Tears and uncertainty as Turkish staff pack up to leave

[-SINAN-]

No need to get sentimental.
Pakistani children will suffer because of this stupid decision. That's only what I care about.

Bro, i'm not being sentimental at all.

You described Gülenists as a political movement....which shows your knowledge about the issue.

Pakistani children would be better without these brainwashing religious cult.

What is the deal with this Gulen? What is his ideology I mean what he wants?

Answer to this question would be very complex.

Conquering countries by infiltrating all of the state apparatus and get to the power. (They waited for 40 years to do that in Turkey.). Their ultimate goal is world dominance.

 

[OguzSenturk]

If we arrest those teacher 5 years later, it will be much much worse for those children.

Much early, much better. They need real "teachers", not CIA controlled brainwashing team that turns children into Fethullah's soldiers (Feto said that himself)

 

[Well.wisher]

Today I went to a good bye function arranged by pakturk teachers , they were really sad leaving this school .
Some pakistanis parents and turkish teachers cried while saying a goodbye .

It just shows that kindness can play a major role in daily life .
That was only kindness of the Turkish teachers that forced students yo protest .

 

[DemirkanTR]

If Turkish - Pakistani relations will suffer because of a bunch of gulenist teacher got kicked, let it be!

Seems that Pakistani brothers can't understand how vital problem is this motherfuckers' organization for Turkey! There are two options, either you are less-informed about topic or you are enemy of Turkey, there is no other option!

"But, I know them personally, they are very nice people and they do only their job"

Yeah, we used to say these words too, as one by one they are not dangerous types but when they combine in a secret organization, they can be deadly dangerous as we have already seen in this July!

They must be destroyed, they will be destroyed, that's all!

As I said at the beginning if our relations will suffer, let it be!

 

[Well.wisher]

If Turkish - Pakistani relations will suffer because of a bunch of gulenist teacher got kicked, let it be!

Seems that Pakistani brothers can't understand how vital problem is this motherfuckers' organization for Turkey! There are two options, either you are less-informed about topic or you are enemy of Turkey, there is no other option!

"But, I know them personally, they are very nice people and they do only their job"

Yeah, we used to say these words too, as one by one they are not dangerous types but when they combine in a secret organization, they can be deadly dangerous as we have already seen in this July!

They must be destroyed, they will be destroyed, that's all!

As I said at the beginning if our relations will suffer, let it be!

What they've done in July ?

As parent of a young brother studying in pakturk, I like those teachers because they've helped my incapable and unable brother a lot .
There was a time when my brother didn't have any confidence and was unable to speak properly due to poor treatment of a local school , it was pakturk teachers effort that raised his confidence and made him a very confident capable student .

We really care less about fatehullah, if he's a terrorist then we've no sympathy for him , I only knew that he's regarded as a terrorist by turkey when I had a talk with a turkish user here when president erdogan visited pakistan. I thought he was equally respected in Turkey too .

I , personally only care about these turkish teachers that they will go to jail who served pakistan for 20 years .

Besides emotions, I still wait for the investigation's result .
I want to know how they've helped gullen in pakistan. I'll wait for investigation .

 

[Djinn]

I really dont get the emotional response from Pakistani's over this. If similar schools were being run in other countries by lets just say BLA or Taliban as Pakistan's representation, wouldn't we ask for their closure as well? Just portray someone as a victim and Pakistani's start pouring in sympathies irrespective of the facts. So yeah what if they are teachers, does that mean they are impervious to extremist ideologies? I bet Taliban have teachers too rather all extremists do, why dont Pakistani's show sympathies for them?

 

[DemirkanTR]

What they've done in July ?

As parent of a young brother studying in pakturk, I like those teachers because they've helped my incapable and unable brother a lot .
There was a time when my brother didn't have any confidence and was unable to speak properly due to poor treatment of a local school , it was pakturk teachers effort that raised his confidence and made him a very confident capable student .

We really care less about fatehullah, if he's a terrorist then we've no sympathy for him , I only knew that he's regarded as a terrorist by turkey when I had a talk with a turkish user here when president erdogan visited pakistan. I thought he was equally respected in Turkey too .

I , personally only care about these turkish teachers that they will go to jail who served pakistan for 20 years .

Besides emotions, I still wait for the investigation's result .
I want to know how they've helped gullen in pakistan. I'll wait for investigation .

They won't be jailed just because they were teachers in Gulenist schools, dont worry about that. It's just cheap propaganda they make people to feel sympathy for them.

Naturally Turkey wants to destroy all ways this satanic organization makes money and gather recruits. You are lucky that these schools are shut down. Otherwise you'd have a deep state problem in 15-20 years and risk to lose your country to cia backed organization.

 

[AnatolianEagle]

Its off topic but since its pakturk.

Whats the population of pakistan 200 mln. Why dont we import a couple of millions 3,4 to SE of Turkiye? They like Turkiye , Turks. We have the same religion. I think we can work finally in peace. If someone plays nasty on demographic field then you should counter the issue.

Kurds wanted to be democratic and separated then f off.

 

[Spring Onion]

Its off topic but since its pakturk.

Whats the population of pakistan 200 mln. Why dont we import a couple of millions 3,4 to SE of Turkiye? They like Turkiye , Turks. We have the same religion. I think we can work finally in peace. If someone plays nasty on demographic field then you should counter the issue.

Kurds wanted to be democratic and separated then f off.

NO NO not a good idea. I would say you cannot trust anyone just because they like you.

Many of them might end up trying to slip into Europe through Turkey.

All in all we can workout some work visas if the prospects are better in Turkey as compared to Pakistan.

