Terrorists involved in APS attack have met their fate: Gen Raheel

[NIA]

Good job pakistan army. ...keeping hitting those scum bags.

 

[VCheng]

short answer maybe Not. General saab is making a claim and we can only take it at face value there is nothing to confirm it against. we know for sure though that those that have had links with these terrorists or have supported their cause have not been harmed. Red mosque (sorry) Lal Masjid people actually justified APS attack and refused to condemn the killing of children.. to date they remain untouchable and are actually the courts are busy accommodating their cases against Musharraf.


those that facilitated the attack were gunned down, arrested or dronned . did we get them all? I dont know .the total people involved may run into hundreds those that provided logistics, those that posted pictures, those that made phone calls. and those that ran the commentary and provided intel to the attackers as the army moved in.

re attackers. none of them went there to take hostages OR escape.
their idea was to kill maximum children and then blow themselves up when the army turns up.
if three as a confirmed number then I have missed the last ISPR report. I recall them being 15 to 20 and TTP even posted their group photo after the terror attack
after the attackers were killed or they blew themselves up.. the Americans were the first to draw the blood of the
TTP by conducting the drone strikes inside Afghanistan.

Exactly my point. It is high time that we do not blindly believe such pontifications from the highest levels without asking some hard questions and tangible, verifiable evidence, no offence or affront to the the dignity of the good General intended.

How can the honorable COAS claim that the APS attackers have met their fate without telling us how many?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Exactly my point. It is high time that we do not blindly believe such pontifications from the highest levels without asking some hard questions and tangible, verifiable evidence, no offence or affront to the the dignity of the good General intended.

How can the honorable COAS claim that the APS attackers have met their fate without telling us how many?

before we dissect the statement we can make some estimates here.

there was a definite number of attackers who actually took part in the attack
the number ranges from 15 to 20. but what about their drivers? how many vehicles involved? did the driver(s) ditch their vehicle(s) or blew them up for distraction? army was there in 10 minutes so whoever went inside the school (most likely) didn't escape

unknown entity drivers

what about the safe house(s) where they stayed before the attack?
how many people in the house(s) families or some sort of caverns/ madrassas. there were raids after teh school attack on different places in Peshawar and elsewhere but did we get them all? we dont know

unknown entity facilitators at the safe houses

operation in Shawal Valley
the training centre where the terrorists had their group photo taken. did their planners, trainers and other fellow trainees all stay there until the army turned up?

unknown entity people at the terror camps.

then there were caller(s) inside Afghanistan. who were traced and who gave instructions (just like during Mumbai attack). what about them? and their facilitators
ANA and US drones conducted some strikes on TTP but where the targeted people directly involved in the terror planning and support? maybe or maybe not
unknown entity people in Afghanistan

overall few hundred terrorists were killed in the raids immediately after the APS attack that were directly or indirectly involved in the attack. the army made repeated hints of Indian involvement now put that claim together with Gen Raheel's claim and ask yourself if that also means we killed the alleged Indian agents?

unknown entity facilitators external entities

 

[Nitin Goyal]

So who was behind the peshawar attack.. and so many other attacks ? Pakistan should stop blaming India for their own failure.

 

[VCheng]

overall few hundred terrorists were killed in the raids immediately after the APS attack that were directly or indirectly involved in the attack. the army made repeated hints of Indian involvement now put that claim together with Gen Raheel's claim and ask yourself if that also means we killed the alleged Indian agents?

Frankly, Sir, I do not care who the fuc kers were, I just want them and all those that you describe as being associated with this atrocity killed or brought to justice. No, wait, just killed. All of them.

Let's start with the core: how many attackers were there? No one knows for sure. How many abettors were inside the school already? Once these basic numbers are known, we can talk about who they were and how we know they were killed?

Then we can talk about what proof is there if Indian involvement and how those who were involved were killed.

I am not being a traitor by asking all these critical questions and demanding answers. In my view this is one of the best ways to honor the families who lost their precious kids in this tragedy. Noble words are easy, but the real proof of how we all take this seriously is in dealing with the aftermath properly.

 

[rockstar08]

That's partially our fault. We've excluded them from our national life. Time to reintroduce them to Pakistani society.

no , no one isolate them .. they themselves isolate them ... they consider themselves as super humans and some proud tribals .. so be it
live there in FATA with their tribal culture , and leave other areas of Pakistan in peace

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I am not being a traitor by asking all these critical questions and demanding answers. In my view this is one of the best ways to honor the families who lost their precious kids in this tragedy. Noble words are easy, but the real proof of how we all take this seriously is in dealing with the aftermath properly.

your questions are valid and you dont have to clarify yourself. if someone cant digest these basic questions then he should log off and take out his frustration at a pillow or something.

you are correct. as we celebrate our eid. those people who lost their children want a closure one day on this horrific tragedy and we can pull things under the rug and expect them to shut up while the terrorist apologists and their supporters are out there in the public day and night mocking them and harassing them.

