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Just tell uncle Singh & Co to behave. Everything will be alright. Even the British had a very rough time with us Bangalis. And thanks for cooperating in '71!

Just refresh us with the names of the Bengalis who gave a rough time to the British?

I have not understood this cooperation bit.

The EPR defeated the Pakistan army in East Pakistan?

I wonder if that was how the history reads.
 
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Just refresh us with the names of the Bengalis who gave a rough time to the British?

I have not understood this cooperation bit.

The EPR defeated the Pakistan army in East Pakistan?

I wonder if that was how the history reads.

At least he acknowledges that we helped them in their struggle. Don't push your luck with these ghairatmand people.
 
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At least he acknowledges that we helped them in their struggle. Don't push your luck with these ghairatmand people.

That doesn't mean Bangladesh has to be your backyard. Friendship has its limitations.
 
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That doesn't mean Bangladesh has to be your backyard. Friendship has its limitations.

Indeed, Bangaldesh is nobody's backyard and none should think it is so.

Bangladesh is an independent nation and is moving on its own steam. If you had seen one of my post, I was critical and mentioned that one cannot insist that Bangaldesh remains totally beholden in perpetuity. No, it has to find its own place as per her national interest. Of course, one should maintain cordial relations with all nations, as far as feasible.

However, when history is connected to an issue, one cannot be economical with the truth and facts, if one is honest.
 
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At least he acknowledges that we helped them in their struggle. Don't push your luck with these ghairatmand people.

You see pal.. I thanked you, but what do I get? I get called a "ghairatmand" (?). That's also the big picture of Indo-BD relationship. You want something more than a thanks for our joint cooperation during the war. I hear you want a backyard, no? Well, what can we do?:undecided: Can we not trade NE for Eastern Sundarbans as your new backyard?
 
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Socialism never works. The new constitutions changes : democracy, secularism, socialism and nationalism, all four are pretty much a failed ideology at least in Bangladesh. We have to replace socialism with a more flexible ideology, preferably free market like the one Zia used during his period.

Let's face it. It will not be easy to demise Awami traditional ways so I came up with brilliant idea to end Awami league for ever. :azn:

If nothing unexpected happen then it's safe to say that BNP led alliance will come back to power by before or next election. When they come in power, they ought to crook Awami properties in the name socialism and then distribute to common poor people, and then amend the constitution to previous place. This should be done to break the Awamis financial back bone. Therefore a poor awami will be easy to finish up for the betterment of Bangladeshi. A taste of their own medicine. :smokin:

What say bros??? ;)
 
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Ah, Al-zaikr if we had more like you in 71 then east p wouldnt have fallen!!!

you go bro!!!!!!!!! take the bad AL guys out!!!!!!!! :D:D:D
 
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Ah, Al-zaikr if we had more like you in 71 then east p wouldnt have fallen!!!

you go bro!!!!!!!!! take the bad AL guys out!!!!!!!! :D:D:D

Absolute correct.

But I wonder where were they during the Liberation?

It is a rather interesting phenomenon that when they were required by Paksitan, they were saving their bacon, but now that things are calm, they find heart to crow like the co.ck heralding a new morn!

It would not be worthwhile to bank on such people, who are fickle as the wind and change direction like the weather coc.k depending on the direction of the wind!
 
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Absolute correct.

But I wonder where were they during the Liberation?

It is a rather interesting phenomenon that when they were required by Paksitan, they were saving their bacon, but now that things are calm, they find heart to crow like the co.ck heralding a new morn!

It would not be worthwhile to bank on such people, who are fickle as the wind and change direction like the weather coc.k depending on the direction of the wind!

[video]http://youtu.be/GPqLnZgsGAg[/video]

Your statement is only half correct…

Actually more than half of Pakistani soldiers doing operations in east p at the time were Bengali!! as matter of fact they were the frontline troops fighting against mukti bhaini!!! In simplest terms they are referred to as razakars locals or Bengalis who sided with pak forces.

Yes I know many Bangladeshis especially anti pak ones; integra, lajadni ,eastwatch, zabanya,Sami like to exaggerate facts by implying that all troops in 71 were from outside Bangladesh.
However its true many Bengalis also fought against pak troops.

It is a rather interesting phenomenon that you Indians now seem to regret hyping up the hate and brainwashing resulting in breakup of east p. After all it was you who armed the mukti bhini and gave them external support by launching war on pak. At the time you were more than happy to help out your Bengali friends in need, I wonder why???????

1 thing many Pakistanis (I myself) and maybe Bangladeshis have learned is that no matter what India cannot be trusted!!!!!To me 71 incident was a civil war until the involvement of India and defeat of troops in east p.

