model 3s a year there, and “the story” is that avoiding the 15% tariff and that 10% sales tax will allow it to sell a lot more. There’s also a $3600 EV incentive available (which will be reduced over the next two years), but China just cut to 300,000 yuan the maximum price allowed for an EV to get it; Tesla is thus slashing its Model 3 price from 323,000 yuan to qualify and will now make little-to-nothing on the car, and thus all volume increases will be profitless. Meanwhile the rule of thumb for the elasticity of auto pricing is that every 1% price cut results in a sales increase of up to 2.4%. If we assume a 2.4x “elasticity multiplier,” domestically produced Model 3s that are 40% cheaper (than the original price at the 30,000/year sales rate) would result in annual sales of just 59,000 (40% x 2.4 = 96% more than the previous 30,000), meaning Tesla’s new Chinese factory would be a massive money-loser vs. its initial 150,000-unit annual capacity and the 500,000/year capacity it will supposedly have in 2021. Even if we were to increase the previous sales rate by 150% to 75,000 cars a year, it would be massively disappointing for Tesla bulls and the factory will be a huge money-loser.

Meanwhile, sales of Tesla’s highest-margin cars (the Models S&X) will be down by over 50% worldwide this year vs. their 2018 peak, thanks to cannibalization from the less expensive Model 3 and direct high-end competition (especially in Europe and China) from the Audi e-tron, Jaguar I-Pace, Mercedes EQC and Porsche Taycan, with multiple additional electric Audis, Mercedes and Porsches to follow, many at starting prices considerably below those of the high-end Teslas. (See the links below for more details.)

And oh, the joke of a “pickup truck” Tesla introduced in November won’t be any kind of “growth engine” either, especially as if it’s ever built it will enter a dogfight of a market.

Meanwhile, Tesla has the most executive departures I’ve ever seen from any company, including in June its VP of Business Development; here’s the astounding full list of escapees. These people aren’t leaving because things are going great (or even passably) at Tesla; rather, they’re likely leaving because Musk is either an outright crook or the world’s biggest jerk to work for (or both). And in January Aaron Greenspan of @PlainSite published a terrific treatise on the long history of Tesla fraud; please read it!

In May Consumer Reports completely eviscerated the safety of Tesla’s so-called “Autopilot” system; in fact, Teslas have far more pro rata (i.e., relative to the number sold) deadly incidents than other comparable new luxury cars; here’s a link to those that have been made public. Meanwhile Consumer Report’s annual auto reliability survey ranks Tesla 23rd out of 30 brands (and that’s with many stockholder/owners undoubtedly underreporting their problems—the real number is almost certainly much worse), and the number of lawsuits of all types against the company continues to escalate-- there are now over 800 including one proving blatant fraud by Musk in the SolarCity buyout (if you want to be really entertained, read his deposition!).

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tesla-no-longer-even-growth-121604978.html


Tesla up 10% today.:lol:
 
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Too high expectation
Space x sure... Tesla... not so much


You highly underestimate Tesla. They are just now getting started and their growth is about to explode.

You are making the same mistake as the people who thought Apple was just developing a standard phone with a touch screen in 2007.


Along with SpaceX, Tesla is probably the most disruptive company in the world. They are way ahead of the competition.
 
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You highly underestimate Tesla. They are just now getting started and their growth is about to explode.

You are making the same mistake as the people who thought Apple was just developing a standard phone with a touch screen in 2007.


Along with SpaceX, Tesla is probably the most disruptive company in the world. They are way ahead of the competition.
I’ve no doubt Tesla is way ahead of the pack... but unless they cover or are able to setup charging stations in countries other than US... meet their production demands on time and fix their QC issues/reliability (which doesn’t put them in any advantageous position compared to GM, or international players like Toyota and Volkswagen) then it’s going to be pretty difficult for them to become a trillion dollar company. Steve Jobs had strict control over how apple should lead the industries and apple is riding on that wave rn... Elon Musk isn’t as eccentric as Steve and is much more relaxed when it comes to his workers work ethics... so it will be very difficult if not impossible at its current rate
 
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I got my $$$ on Telsa... think a decade into the future. They have a huge competitive advantage in their electric batteries and their new generation batteries are much better.

They are expected to sell electric batteries to other auto makers who are far ahead in this technology. Their pickup truck will have record breaking sales. The costs of their vehicles and technology has gone down many folds and is expected further to decreasing allowing the average consumer to buy their vehicles at an affordable price.

