Terror attack thwarted at Karachi Naval Dockyard

[syedali73]

yesterday express news said he was kidnapped and killed when ransom demand was not fulfilled :/

Ummat is telling another story as follows:

Express is telling similar things. One of the suspected terrorist had quit Navy job four (4) months ago.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

If you are implying India, dont you think we would want the terrorists to try and attack your nuclear assets? What is more strategic for Pakistan than those?

So come out of the mist of illogical nationalistic jingoism and open your self to alternate theories as well. What do terrorists want ? Max publicity.. What kind of attacks give them those? Attacks on Pakistani military assets. Because attacks on civilians have become so routine that most News papers have even stopped reporting them.

Sometimes things are as simple as they seem

I understand your view point and respect your arguments but you are being modest here.

any worthy enemy will try to take advantage of the chaos due to civil unrest and insurgency in a country. India might not attack directly at the nuclear assets because they raise the threat bar too much but there are many stretegic conventional assets that can and have been targetted

this is why during the opening press conference by new Indian COAS.. a very well scripted and choreographed play.. the Indian COAS was "stopped" by a journalist as he was moving away from the podium and asked about the response to Pakistan for its transgressions, barely able to contain himself Indian COAS said enough which we already knew when he said that Pakistan has been hit stretegically which has hurt it very bad.

we naturally look at the attacks on our Naval and air surveillance planes in Mehran and Kamra.

militants purely for the sake of publicity have much more easier targets that can cause more shock and publicity resulting in massive casualties. in both attacks the "terrorists" went past other Naval and PAF assets in order to reach their intended targets.

I have nothing but praise for the Indian blackops who did their job and escaped while their Pakistani accomplices blew themselves up or fought till death .. giving the chance to "real heroes" to escape the scene.


using your argument, the Naxalites can make a journey all the way to one of the Indian naval base and blow few things up but if your experts will point fingers at Pakistan then I would completely understand. because Naxalites have enough targets of opportunity where they are to get publicity.

one thing that has come out of these attacks on the bases is that since karachi airport , Quetta base and this naval base attack.. our security forces have been relatively successful compared to total chaos and destruction during Mehran and Kamra where they were outclassed.

This right here is ALL you guys. Had you listened to the US's advise back in 2002 and did the operation that's under going today, SO MANY people would still be alive and so many terrorist attacks would've never happened. But this isn't foreign intelligences outside of RAW that's supporting these Tlibastards. The fault comes on you again to not clean up the area on your side and safeguard it for your interests when you knew that the RAW was building many cultural centers right on the border in Afghanistan.

we fail to sell our war against the terrorists
we are still apologetic and double minded. Indians will do what any worthy enemy must do. I cant blame them.

 

[Amaa'n]

Something about attack on PN dockyard doesnt add up- if you ask me -- i say Talis are a hogwash, they lied when they claimed the responsibility for this attack ---- someone is hiding something in this story - i cansense it ---

 

[punit]

I understand your view point and respect your arguments but you are being modest here.

any worthy enemy will try to take advantage of the chaos due to civil unrest and insurgency in a country. India might not attack directly at the nuclear assets because they raise the threat bar too much but there are many stretegic conventional assets that can and have been targetted

this is why during the opening press conference by new Indian COAS.. a very well scripted and choreographed play.. the Indian COAS was "stopped" by a journalist as he was moving away from the podium and asked about the response to Pakistan for its transgressions, barely able to contain himself Indian COAS said enough which we already knew when he said that Pakistan has been hit stretegically which has hurt it very bad.

we naturally look at the attacks on our Naval and air surveillance planes in Mehran and Kamra.

militants purely for the sake of publicity have much more easier targets that can cause more shock and publicity resulting in massive casualties. in both attacks the "terrorists" went past other Naval and PAF assets in order to reach their intended targets.

I have nothing but praise for the Indian blackops who did their job and escaped while their Pakistani accomplices blew themselves up or fought till death .. giving the chance to "real heroes" to escape the scene.


using your argument, the Naxalites can make a journey all the way to one of the Indian naval base and blow few things up but if your experts will point fingers at Pakistan then I would completely understand. because Naxalites have enough targets of opportunity where they are to get publicity.

one thing that has come out of these attacks on the bases is that since karachi airport , Quetta base and this naval base attack.. our security forces have been relatively successful compared to total chaos and destruction during Mehran and Kamra where they were outclassed.


we fail to sell our war against the terrorists
we are still apologetic and double minded. Indians will do what any worthy enemy must do. I cant blame them.

with due respect what about the insider angle. Pakistani naval officials helping the attackers ! Do the RAW has moles inside Pakistani Armed forces !