Like I said before It was inevitable sooner or later it would have happened!!!! But I’m glad it happened because it opened up the senses to Bangladeshis to determine their own future and know their friends and foes.

That does not mean that the Pakistani state should not be cautious, in choosing its friends and allies. If Bangladesh wants friendship, cooperation then pak should extend its hand and work together as independent nations.. Hopefully there will be friendship in future between us two nations

But issuing visas, open borders (1 of al zaikr’s old statements) or a reunion with Bangladesh (some Pakistanis) I think is absolutely ludicrous to think otherwise.

Power hungry politicians from both sides preyed on the common man’s misconceptions and hijacked the agenda of unity and self-determination.

I mean isn’t it IRONIC that today in both pak ( PPP party) and Bangladesh (AL party) the very same people are in power who misled the people and disintegrated Pakistan in 1971 are looting, corrupting , plundering and destroying our nations.

Is this what the common man fought for???? To see the very same thieves, looters, bullies sit on the thrones and enjoy plundering the nations while thousands of poor people in both countries starve and look on?????

It’s a long way off 1971 but we still our tied to each other through religion, brother hood, culture and language. Ask any Bangladeshi or Pakistani and they will find more common ground between us then differences.

At the moment both our countries are stuck with different influences and until such governments come that meet, both the peoples grievances then there will always be differences among us.
 
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[video]http://youtu.be/GPqLnZgsGAg[/video]


Yes I know many Bangladeshis especially anti pak ones; integra, lajadni ,eastwatch, zabanya,Sami like to exaggerate facts by implying that all troops in 71 were from outside Bangladesh.
However its true many Bengalis also fought against pak troops.

I think they are not anti Pakistanis actually, but may be they exaggerate some facts.

Another important thing: do not think a Bangladeshi as anti-Pakistani merely just if you see him to criticize your drawbacks. Many facts are more obvious from the other side that may be you can not understand. Besides, many Bangladeshis are misinformed overmuch by some media. So it is difficult to blame them.

[video]http://youtu.be/GPqLnZgsGAg[/video]

But issuing visas, open borders (1 of al zaikr’s old statements) or a reunion with Bangladesh (some Pakistanis) I think is absolutely ludicrous to think otherwise.

Visa free concept was mainly for the students, travelers and professionals for certain periods, to know each other batter and to remove misconceptions. Nothing else.
 
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[video]http://youtu.be/GPqLnZgsGAg[/video]

Your statement is only half correct…

Actually more than half of Pakistani soldiers doing operations in east p at the time were Bengali!! as matter of fact they were the frontline troops fighting against mukti bhaini!!! In simplest terms they are referred to as razakars locals or Bengalis who sided with pak forces.

Yes I know many Bangladeshis especially anti pak ones; integra, lajadni ,eastwatch, zabanya,Sami like to exaggerate facts by implying that all troops in 71 were from outside Bangladesh.
However its true many Bengalis also fought against pak troops.

It is a rather interesting phenomenon that you Indians now seem to regret hyping up the hate and brainwashing resulting in breakup of east p. After all it was you who armed the mukti bhini and gave them external support by launching war on pak. At the time you were more than happy to help out your Bengali friends in need, I wonder why???????

1 thing many Pakistanis (I myself) and maybe Bangladeshis have learned is that no matter what India cannot be trusted!!!!!To me 71 incident was a civil war until the involvement of India and defeat of troops in east p.

Like I said before It was inevitable sooner or later it would have happened!!!! But I’m glad it happened because it opened up the senses to Bangladeshis to determine their own future and know their friends and foes.

That does not mean that the Pakistani state should not be cautious, in choosing its friends and allies. If Bangladesh wants friendship, cooperation then pak should extend its hand and work together as independent nations.. Hopefully there will be friendship in future between us two nations

But issuing visas, open borders (1 of al zaikr’s old statements) or a reunion with Bangladesh (some Pakistanis) I think is absolutely ludicrous to think otherwise.

Power hungry politicians from both sides preyed on the common man’s misconceptions and hijacked the agenda of unity and self-determination.

I mean isn’t it IRONIC that today in both pak ( PPP party) and Bangladesh (AL party) the very same people are in power who misled the people and disintegrated Pakistan in 1971 are looting, corrupting , plundering and destroying our nations.

Is this what the common man fought for???? To see the very same thieves, looters, bullies sit on the thrones and enjoy plundering the nations while thousands of poor people in both countries starve and look on?????

It’s a long way off 1971 but we still our tied to each other through religion, brother hood, culture and language. Ask any Bangladeshi or Pakistani and they will find more common ground between us then differences.