I will like to move this discussion and get yo attention to this ill-thought and malicious move by Asma Jhangir which the judiciary gleefully accommodated and that was halting all the military sentences against those terrorists who have in some cases re-offended.

our grieving brothers and sisters have the right to question our chief and demand justice for their children and we appreciate that past 7 months now he has made it a personal fight going by going to the front lines.

but we must also watch out and confront those so called liberals like Ashma Jahangir whose anti army rhetoric has crossed the limits of chronic obsession watch her in the talkshows where her mockery at the predicament of the army goes to the point of humiliating and insulting the victims and their families she must stop doing that if she has any shred of decency in her body. since the suspension of military courts the arrested terrorists have regained their arrogance and they know they will be out soon to re-offend again.

 

[VCheng]

your questions are valid and you dont have to clarify yourself. if someone cant digest these basic questions then he should log off and take out his frustration at a pillow or something.

you are correct. as we celebrate our eid. those people who lost their children want a closure one day on this horrific tragedy and we can pull things under the rug and expect them to shut up while the terrorist apologists and their supporters are out there in the public day and night mocking them and harassing them.

I will like to move this discussion and get yo attention to this ill-thought and malicious move by Asma Jhangir which the judiciary gleefully accommodated and that was halting all the military sentences against those terrorists who have in some cases re-offended.

our grieving brothers and sisters have the right to question our chief and demand justice for their children and we appreciate that past 7 months now he has made it a personal fight going by going to the front lines.

but we must also watch out and confront those so called liberals like Ashma Jahangir whose anti army rhetoric has crossed the limits of chronic obsession watch her in the talkshows where her mockery at the predicament of the army goes to the point of humiliating and insulting the victims and their families she must stop doing that if she has any shred of decency in her body. since the suspension of military courts the arrested terrorists have regained their arrogance and they know they will be out soon to re-offend again.

You raise a good point about military courts. For terrorism related offences, that may be a necessary evil to tolerate since the regular courts are clearly incapable of dealing with the menace.

My stance in promoting the rule of law is clear, but in this case, the Constitutional amendment is the key. It is under review by the Supreme Court, and if there ever was a need to allow such a step to stand due to the doctrine of necessity, surely this is it. Not Martial law, but to provide every tool to the Army necessary to deal with the terrorists. May be it is time to allow for a time limited action, say five years for military courts to work and then review the whole situation.

The best way to deal with liberals like Asma is not to try and shut them up. The correct strategy is to counter their objections with better and legal solutions.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Hi,

One game at a time bro< you have to take into account the strategic implications

what strategik implications if you want to tackle a very powerfull and venmous snake simplest way is first to crush its head and if pak fauj realli wants to tackle and punish these terrorists they cant until they break its supply lines and punish the people behind arming , training and feeding and glorifying these bastard terrorists rats

 

[salarsikander]

what strategik implications if you want to tackle a very powerfull and venmous snake simplest way is first to crush its head and if pak fauj realli wants to tackle and punish these terrorists they cant until they break its supply lines and punish the people behind arming , training and feeding and glorifying these bastard terrorists rats

HI,

The dynamics are very different in reality than in the newspaper you read.

You see, when a govt fails in duties of providing decent standard of living, when they fail to provide basic necessities such as education, food and shelter. Another entity replaces it by doing their job (Madarsssah) even though they run on donation.

They have actually provided young people with at least one of the things that i mentioned if not all.

Secondly, in a nation where religious sentiment is very high and sensitive with low literacy rate, any atttempt to change the status quo will be met with very stiff resistance. The MUllah mafia gang has actually hypnotised the entire mass by using religion as a tool of influencing.

They will not easily give up this influence.

rest assured after the religious blackmail from Saudis, we can see this wrong influences has quite actually weakened. But it is still strong form the core.

What we need is not only operation using arms, but we need another weapon on a massive level. Education and Awareness of how young people are lured and trapped in this vicious cycle of terrorism.

I have tried to answer your question, hope you have found it.

If not, don't hesitate to quote me again.

Oh BTW, EID MUBARAK

 

[GURU DUTT]

HI,

The dynamics are very different in reality than in the newspaper you read.

You see, when a govt fails in duties of providing decent standard of living, when they fail to provide basic necessities such as education, food and shelter. Another entity replaces it by doing their job (Madarsssah) even though they run on donation.

They have actually provided young people with at least one of the things that i mentioned if not all.

Secondly, in a nation where religious sentiment is very high and sensitive with low literacy rate, any atttempt to change the status quo will be met with very stiff resistance. The MUllah mafia gang has actually hypnotised the entire mass by using religion as a tool of influencing.

They will not easily give up this influence.

rest assured after the religious blackmail from Saudis, we can see this wrong influences has quite actually weakened. But it is still strong form the core.

What we need is not only operation using arms, but we need another weapon on a massive level. Education and Awareness of how young people are lured and trapped in this vicious cycle of terrorism.

I have tried to answer your question, hope you have found it.

If not, don't hesitate to quote me again.

Oh BTW, EID MUBARAK

as they say

HADSA EK ROZZ ME NAHI HOTA WAQT KERTA HAI USKI PARWARISH BARSON

and you pointed that owt beutyfulli but thing is about crushing these terorists and their backers well to me it looks like its a very very tough road ahead and it will be nothing short of a mirackle if pak fauj somehow manages to do it good luck and eid mubaraq to you and all your family and friends