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Tejas LCA sprints towards IAF's frontline squadron

Wow,
Congratulate to all Indian members, for this fighter just seems incredible.
But nothing less was expected from determined souls toward self confidence & reliance.
 
The workload of LCA and JF 17 will be very different, since both air forces are very different. JF 17 brings total operational freedom to PAF, with roles and capabilities that the F16s couldn't offer. LCA on the other side will come at the low end of a force with MKIs and Rafales on the high end, which will take over all main roles in A2A AND A2G. That doesn't leave much for other fighters, except of air policing roles, or CAS and even here, there will be upgraded M2Ks and Mig 29s in competition to the LCA, not to mention that drones will get more and more importance and the delays of LCA will make it arrive nearly when these are available too. Recon and light CAS roles will be gone for fighters like LCA.

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If the indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) has taken decades for completion, it is now in a record-breaking sprint to the finish line. The Tejas has flown an unprecedented 450 test flights this year towards a splashy ceremony in Bengaluru on Dec 20, where Defence Minister AK Antony will preside over its induction into the Indian Air Force (IAF).

That landmark event will be the award of the Tejas’ Initial Operational Certificate (IOC), which will allow India’s first indigenous modern fighter to be flown by regular pilots of the Indian Air Force (IAF). The first Tejas squadron (18-20 fighters) will be based at Sulur, near Coimbatore.

So far, only highly qualified test pilots of the National Flight Testing Centre (NFTC) in Bengaluru have flown the Tejas. In 2400 test flights since it took to the air in 2001, the NFTC has incrementally flown the Tejas higher, faster and carried out increasingly difficult manoeuvres and weapon firings to test that it meets the IAF’s requirements.

On Saturday, Group Captain Suneet Krishna, a veteran NFTC test pilot, fired an air-to-air missile from the Tejas at an airborne target off the Goa coast, striking the target and taking the Tejas a step closer towards IOC.

While awarding the IOC, Defence Minister AK Antony will ceremonially hand over to the IAF boss, Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne, the fighter’s “Release to Service Document (RSD)”, which specifies the capabilities that the Tejas has already demonstrated during flight testing.

This includes aerodynamic capabilities like speed, acceleration, climb rate and angle of attack; and also the basic weapons operations already tested on the Tejas, and the fighter’s proven radar and sensor capabilities.

The Tejas flight-testing programme has been a prolonged and painstaking exercise, since this is India’s first modern fighter. The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) --- a special purpose vehicle of the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO), set up to manage the Tejas programme --- worried that a crash during flight-testing might be a fatal blow to the project itself, and so has handled flight testing cautiously, taking twice the time that experienced countries do.

Once the IOC is awarded, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) will build the IAF’s first 20 Tejas fighters on a brand new production line in Bangalore. HAL has told Business Standard that it aims to roll out the first two fighters by March 2014, deliver 8 fighters by end-2014, and then enhance the production line’s capability to 16 fighters per year.

So far, the IAF has committed to just 40 Tejas fighters. Of these 20 will be built to IOC standards, and the next 20 ordered when Final Operation Clearance (FOC) is obtained. The defence minister has ordered the DRDO to ensure that FOC is not delayed beyond end-2014.

Dr Avinash Chander, the DRDO chief, tells Business Standard that the FOC will involve firing a range of different weapons, including missiles and bombs, and testing the fighter for mid-air refuelling.

“With the IAF now enthused about the Tejas, and participating actively in the project, we will surely obtain FOC next year. We could not have completed over 450 test flights this year without close cooperation between the IAF, ADA and HAL,” says Chander.

After obtaining FOC for the Tejas, ADA will start work on the Tejas Mark II. The key change is replacing the General Electric F-404 engine that powers the Mark I with the larger, more powerful GE F-414 engine. This will involve re-engineering the Mark I to fit in the bulkier F-414, a technological challenge for ADA.

ADA has also briefed Business Standard that the Tejas Mark II would have more fuel capacity for added range; a retractable mid-air refuelling system; a DRDO-built Airborne Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar; world beating air-to-air missiles; an on-board oxygen-generating system, and a state-of-the-art Electronic Warfare (EW) suite to confuse enemy radars and sensors.

Eventually, the IAF is very likely to have at least 200 Tejas fighters in its fleet,” says Chander.

Broadsword: Tejas fighter sprints towards IAF frontline squadron service
 
2013 has been a dream run for Indian defense forces


Yes Sir.

Many things are yet to come in last 20 days. Testing of Agni III, IOC 2 For Tejas, High altitude interceptor test etc.

Do anybody think LCA MK2 can take on J10b?

Anyway, LCA is much better than Mig-21 for sure.


There was a thread on PDF on Tejas Vs J 10.
 
