Tejas, a poor performer?

[Water Car Engineer]

What's this?

There were several successor models pitched to GOI by HAL after Marut, none of chosen, and went with MIG 21.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fighter-jet-proposals-after-hal-marut-before-hal-tejas.293471/

Whatever the case, successor programs cant be dropped, even if the initial wasnt a complete success.

 

[PakSword]

There were several successor models pitched to GOI by HAL after Marut, none of chosen, and went with MIG 21.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fighter-jet-proposals-after-hal-marut-before-hal-tejas.293471/

Whatever the case, successor programs cant be dropped, even if the initial wasnt a complete success.

Seems predecessor was a good project.. Why was it dropped?

 

[Daghalodi]

What's this?

Looks like another gimmick by HAL to mint more money!!!

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Seems predecessor was a good project.. Why was it dropped?

Well, there were several pitches, different designs. GOI didnt care to support a program after Marut, which was a horrible decision, but I guess lack of funds, willingness from user, etc. By the time ADA was to be made, most of what Marut program gain had to be regained, scavenged, etc.

Looks like another gimmick by HAL to mint more money!!!

What money?? They are the soul producer regardless. If it be MIG21 or not. That's how India's defence and other industry was made to be. Up and till recently with the liberalization of the defence industry with private sector jumping in.

 

[PakSword]

Well, there were several pitches, different designs. GOI didnt care to support a program after Marut, which was a horrible decision, but I guess lack of funds, willingness from user, etc. By the time ADA was to be made, most of what Marut program gain had to be regained, scavenged, etc.

How mature was the project when it was abandoned? It seems to be a really poor decision..

 

[Daghalodi]

Well, there were several pitches, different designs. GOI didnt care to support a program after Marut, which was a horrible decision, but I guess lack of funds, willingness from user, etc. By the time ADA was to be made, most of what Marut program gain had to be regained, scavenged, etc.




What money?? They are the soul producer regardless. If it be MIG21 or not. That's how India's defence and other industry was made to be. Up and till recently with the liberalization of the defence industry with private sector jumping in.

Soul producer?? Please dont tell me tejas is an indigenous made in india product!!

 

[Water Car Engineer]

How mature was the project when it was abandoned? It seems to be a really poor decision..

Several designs were frozen, completely new designs to modified Maruts were pitched, no funds for prototyping. Contract to produce MIG21s was signed.

Soul producer?? Please dont tell me tejas is an indigenous made in india product!!

 

[Daghalodi]

Several designs were frozen, completely new designs to modified Maruts were pitched, no funds for prototyping. Contract to produce MIG21s was signed.

Okay we have a representative of HAL here. He/She knows every move and plan HAL makes or is about to make!!!

Indians

 

[madooxno9]

Its the most fucke* up thing that happened to IAF and Indian Tax payers. God bless IAF

 

[ADIL SHERDIL]

@KapitaanAli how could you say Mk1A is better what's the logic behind it.
Jf17 is operational with couple of squadrons and Tejas hasn't shown growth with all the resources at their disposal.

 

[KapitaanAli]

@KapitaanAli how could you say Mk1A is better what's the logic behind it.
Jf17 is operational with couple of squadrons and Tejas hasn't shown growth with all the resources at their disposal.

When did I say Mk1A is better!
I said Mk1A and Block3 are similar in capabilities. But both are paper planes as of now, so it's obviously a generic assessment by comparing the specs on paper.
We'll have to wait and see if Mk1A's better construction and western/Indian/Israeli components will make it better than Block3. I could argue it does, but I don't like to be premature. So I made no such argument.

Tejas' time has just begun after the specs were radically changed after the 2001 first flight to make it a multi-role fighter, albeit a tiny one. Induction has begun and IAF has dedicated some of the best pilots to the first squadron.
The aircraft has overcome most efforts to kill it off. 83 Mk1A are on order and that will be the answer to your doubt on growth.

 

[hussain0216]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...m_medium=Organic&utm_campaign=Related_Stories
Tejas, a poor performer?

tnn | Updated: Feb 6, 2018, 11:56 IST

Out of the 83 aircraft ordered by the IAF, it has just received six so far.
JODHPUR: The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas is in news again as the United States’ Air Force chief General David L Goldfein flew a sortie from Jodhpur Air Force base on Saturday. Goldfein’s French counterpart General Andre Lanata would do the same soon. But it is the LCA, from Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), that has been keeping the IAF hanging in balance since 1983 on its order of 83 such aircraft.
Out of the 83 aircraft ordered by the IAF, it has just received six so far. The delay has been conveyed to the ministry of defence by the IAF and both the previous air chiefs had expressed concerns over the same. More so, the mere six Tejas—yet to be declared ‘combat ready’—are part of the initial contract for 40 aircraft given by IAF in 2005. For inducting the entire fleet of 83 aircraft, IAF has to wait for one more decade.

This at a time when the IAF has already been pleading before the government that the number of its fighter squadrons will fall to 31 by March-end compared to its sanctioned strength of 42 required in case of simultaneous aggression from Pakistan and China.

But as the IAF struggles to replace its dwindling fighter squadrons and obsolete fighter fleet, it is not just the issue of delivery of these aircraft but also their performance that are bothering the air force.

Speaking about the design pitfalls, a senior IAF official closely associated with the testing of Tejas prototypes said that the aircraft fell well short of its design performance goals set in 1982

“A cursory glance of capabilities shows that Tejas is extremely handicapped when it comes to the crucial criterion of the ‘ability to turn’, or change direction rapidly so as to throw off an attacker or turn to face him. On this feature, Tejas is only as capable as a MiG 21 of 1957 vintage. Even the IAF’s Mirage 2000 is better than this,” the official said.




“Further, the agility of Tejas, i.e. the time taken to achieve a given rate of turn or pitch, is also limited by its ‘fly by wire’ control laws which are yet to prove departure protection. No amount of pilot skills will be able to overcome the LCA’s limitations including those on spin tests,” said the official, adding that Tejas might have to run for its own survival when engaged in a combat with PAF’s F-16 and People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF)'s J-10, J-11, J-16 and J-20. HAL officials could not be contacted for comments.


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This is fake news by sold out media person. The current LCAs are IOC standard & will be opened up further as they mature. Shame on reporter for planting the ill informed & ill judged faaartikle.Direct DD
Officials closely associated with assessing Tejas said that the LCA’s ability to strike targets afar was also a matter of concern when compared to other contemporary single-engine fighters. And to worsen matters, Tejas comes with a high maintenance cost. IAF has already conveyed it to the MoD that Tejas can be just one component in a healthy mix of LCA and other high-performance fighters in IAF.




Amidst these questionable and depressing achievements, eyeing foreign markets for export of the aircraft also becomesproblematic.

 

[Fledgingwings]

Performance can only be evaluated in Battlefield which Tejas for now lacks.

 

[My-Analogous]

Look at that. Someone's expecting LCA to have Rafale/Typhoon performance when IAF is only expecting it to have F-16/M-2000 level performance.

And yet still failed to be that level

 

[randomradio]

And yet still failed to be that level

It's already achieved that level. Only some non-performance related tests are pending before full certification.