Something about attack on PN dockyard doesnt add up- if you ask me -- i say Talis are a hogwash, they lied when they claimed the responsibility for this attack ---- someone is hiding something in this story - i cansense it ---

IMO its the insider help angle. Some short of mutiny.

 

[Amaa'n]

with due respect what about the insider angle. Pakistani naval officials helping the attackers ! Do the RAW has moles inside Pakistani Armed forces !



IMO its the insider help angle. Some short of mutiny.

The insider help was there but the question still remains the same - who pulled the strings ---

 

[punit]

The insider help was there but the question still remains the same - who pulled the strings ---

@WebMaster jaan/ban ki salamati ho to ! i want to say that entire incident looks like a hogwash. Something went horribly wrong on board the PNS Ship and is given A terrorist angle deliberately. Its fine to stop the live TV Coverage of the incident but blocking the incident for 3 days is suspicious. Also location of a PN Ship is neither fixed not public ( unlike airports, GHQ etc) so the entire incident is very fishy. Of course i may be wrong. but there are deeper waters. @Irfan Baloch

 

[Irfan Baloch]

with due respect what about the insider angle. Pakistani naval officials helping the attackers ! Do the RAW has moles inside Pakistani Armed forces !



IMO its the insider help angle. Some short of mutiny.

this is a valid counter point.
the help can be from civilians or from serving personnel . ends justify the means.
unlike the 80s Amjad khan movies ... the villain doesnt have to come in person and explain his plan to the minions and the heroes. the agencies can work in the background.

people from cross section of the society joined the terrorists and armed forces are part of the same society. the terrorists have received help from anyone they can .. they have never been fussy about it and that suits the international players who can use middlemen without even introducing themselves.

@WebMaster jaan/ban ki salamati ho to ! i want to say that entire incident looks like a hogwash. Something went horribly wrong on board the PNS Ship and is given A terrorist angle deliberately. Its fine to stop the live TV Coverage of the incident but blocking the incident for 3 days is suspicious. Also location of a PN Ship is neither fixed not public ( unlike airports, GHQ etc) so the entire incident is very fishy. Of course i may be wrong. but there are deeper waters. @Irfan Baloch

so far we have 3 confirmed "deserters" . an airforce technician from Sawabi who rose through the ranks in TTP and another was military hospital dispensary staff (locally called compdor) and then this ex naval guy.

I dont want to brag but thats very impressive record for a military of a country that is being declared a failed state on the brink of breakup for umpteen times for the past decade.

as far as blocking the story and lack of coverage is concerned. I 100% support that decision specially in these times and the nature of the incident. its not a coverage of a showbiz wedding or the election coverage that MUST be shared.

withholding this news helped him apprehending the accomplices of this attack from different parts of the country. once the response operation was over the news was shared.

end of

 

[Kloitra]

The insider help was there but the question still remains the same - who pulled the strings ---

Is it not possible that a part (current/former) of establishment, like the 2 officers, who are not satisfied with the current system - religion or governance- were the ones pulling the string? They would be well informed to carry out such operations.

 

[punit]

this is a valid counter point.
the help can be from civilians or from serving personnel . ends justify the means.
unlike the 80s Amjad khan movies ... the villain doesnt have to come in person and explain his plan to the minions and the heroes. the agencies can work in the background.

people from cross section of the society joined the terrorists and armed forces are part of the same society. the terrorists have received help from anyone they can .. they have never been fussy about it and that suits the international players who can use middlemen without even introducing themselves.

how about my second speculation sir. regarding this one i would like to say agencies of both countries have moles in defense establishment but they will rarely use them for such direct attack on military installation which can create Casus belli for real war. and no govt ( even rogue elements or extreme hawks) despite all chest thumping want a real full scale war.

No sir ! its something altogether different.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

how about my second speculation sir. regarding this one i would like to say agencies of both countries have moles in defense establishment but they will rarely use them for such direct attack on military installation which can create Casus belli for real war. and no govt ( even rogue elements or extreme hawks) despite all chest thumping want a real full scale war.

No sir ! its something altogether different.

indeed
everything is possible
there is no right or wrong argument


dont take it personal by the way. some Iranian and Saudi scumbags are involved up to their collective necks in causing the religious/ sectarian proxy war that morphed into a full blown insurgency due to our apologetic and head in the sand and arss in the sun approach to dealing with the issue.

 

[punit]

indeed
everything is possible
there is no right or wrong argument


dont take it personal by the way. some Iranian and Saudi scumbags are involved up to their collective necks in causing the religious/ sectarian proxy war that morphed into a full blown insurgency due to our apologetic and head in the sand and arss in the sun approach to dealing with the issue.

well sir! our level of mutual hatred is not that high! after all chest thumping we can still enjoy lassi or other serious drinks together.