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General characteristics OF SU-30MKI

Performance

  • Maximum speed: Mach 2.35[85] (2,500 km/h or 1,550 mph[85]) at altitude; 1,350 km/h, 839 mph near ground level[82]
  • Range: 3,000 km (1,620 nmi)at altitude; (1,270 km, 690 nmi near ground level; with no external fuel tanks)
  • Endurance: 3.75 hrs (up to 10 hrs with in-flight refueling)
  • Service ceiling: 17,300 m (56,800 ft)
  • Rate of climb: >300 m/s (>45,275 ft/min)
  • Wing loading: 401 kg/m² (82.3 lb/ft²)
  • Thrust/weight: 1.00 (loaded weight with 56% internal fuel)
Armament

  • Guns: 1 × GSh-30-1 gun (30 mm caliber, 150 rounds)
12 hardpoints: 2 × wing-tip AAM launch rails, 6 × pylons under-wing, 2 × pylon under-engine nacelle, and 2 × pylons in tandem in the "arch" between the engines. It can be increased to 14 using multiple ejector racks. It can carry up to 8 tonnes of external stores.

Air-to-air Missiles:

  • 10 × R-77 (AA-12) active radar homing medium range AAM, 100 km
  • 10 × Astra missile active radar homing medium range AAM, 80–110 km
  • 6 × R-27ER (AA-10C) semi-active radar guided, long range AAM 130 km
  • 6 × R-27ET (AA-10D) Infrared homing extended range version, long range AAM 120 km
  • 2 × R-27R (AA-10A) semi-active radar guided, medium range AAM, 80 km
  • 2 × R-27T (AA-10B) infrared homing seeker, medium range AAM, 70 km
  • 6 × R-73 (AA-11) short range AAM, 30 km
  • 3 × Novator KS-172 AAM-L 400 km, Indian/Russian air-to-air missile designed as an "AWACS killer"
Air-to-surface Missiles:

Bombs:


General characteristics OF RAFALE

  • Crew: 1–2
  • Length: 15.27 m (50.1 ft)
  • Wingspan: 10.80 m (35.4 ft)
  • Height: 5.34 m (17.5 ft)
  • Wing area: 45.7 m² (492 ft²)
  • Empty weight:
    • C: 9,500 kilograms (20,900 lb)
    • B: 9,770 kilograms (21,540 lb)
    • M: 10,196 kilograms (22,480 lb[183])
  • Loaded weight: 14,016 kg (30,900 lb)
  • Max. takeoff weight: 24,500 kg (C/D), 22,200 kg (M) (54,000 lb)
  • Powerplant: 2 × Snecma M88-2 turbofans
    • Dry thrust: 50.04 kN (11,250 lbf) each
    • Thrust with afterburner: 75.62 kN (17,000 lbf) each
  • Fuel capacity: 4,700 kg (10,360 lb) internal
Performance

Armament

Avionics

General characteristics OF J-10B
Performance

Armament

Avionics


sorry for off topic.But i am not argue that j-10b is a bad aircraft.Actually it is a good aircraft.But rafale is battle proven and Su-30mki is almost equal to SU-35.Avionics in rafale and Su-30mki is world standard.Avionics in rafale,Su-30MKI is unbeatable so it has an advantage over J-10B.
In the case of LCA,we dont compare chinese aircraft industry and Indian aircraft industry.Chinese has much mature industry than ours.But LCA give us basic foundation for our aviation industry.It is not equal to j-10 but better than jf-17.Value of knowledge give us by LCA for industry is immeasurable.LCA MK-2 can better only through MK-1


Excellent.

Now Pl provide Tejas' specification also. If possible pl provide the specifications of Gripen C/D.

Agni V test in this december,is it correct?


No Agni III test is in December.
 
Engine size dictates a plane's size, since a plane is built around the engine. JF-17 is MiG-21 size. J-10B is F-16 size. They are not of the same size class and their roles do not overlap. J-10B and JF-17 form a high / low mix.


Both statements are wrong, since a fighter can have 2 small engines and still compete with heavy class fighters, or as we have seen in the MMRCA can be single engined (Gripen NG, F16IN) and competed with heavier and bigger twin engine fighters. However, not the size is important, but the capability and here JF 17 will carry the same ammount of AAMs like a bigger JF 10B carriers, just like it carries the same ammount of anti ship, anti radiation, or cruise missiles, simply because both have the same number of wing and heavy stations.

Do anybody think LCA MK2 can take on J10b?

Why shouldn't it? J10B is a 4.5th gen fighter like the MK2 is expected to be as well and it's capabilities are not surprising or that advanced that there would be a clear capability gaps in A2A.

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Not sure what your point is mate, since the article has nothing to do with JF 17 nor with PAF, therefor doesn't fit to the quoted part of my post.
 
Excellent.