 

[DemirkanTR]

Pakistan doesn't have allies. It has masters. master China orders something, it obliges. Master Turkey orders something, it obliges without any question. Such a desperation to have friends

Feel sorry for the Turkish teachers

If you like them so much, we can deport all of them to India Even you can make them your masters! Master Feto!

 

[Spring Onion]

If Turkish - Pakistani relations will suffer because of a bunch of gulenist teacher got kicked, let it be!

Seems that Pakistani brothers can't understand how vital problem is this motherfuckers' organization for Turkey! There are two options, either you are less-informed about topic or you are enemy of Turkey, there is no other option!

"But, I know them personally, they are very nice people and they do only their job"

Yeah, we used to say these words too, as one by one they are not dangerous types but when they combine in a secret organization, they can be deadly dangerous as we have already seen in this July!

They must be destroyed, they will be destroyed, that's all!

As I said at the beginning if our relations will suffer, let it be!

To be honest there are few Pakistanis who are protesting against it mainly people related to these schools.

And to be equally honest majority of us do not know about Gullen and his politics and anti-Turkey activities only few like us who are either on such discussion forums or in media know about these things casually or in-depth .

And trust me the saner voices in media did say that we cannot jeopardized our national interests for these teachers.

Pakistan doesn't have allies. It has masters. master China orders something, it obliges. Master Turkey orders something, it obliges without any question. Such a desperation to have friends

Feel sorry for the Turkish teachers

Please take them to India. Hopefully they would enjoy beef on Eid without being lynched.

 

[Spring Onion]

What is their crime? To come to Pakistan and teach our children? I don't know if you Turk brothers understand this but they have been here in Pakistan when we were facing the worst of everything.

Well if the point is loss of Turkish teachers then I am sure Turkish government can send some others selected by the very government who are not affiliated with FeTO

that does not answer the questions I put. They were not in India in the first place. Had they been, and if some random country would have asked us to deport them, we would not have. That is us with integrity. Something lacking in pakistan who have been ever eager to please other countries just to convince itself that it has masters oops i mean fraands.

Whether Indians like it or not sorry we cannot accommodate Gullen's anti-Turkey elements. Turkey is not a random country and we as a wise state cannot sacrifice our national interests for few teachers. Individuals are not indispensables.

You can be an emotional fool by declaring strategic relations as masters and so on emotionally charges titles.

If you like them so much, we can deport all of them to India Even you can make them your masters! Master Feto!

Indians may be left butt hurt viz a viz NSG and Turkish role in coming days so yeh may be they can take Gullen's employees

 

[Well.wisher]

If you like them so much, we can deport all of them to India Even you can make them your masters! Master Feto!

No this will be dangerous .
After one year we'll see another God of hindus . Hanuman fatehullah.
You know they worshiped trump too after his success .

 

[DemirkanTR]

Pakistanis are not our slaves and We are not their masters, we call it brotherhood.

But it's normal that you don't understand it, you don't know anything about it as you see any foreigner as a prey

 

[Spring Onion]

haha. Strategic decisions? You say pakistan has been taking strategic decisions but not those that are to please its masters? History tells otherwise

What role can Turkey play? They are soon becoming terrorist infested just like pakistan. I tell you with their dwindling economy and rise in terrorism, and no political stability, they would be insignificant in no time. Those wannabe Europeans are muslims after all. No matter how modern they become,their mindset will pull them back to square one. Well they can remain significant by becoming a headache of the world just like pakistan has managed to be.

Ahhh you Indians NVM. Let me post few points briefly.

Let us start from historical ties and role of Turkey

1.Pakistan and Turkey signed pacts in 1951 and 1954 ; the first one gave Pakistan a chance to start ties with US and hence have military assistance and cooperation while the 1954 pact helped Pakistan move towards a much stronger path which would be defined in the following lines.

2. The then Turkish PM Adnan Menderes mediated between Pakistan and Afghanistan when we were facing Afghan state terrorism.

3. In the 1960s Pakistan-US relations started to go on a rocky and shaky path while Turkey and NATO were faced with same over Cyprus, this was the time period when Pak-Turk pact led us to join hands with Iran and formed RCD towards a more independent security and political alliance.

4. In 1970s when Pakistan was facing Indian State Terrorism, it was Turkey that has lend us diplomatic as well as military support. Turkey did not recognized Bangladesh until Pakistan recognized it.


In the recent years say for example from 2000 on wards, Turkey played role in Pak-Afghan efforts for peace in the region.

There is cooperation in other areas for example


"On October 24, 2009, Ankara and Islamabad agreed that Turkish Aerospace Industries would undertake the modernization of F-16 fighter jets belonging to Pakistan. In addition, Turkey agreed to help Pakistan improve relations with Central Asian nations. During Gül’s visit to Islamabad in April 2010, it was agreed that Turkey would monitor the region more closely during its term presidency (2010-2012) of the Conference on Interaction and Confidence-Building Measures in Asia (CICA).Ankara also tried to facilitate the normalization of Islamabad’s relations with NATO, which had deteriorated due to drone attacks."


"In the seventh trilateral summit held on December 11-12, 2012 in Ankara, initiatives to enhance political, economic, and cultural affinity among the three countries were put in place, in addition to assurances of cooperation in the fight against terrorism. The countries also decided to extend the existing railway network in Turkey and Pakistan to Afghanistan and to develop links between their respective industries, such as telecommunications and energy".


These are few. I have not yet touched the role Turkey can play in reviving economy of Pakistan.

Hopefully you can avoid the trolling after this at least in this thread.