Tempest | the UK's Next Generation Fighter | Updates & Discussions

[Gomig-21]

nice video on some thoughts from Binkov.

Scary. Everyone and their mothers trying to get in on the stealth fighter phenomenon. Add to that all the inter-cooperations required to maintain the strength of the combined west vs the outcast member states isolates them and pushes them even further away, forcing them to create their own partnerships to make an effort to protect themselves. It's out of control.

And the money involved in these projects is incomprehensible to us regular mutts. Projecting the cost of the GCAP now involving the Japanese, Italians and of course the UK shows how really difficult and costly such programs are that there's a strong possibility of canning the Tempest. Foreseeing the possible cost of platform the platform at around $200+ million a piece tells the whole story. Hard to believe having to replace the F-15s and EFTs at this stage of the game. Engines, airframes, AI, avionics, weapons, counter-weapons etc. just a mumbalumgum of a mess. Just like anything else, you need money to make money.

Meanwhile, maybe China did the right thing on its own and is sitting pretty.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Scary. Everyone and their mothers trying to get in on the stealth fighter phenomenon. Add to that all the inter-cooperations required to maintain the strength of the combined west vs the outcast member states isolates them and pushes them even further away, forcing them to create their own partnerships to make an effort to protect themselves. It's out of control.

And the money involved in these projects is incomprehensible to us regular mutts. Projecting the cost of the GCAP now involving the Japanese, Italians and of course the UK shows how really difficult and costly such programs are that there's a strong possibility of canning the Tempest. Foreseeing the possible cost of platform the platform at around $200+ million a piece tells the whole story. Hard to believe having to replace the F-15s and EFTs at this stage of the game. Engines, airframes, AI, avionics, weapons, counter-weapons etc. just a mumbalumgum of a mess. Just like anything else, you need money to make money.

Meanwhile, maybe China did the right thing on its own and is sitting pretty.

Both the UK and Japan need the Tempest for their own industria reasons. The Tempest will train the next generation of engineers that will underpin UK aerospace industry. The cost is no different to any other programme cost and I personally think that the FCAS is more likely to be cancelled than the GCAP as Germany is not the best industrial partner.

Given that we are only 4 years away from - i think the hard part of the airframe is now done and we are left with the engineering of the engines, and of course the system of systems.

Both the UK and Japan will rely on the USA for the armed wingman/drones etc - so there will be alot of collaboration with the USA on some items, but the core platform will be owned by the UK and Japan/Italy.

 

[Ali_Baba]

France about to do the dirty on Germany and Spain over the FCAS programme and go-it-alone

Signs Point to Germany and Airbus Being Eased Out of SCAF

LONDON --- Defence Analysis reported from Le Bourget about how France has been launching new initiatives around air systems which replicate ones which,...

www.defense-aerospace.com

 

[HerbertPervert]

UK needs to worry more about immigration from Africa, the crime culture it brings, and the decrease in indigenous whites. In a decade or two, they may not even have enough engineers anymore to design aircraft, but even more machete-waving criminals roaming the streets than they have now.

 

[Ali_Baba]

UK needs to worry more about immigration from Africa, the crime culture it brings, and the decrease in indigenous whites. In a decade or two, they may not even have enough engineers anymore to design aircraft, but even more machete-waving criminals roaming the streets than they have now.

America needs to worry more about the mexican drug cartels and mexican immigration - and the decrease in occupier whites. In a decade or two, they may not even have enough engineers anymore to design aircraft, but even more machine gun-waving criminals roaming the streets than they have now.

 

[HerbertPervert]

America needs to worry more about the mexican drug cartels and mexican immigration - and the decrease in occupier whites. In a decade or two, they may not even have enough engineers anymore to design aircraft, but even more machine gun-waving criminals roaming the streets than they have now.

You are right. We are worried. That's why you see more talk of immigration even in the Democrat party. It's become too big to ignore. Luckily, we have a larger white population than UK, especially in the Bible Belt area.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Italy, UK And Japan Sign GCAP Collaboration Agreement​

Italy, UK And Japan Sign GCAP Collaboration Agreement

The agreement defines the next steps of the work needed to deliver the concept phase requirements of the next generation combat aircraft. Leonardo, BAE

theaviationist.com

 

[Gomig-21]

^^ Looks really good from that top view. Looking forward to learning all the latest technical details that'll be going into that thing.

The majority of these new designs are foregoing the need for horizontal stabilizers and we probably won't be seeing any more canards, either.

The use of loyal wingmen, advanced surface composites, lasers, AI and manned & unmanned versions seem to be the leading aspects of these next generation platforms.

 

[Ali_Baba]

^^ Looks really good from that top view. Looking forward to learning all the latest technical details that'll be going into that thing.

The majority of these new designs are foregoing the need for horizontal stabilizers and we probably won't be seeing any more canards, either.

The use of loyal wingmen, advanced surface composites, lasers, AI and manned & unmanned versions seem to be the leading aspects of these next generation platforms.

if it looks right - it will fly right and tempest looks right. UK has designed some very pretty planes in the past - happy that we back to doing it again now.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Japan's new jet fighter alliance pushes limits of defense policy​

Japan's new jet fighter alliance pushes limits of defense policy

Collaboration with U.K. and Italy forces Tokyo to reconsider constitutional restrictions on arms exports

asia.nikkei.com

HQ for multilateral jet fighter project to be placed in U.K.​

HQ for multilateral jet fighter project to be placed in U.K.

Japan and Britain will dominate design and manufacturing on the project.

www.japantimes.co.jp

>> interesting articles - both worth reading.

 

[Ali_Baba]

UK Tempest Flying Technology Demonstrator Program: Stealthy in Shape and Execution​

UK's Tempest Flying Technology Demonstrator Program: Stealthy in Shape and Execution

LONDON --- Suddenly, we’ve seen what has been regarded as the runt fighter programme go from less than zero to closer to hero. Defence Analysis cannot...

www.defense-aerospace.com

Will harmony continue as GCAP fighter partners discuss workshare terms?

A 'spirit of equal partnership' and harmonious relations between Italy, Japan and the UK have given their GCAP fighter effort a smooth start - but can that continue as all-important workshare discussions advance?

www.flightglobal.com