Now Pl provide Tejas' specification also. If possible pl provide the specifications of Gripen C/D.




No Agni III test is in December.

General characteristics of LCA TEJAS

  • Crew: 1
  • Length: 13.20 m (43 ft 4 in)
  • Wingspan: 8.20 m (26 ft 11 in)
  • Height: 4.40 m (14 ft 9 in)
  • Wing area: 38.4 m² (413 ft²)
  • Empty weight: 6,500 kg (14,300 lb)
  • Loaded weight: 9,500 kg (20,944 lb)
  • Max. takeoff weight: 13,300 kg (29,100 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × F404-GE-IN20 turbofan
  • Internal fuel capacity: 2,458 kg
  • External fuel capacity: 2 x 1,200 litre drop tank at inboard, 1 x 725-litre drop tank under fuselage
Performance

Armament

  • Guns: 1× mounted 23 mm twin-barrel GSh-23 cannon with 220 rounds of ammunition.
  • Hardpoints: 8 total: 1× beneath the port-side intake trunk for targeting pods, 6× under-wing, and 1× under-fuselage with a capacity of 4,000 kg external fuel and ordnance
  • Missiles:


HAL Tejas carrying R-73 missile and Drop Tank.


Tejas weapon display Aero India 2011


General characteristics of GRIPEN C/D

Performance

Armament

 
General characteristics of LCA TEJAS

  • Crew: 1
  • Length: 13.20 m (43 ft 4 in)
  • Wingspan: 8.20 m (26 ft 11 in)
  • Height: 4.40 m (14 ft 9 in)
  • Wing area: 38.4 m² (413 ft²)
  • Empty weight: 6,500 kg (14,300 lb)
  • Loaded weight: 9,500 kg (20,944 lb)
  • Max. takeoff weight: 13,300 kg (29,100 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × F404-GE-IN20 turbofan
  • Internal fuel capacity: 2,458 kg
  • External fuel capacity: 2 x 1,200 litre drop tank at inboard, 1 x 725-litre drop tank under fuselage
Performance

Armament

  • Guns: 1× mounted 23 mm twin-barrel GSh-23 cannon with 220 rounds of ammunition.
  • Hardpoints: 8 total: 1× beneath the port-side intake trunk for targeting pods, 6× under-wing, and 1× under-fuselage with a capacity of 4,000 kg external fuel and ordnance
  • Missiles:


HAL Tejas carrying R-73 missile and Drop Tank.


Tejas weapon display Aero India 2011


General characteristics of GRIPEN C/D

Performance

Armament


See 6500 KG weight figure is very old I Gauze. I think it is the figure of some PV 2 etc. Weight has reduced substantially since than.

T/W ratio of tejas batter than Gripen. I do not know why they reduced G limit to 8 from 9?
 
Somehow, I feel that the most important role of LCA is parades. Its to impress the India populace to show that India finally can build its own fighter jet.
I have been following many of your posts..I couldn't see one prompt response or even on the topic discussion from you..
If bashing India and Indian products is your sole intention, then there are many threads running which are separately dedicated for bashing india..Y don't you join any one of them and do you duty there..This thread is to discuss about the growth of LCA and its progresses..
This is a very rational and respectful warning to stay out of it..
 
If we would focus on rational thinking and results, instead of indigenous pride, this would be the best and easiest option:.....................

But as long as we insist on indigenous systems for indigenous fighters, LCA will keep delaying and the hope for a useful AMCA remains to be low!

What should be the Inventory We shall have 270 Su-30mki (super sukhoi), then 126+ Rafale, 200 LCA, 200(estimated) FGFA
so over all 270 su30mki + 200 FGFA/pakfa = 470
Rafale = 126
LCA = 200
Total - 796--------- so Near 800/20 = 40 squardon
I think we need better IRST like DAS of F-35 including AESA Radar at all side in FGFA, so both Radar and Infrared visibility will be possible, more over what shall be the Air superiority fighter, Do We need some Air Superiority Fighter able to deal with Next gen fighters of the enemy? Su-30mki is good but as it has large RCS is it possible to use composites like su-35s by which some RCS reduction is possible, and hope that will be used in the Ground penetrater, like Jags, We need to change whole fleet of Mig-27, jaguars, and Mig-21 which are totally (mig-21= 254, mig-27= 79, jags=148; So totally = 481). So what will be the Air superiority fighter for next? and which plane is better in maneuvers, su-30 or mig-29? whether need to add composites in su-30mki for making it super sukhois like su-35s? whether Tejas (LCA) would be survive and capable for next gen war? What shall be role of which future fighter? Does AMCA need after the Rafale, or Can we use Spectra and high grade Avionics of Rafale in AMCA with eurojet 3d vector engines, to make it early useful?

thats it. :)
 

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