 

[foxbat]

I understand your view point and respect your arguments but you are being modest here.

any worthy enemy will try to take advantage of the chaos due to civil unrest and insurgency in a country. India might not attack directly at the nuclear assets because they raise the threat bar too much but there are many stretegic conventional assets that can and have been targetted

But it wont be India attacking. It would be a ill dresses, ill equipped extremist who will probably yell a religious shout before blowing himself up. Would be a very tough ask to link that to India specially when the person in question will be in the Pakistani citizens database. Plus here, the attack doesn't even need to succeed. Even an attempt will make the West crap its pants and the Pakistani nuclear capability will again start getting called rogue. What would suite India more?

this is why during the opening press conference by new Indian COAS.. a very well scripted and choreographed play.. the Indian COAS was "stopped" by a journalist as he was moving away from the podium and asked about the response to Pakistan for its transgressions, barely able to contain himself Indian COAS said enough which we already knew when he said that Pakistan has been hit stretegically which has hurt it very bad.

we naturally look at the attacks on our Naval and air surveillance planes in Mehran and Kamra.

I think you are over analyzing. In military circles it wont be considered honorable to say that the attack on Indian army was avenged by a civilian organization. Do remember, that unlike ISI, RAW is a civilian body outside the control of the military. The COAS meant that we have killed as many of theirs if not more, as they have killed of ours.

militants purely for the sake of publicity have much more easier targets that can cause more shock and publicity resulting in massive casualties. in both attacks the "terrorists" went past other Naval and PAF assets in order to reach their intended targets.

Not today. When 100+ shias getting blown up lasts a couple of days in news and a failed attack in Quetta lasts much longer. Unfortunately, Pakistan seems to have become immune to human casualties and what makes the news is the attacks on MIlitary assets. Add to that the perceived feeling of revenge the Taliban folks would get hitting the military (to avenge military hitting them) and you can very well explain these attacks on military targets. Probably now a few of these outfits consider themselves above attacking civilians or may be do not want to alienate the civilians too much so as to maintain their recruitment pool.

I have nothing but praise for the Indian blackops who did their job and escaped while their Pakistani accomplices blew themselves up or fought till death .. giving the chance to "real heroes" to escape the scene.

Even if India was involved in it, it would never risk sending its soldiers to fight along side Taliban terrorists. The downside of discovery is too great, irrespective of what ever is the upside.

using your argument, the Naxalites can make a journey all the way to one of the Indian naval base and blow few things up but if your experts will point fingers at Pakistan then I would completely understand. because Naxalites have enough targets of opportunity where they are to get publicity.

The capabilities of naxalites are no where close to what you just proposed. neither is their objective. Naxalites are fighting the battle of area denial with Indian police.. Not going toe to toe with Indian Army. More like dacoits.

one thing that has come out of these attacks on the bases is that since karachi airport , Quetta base and this naval base attack.. our security forces have been relatively successful compared to total chaos and destruction during Mehran and Kamra where they were outclassed.

Even more strength to them (as long as they are not fighting India )

 

[Irfan Baloch]

But it wont be India attacking. It would be a ill dresses, ill equipped extremist who will probably yell a religious shout before blowing himself up. Would be a very tough ask to link that to India specially when the person in question will be in the Pakistani citizens database. Plus here, the attack doesn't even need to succeed. Even an attempt will make the West crap its pants and the Pakistani nuclear capability will again start getting called rogue. What would suite India more?

this is true

it just has to be symbolic
even an attack on the sign board will be enough or an attack on the bus carrying the staff to those facilities like the attacks on the POF employees in earlier years of war on terror

 

[CENTCOM]

It’s clear that the terrorists are attempting to orchestrate their acts of terror at all levels. This is not the first time they’ve targeted a military installation in Pakistan. Their long list of crimes also includes attacks on mosques, shopping centers, government officials and innocent civilians. We are happy to read the attack was foiled by security forces and that these six criminals will no longer be able to carry out the TTP’s hateful agenda.

We send our condolences to the family and friends of the Navy officer who died in this attack. We also wish a quick and speedy recovery to those who are injured. We stand with the nation of Pakistan and fully support their efforts to counter terrorism.

Ali Khan
Digital Engagement Team, USCENTCOM

 

[S.Y.A]

i have been to the dockyard, it is extremely well guarded, not to mention that pns iqbal(hq of ssgn) is located at the same place too, so any attack from land is quite impossible, the whole road is blocked and full of checkpoints. my guess is that they may have used fishing boats to conduct the attacks.