At the moment both our countries are stuck with different influences and until such governments come that meet, both the peoples grievances then there will always be differences among us.

I think you have not read the thread on Op Searchlight.

It shows that EPR alone took on the Pakistan Army and defeated it.

The EPR were not taken as Razakars, it was the Biharis and the fundamentalists who were the Razakaar

Just to refresh your memory as to who were the Razakars:


It was a paramilitary force that had the fundamentalists amongst Bengalis and the Urdu speaking i.e. Biharis who were mustered after the Pakistan Army crackdown and given a legal sheen through the East Pakistan Razakar Ordinance and a Ministry of Defence ordinance. They were taken to be a part of the Pakistan Army and they let loose mayhem and various atrocities.

Personally, I find there is nothing for India to regret about Bangladesh coming into being. One cannot expect a nation to be beholden in perpetuity. I have said it before. Bangladesh has its own vision, its own priorities and they need not coincide with India's. Nothing unusual actually. Very natural.

As a newly born nation, it is natural that they have very high expectation. This is more so accentuated by the fact, that they forget that they came into being only in 1971. However, in their mindset, they assume that they were created in 1947, when India was partitioned. That is why they want to constantly compare themselves with either India or Pakistan! Naturally, the gap of achieving independence being large, they are well behind, but not as far as their perception goes. Hence, you observe the frustration here on this sub forum, where everything that happens in Bangaldesh, they project it as if something of a marvel has happened in Bangladesh. Theirfrustration is compounded by the fact that the Bangladeshi political scene is chaotic and direction-less and totally is negative to meet the aspiration of the common Bangladeshi. And so, even the landing of a minor Saudi Sheik makes some of them ecstatic, as if the World Bank, IMF all rolled in one has landed; and every cent of the world will be doled out to Bnagladesh gratis and soon Bangaldesh will be pushing the US and China into bankruptcy!! Or pasting a water tank and calling it a tank and expecting all to believe that it is a wonder of the world! These small things give them hope and to forget the stark and bleak reality.

I don't blame them for their euphoric delusions. All new nations grow through this phase. You can see the same with Chinese posters, eulogising their achievement after changing to capitalism, as if a new Great Wall Wonder is being created on a daily basis!

I presume same could be said of Indian posters too eulogising their achievements after liberalisation!

As far as Bangaldesh rejoining Pakistan, that is a moot point and too early in the day to even contemplate. The scars are too fresh on both sides. Pakistan is not even taking the Biharis back from Bangladesh as promised to the Biharis! Pakistan just cannot add to it bank of fundamentalists!

Why are you bringing in religion? It makes it very difficult for a non Muslim in a Pakistani forum to honestly discuss the same for obvious reasons.

If I may mention, the way you all thrust religion for everything is rather intriguing. You speak of common bonds uniting etc etc. You make religion the be all and end all of everything. Nothing wrong in that. It is laudable. But then, reality is something else. The TTP is massacring coreligionists, there is and was sectarian violence in Pakistan even before the TTP came into existence or even before 9/11, Balochistan is roughly being put in their place, Northern Area is out of bounds, NWFP is ablaze, there is the raging difference in interpreting the scriptures (each person, including the Mullahs assumes that he is the last word) including the thread on alcohol whether is it haram or hallal and so on. If indeed religion was so paramount and without differences in interpretation, then there would be no dissension and it would be a perfect society. And yet, it isn't!! Bangladesh would not have come into being and neither would the chaos that Pakistan is in! And yet, you talk of religion being the common bond and the common denominator. Facts on the ground does not appear to substantiate the claim. I think it is time for all to understand the temporal issues being a class by itself and separate it from the spiritual. If one has to progress, one cannot base it on fond delusions.

As I see it, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh have their own destiny and their own aspirations and let each find its own path!
 
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Yes, China is just like Bangladesh, a very poor country with a rubbish political system, so they get very excited when normal things happen. Not like India, the very mature Democracy, which is better than China, and so do not celebrate when a positive development occurs in their country. This only proves how superior India is compared to China.
 
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Yes, China is just like Bangladesh, a very poor country with a rubbish political system, so they get very excited when normal things happen. Not like India, the very mature Democracy, which is better than China, and so do not celebrate when a positive development occurs in their country. This only proves how superior India is compared to China.

How very astute of you to realise that of China.

That apart anything intelligently constructive to contribute, my Lonelyone?

Conveniently skipped my comment on the Indians?

Did not quite fit into your agenda, right?
 
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I think they are not anti Pakistanis actually, but may be they exaggerate some facts.

Another important thing: do not think a Bangladeshi as anti-Pakistani merely just if you see him to criticize your drawbacks. Many facts are more obvious from the other side that may be you can not understand. Besides, many Bangladeshis are misinformed overmuch by some media. So it is difficult to blame them.