Do the math
 
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You highly underestimate Tesla. They are just now getting started and their growth is about to explode.

You are making the same mistake as the people who thought Apple was just developing a standard phone with a touch screen in 2007.


Along with SpaceX, Tesla is probably the most disruptive company in the world. They are way ahead of the competition.

they are indeed disruptive - to the normal functioning of the US economy. The only difference between Tesla and Soviet state owned automakers is that Tesla wastes more money and doesn't give free healthcare to employees.

I got my $$$ on Telsa... think a decade into the future. They have a huge competitive advantage in their electric batteries and their new generation batteries are much better.

They are expected to sell electric batteries to other auto makers who are far ahead in this technology. Their pickup truck will have record breaking sales. The costs of their vehicles and technology has gone down many folds and is expected further to decreasing allowing the average consumer to buy their vehicles at an affordable price.

Do the math

they buy batteries from Panasonic.
 
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they are indeed disruptive - to the normal functioning of the US economy. The only difference between Tesla and Soviet state owned automakers is that Tesla wastes more money and doesn't give free healthcare to employees.



they buy batteries from Panasonic.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-for-electric-cars-and-the-grid-idUSKBN22Q1WC

https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/14/...tl-china-kilowatt-hour-cost-range-improvement

This will totally change the name of the game for Tesla
 
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they still have to pay CATL for royalties since they're using CATL technology.

their cars still haven't caught up in the basic mechanical engineering side either, going by the number of defects per 100 cars.

Tesla also has lost money for 17 years so at this point they're more like a Soviet state owned too big to fail automaker i.e. Lada, rather than a market disruptor. A real market disruptor doesn't run on losses for 17 years.
 
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:D TSLA is set for 2000-3000 mark my words


Higher, much higher. We may see 2000 on Battery Day.

In 10-15 years, when I’m sippin on Old Fashioneds in the Maldives, the PDF experts will still be slaving away in their day jobs.
 
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its not about lasting but environmental factors

anyways... not surprised since there's not good options to finance the model 3 at a reasonable rate neither are the cheapest model cheap... lacks behind in range too....
if it could beat a corolla in value then yes... it could have been successful
Tesla is here to stay...in most countries it is way too expensive...but in US it will continue to sell. They have a huge lead on autonomous driving software over all the other car companies that are trying to build their own. They have a huge lead in EVs and battery tech...other car manufacturers haven't been able to come up with a competing product of the same level.
...not to mention their other ventures like their vast charging station network and more recently tesla insurance.

They just need to get by a few more years...battery density will keep improving...and over time the prices will come down further.
 
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Tesla is here to stay...in most countries it is way too expensive...but in US it will continue to sell. They have a huge lead on autonomous driving software over all the other car companies that are trying to build their own. They have a huge lead in EVs and battery tech...other car manufacturers haven't been able to come up with a competing product of the same level.
...not to mention their other ventures like their vast charging station network and more recently tesla insurance.

They just need to get by a few more years...battery density will keep improving...and over time the prices will come down further.
true... but imo they're being foolish by not licensing their AI system to other manufacturers... while in short term they hold the edge... it won't be long before others catch up or even surpass it... georgehotz's project a couple pof years ago comes to mind...
not to mention apple had been trying to develop their own car since iphone 5s launch but halted and released carplay instead... there's mention of some tech parks they acquired just for EV research purposes but no news since... wouldn't be surprised if apple pulls a surprise in a decade and use their capital might to come compete with tesla...
also forgot to mention porsche... basically tesla is got a rival of perfomance sedan market with the taycan
 
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true... but imo they're being foolish by not licensing their AI system to other manufacturers... while in short term they hold the edge... it won't be long before others catch up or even surpass it... georgehotz's project a couple pof years ago comes to mind...
not to mention apple had been trying to develop their own car since iphone 5s launch but halted and released carplay instead... there's mention of some tech parks they acquired just for EV research purposes but no news since... wouldn't be surprised if apple pulls a surprise in a decade and use their capital might to come compete with tesla...
also forgot to mention porsche... basically tesla is got a rival of perfomance sedan market with the taycan
I'm not sure if they can share it with others...I could be wrong. The main difference is that other car companies that have their competing self driving tech...they are relying heavily on LiDAR. Tesla never used LiDAR and instead has a set of cameras all around the vehicle.
...if however it can be used and licensed...then they should license it along with their supercharger network and batteries. Before long all EVs of all companies will be heavily reliant on Tesla.
 
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