Visa free concept was mainly for the students, travelers and professionals for certain periods, to know each other batter and to remove misconceptions. Nothing else.

As mentioned before I had been an observer for 3 years at least and often frequented this subforum… Posts by lajadni and east watch were and are often offensive and insulting!!!
I know there are some Pakistanis who instigate conflict in some areas, but the best thing to do is ignore them or call for mods. However lajadni, east watch and recently mujib don’t get satisfaction until they bring Pakistan in to their arguments and start talking trash!!!!

I never had drawbacks from these people because I don’t wish to discuss anything with them!!! But from what I seen as an observer they are very confused chaps who don’t know reality…..

Lol I kno what al zaikr said... He clearly stated there should be pak citizenship for illegal Bangladeshis (in Karachi) including some biharis.. search his statement on ban-pak def relations
As you kno there are close to 3 million unregistered Bangladeshis in pak not including biharis. That’s 1 reason we cant take back all biharis and also at moment pak is suffering from a lot of problems and already with a growing population it can’t help out these people.

Hopefully the governments can sort out these kinds of issues (is what I meant by working together), I don’t mind visas for students or professionals etc but whatever Improvements we may have,
the level of trust will not be the same as before 1971……



I think you have not read the thread on Op Searchlight.

It shows that EPR alone took on the Pakistan Army and defeated it.

The EPR were not taken as Razakars, it was the Biharis and the fundamentalists who were the Razakaar

Just to refresh your memory as to who were the Razakars:


It was a paramilitary force that had the fundamentalists amongst Bengalis and the Urdu speaking i.e. They were taken to be a part of the Pakistan Army and they let loose mayhem and various atrocities.

I don't blame them for their euphoric delusions. All new nations grow through this phase. You can see the same with Chinese posters, eulogising their achievement after changing to capitalism, as if a new Great Wall Wonder is being created on a daily basis!

I presume same could be said of Indian posters too eulogising their achievements after liberalisation!

As far as Bangaldesh rejoining Pakistan

Why are you bringing in religion? It makes it very difficult for a non Muslim in a Pakistani forum to honestly discuss the same for obvious reasons.

If I may mention, the way you all thrust religion for everything is rather intriguing. You speak of common bonds uniting etc etc.

I did read it , most of it is wiki trash… that article is a sensitive subject and so mind of caution is advised but am not denying it happened.
I didn’t go in to specifics but that’s what I meant by the paramilitaries as frontline troops against mukti bahini. Most of the crimes committed were by paramilitaries and most of them were locally recruited or Biharis. Hence the video I referenced …

It’s just the over exaggeration by some Bangladeshis to put blame entirely on non-Bengali pak forces. Some people just can’t stomach the idea that 1 of their own helped the “enemy”….

And you said “where were they when required by pak , they were saving their own bacon”! That statement is absolutely wrong because Bengalis fought with us and against us in 71!!!!!!

You Indians are not angels either!!!! After all when time suits you; your happy to break pak!!i I never said pak should join with ban but to only work together!!!!

I meant RELIGION AS COMMON BOND BECAUSE IT IS A COMMON BOND . I DIDNT SAY ITS PERFECT BUT IS A REALITY ***** .In uk I know many bengalidishis we go to mosque together, eat in pak/Bengali restaurants go to each other’s places etc

Some of them are still stuck in 1971 but most are friendly. i.e. 1 time an ex Bengali friend of mine (we moved places) were cycling and I was thirsty /tired so I asked for a glass of water. And asked if I could help my self with the water from the kitchen but he gave me 7up an said my grandfather arrived today and he doesn’t like Pakistanis so I said fair enough and we went back playing.

Other than that we both used to go to each other’s places with no restrictions where we went….
 
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I would not go too far into friendship with those who pretend to be pro Pakistanis.

Where were they when the chips were down?

They are all opportunists.

They find themselves isolated and they pretend love for Pakistan.

Then they will be the ones who will backstab.

It is better to have people who are straight. At least, you know where they stand.

I would like to believe in the adage - Once bitten, twice shy!

You have Bangladeshi friends, I have Bangladeshi students and they are all great chaps!

Most Bangladeshis know what is good for them. I am all for Bangladesh doing well. History is the past. Future is what beckons.

Do not go by this whimpering and some kowtowing about religious affinity that you see out here to think they are the true representatives of Bangladesh.

At least the Bangladeshi I know and have met, even in Bangladesh itself, are quite confident of themselves and do not whine or whimper as you see out here.

That is why I find it very amusing when I see these good fellows!!

:rofl:

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